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Subject: How do you want to fix the BR?

Poll: How do you want to fix the BR?  [closed]
Make it single shot instead of 3-round burst:  35%
(16 Votes)
Decrease its accuracy:  4%
(2 Votes)
Decrease its damage:  7%
(3 Votes)
Get rid of it:  28%
(13 Votes)
Other (please explain):  26%
(12 Votes)
Total Votes: 46

We all know that the BR has been a topic of great debate, and people have made suggestions on how to balence it, or to just get rid of it. I am not a noob that can't use the BR, nor am I an MLG player that likes it way too much. But what is your opinion on how to balence the BR?

[Edited on 10.08.2009 6:58 AM PDT]

  • 10.08.2009 6:11 AM PDT

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Uhh... It doesn't need to be fixed. It's just fine in my hands 4-shotting you.

  • 10.08.2009 6:15 AM PDT

Posted by: harlowOO197
Uhh... It doesn't need to be fixed. It's just fine in my hands 4-shotting you.

  • 10.08.2009 6:16 AM PDT

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It isn't broken and it doesn't need fixing. If someone doesn't like it, they don't have to use it.

  • 10.08.2009 6:16 AM PDT

Posted by: ST ANGER UK
It isn't broken and it doesn't need fixing. If someone doesn't like it, they don't have to use it.


its not that i don't like it, its just that it is too powerful at close ranges to be a mid to long range weapon

[Edited on 10.08.2009 7:00 AM PDT]

  • 10.08.2009 6:18 AM PDT

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It's average at mid range and quite bad at long range. For mid range, it's quite a slow weapon, compared to the Assault Rifle. For long range, the spread, and only a single zoom, prevent it from becoming too powerful. It's the perfect all-rounder.

[EDIT] - I don't really want to be a part of yet another BR thread, so I'm done here. People should either use it or leave it, but whining does nothing for anybody.

[Edited on 10.08.2009 6:29 AM PDT]

  • 10.08.2009 6:25 AM PDT

When everybody spawns with it then you got nothing to complain about cuz you have the weapon too and if you dont then be smart and dont get yourself in a Br fight!

[Edited on 10.08.2009 6:29 AM PDT]

  • 10.08.2009 6:29 AM PDT

I'm talking about when not everyone has it

  • 10.08.2009 6:31 AM PDT

Then get one from where they spawn on the map and before you have done that dont get your self into a br fight!!

  • 10.08.2009 6:34 AM PDT

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The Battle Rifle does not need to be fixed. Just get over it the BR is perfect the way it is.

  • 10.08.2009 6:41 AM PDT

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dont fix it if it isnt broken. you could say "improve" or "modify" but fix isnt the right word

  • 10.08.2009 6:45 AM PDT

I think that the right word is probably balence

  • 10.08.2009 6:49 AM PDT

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It didn't exist until the very end of Reach, so rid us of it.

  • 10.08.2009 6:49 AM PDT

I say leave it alone its fine how it is!!!

  • 10.08.2009 7:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: DK daze
Dude I don't care and my grammer is perfect.I used "Big", as you recall it to mak is specific."to not do...",is incorrect beause "do" is present tense/perfect(or future) when it was a past tense.

Decrease its close-range accuracy, make it single shot.

  • 10.08.2009 7:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: harlowOO197
Uhh... It doesn't need to be fixed. It's just fine in my hands 4-shotting you.


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  • 10.08.2009 7:24 AM PDT

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Well, to be honest, the BR is not broken in any way. It is perfect the way it is. The BR seems perfectly balanced, I mean really. Its a mid to long range weapon, so it fulfills its purpose of fending off Snipers, yet gets destroyed in a close-range battle.

  • 10.08.2009 7:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: harlowOO197
Uhh... It doesn't need to be fixed. It's just fine in my hands 4-shotting you.


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I'm full of it, son.

  • 10.08.2009 7:27 AM PDT

Posted by: XxCubanLegendxX
Well, to be honest, the BR is not broken in any way. It is perfect the way it is. The BR seems perfectly balanced, I mean really. Its a mid to long range weapon, so it fulfills its purpose of fending off Snipers, yet gets destroyed in a close-range battle.


the problem is that it doesnt get destroyed in close range battle

  • 10.08.2009 7:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: Twisted Youth
It didn't exist until the very end of Reach, so rid us of it.


reach and halo 2 is a 2 month span. so your telling me the BR was made and issued for massive field-use in under 60 days?
look at this. BR 20 years before reach

and this BR DURING Reach

it says The BR55 Battle Rifle is a United Nations Space Command infantry service rifle, first seen in Halo 2, although it has been in service since 2525. It is the older of the BR55 series rifles. It is most notable for its powerful three-round burst fire and accurate 2x scope, making it more efficient at farther ranges than the Assault Rifle.

(source Halopedia.com)

  • 10.08.2009 7:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: sparks230
The Battle Rifle does not need to be fixed. Just get over it the BR is perfect the way it is.


Exactly, if you don't want to get killed by a BR, then pick one up yourself.

  • 10.08.2009 7:41 AM PDT
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IMO, there are several problems with it:

1. Being a burst weapon is fine. Heck, we have automatic weapons in Halo. The problem with this burst weapon, however, is that it's headshot capable. Think about SWAT and how easy it is to get headshots on unshielded people as opposed to using a single magnum or carbine. BRs allow you to swipe shoot and it makes headshotting take 0 skill. All the other weapons in the arsenal that can headshot take a precision aim AT THE HEAD, not at the chest, shoulder, head, belly button, etc - which will then jump their way up to the head. You also can't be off their whole body and swipe to the side and allow a burst to headshot others with a magnum, carbine, or sniper.

2. But what about all those times you're in an epic battle with someone because you can't get the headshot at the range you're at? Doesn't that mean it does take aim? Not at all. Just think about all the complaints about the BR's accuracy. It is random at all but the closest medium range situations (it starts to go at a distance from gold to in front of snipe on guardian). This randomness makes for imprecise battles and can cause the victor not to be the one with the most skill, but the one who got the lucky break.

3. Of course a lot of weapons work that way, and we don't want a sniper, right? Well, how many snipers take 12 bullets to kill? The BR and carbine are both intended to be medium/medium-long weapons. When you make the core weaponset (those weapons which control the map the best, but aren't power weapons - so you can find them more readily)random, it means that you are randomizing the most used guns in the game. When you do that, it means you downplay skill. So how can you make a core weapon be just that - a great map controlling weapon - but one that is not a sniper and overpowered? I'll tell you.

What needs to be done for a headshot capable, core weapon, is to not have burst, first of all. When that's completed, the accuracy needs to be bumped up to almost perfect. On top of that, the zoom may be toned down just a bit, or maybe kept the same. Think about how hard it would be to headshot someone across standoff, even if the BR accuracy was almost perfect. The lack of zoom on the reticule makes it harder to hit targets because you're not zoomed in. The same thing applies to any of you hunters out there. You know what I'm talking about, when you move from your 22 with the dinky scope to your 243 with the massive scope.

This will allow the BR to be a skilled, accurate core weapon, but it will actually make it harder to get headshots at range (you can't get lucky with a random burst), but doable with skill. This not only makes the gameplay much better and more consistent, but it makes the skill gap larger too, which would be great. Compare the amount of those in the 40s from H3 to H2. It's gross.

4. Finally, if you still think the BR would be like a sniper, think about this. If the BR were made to be single fire, you would then technically need 12 bullets to kill. I think that's a little too much, and should either bump up the rate of fire, or move it down to 8 shots to kill (same as carbine). The big thing with these tweaks are to play with the power and rate of fire to make the BR kill in the amount of time you want it to be able to kill (around the time it kills now). With this and the single shot implemented, you have to skillfully land 8-12 different shots, rather than allow the burst to help you get lucky (or unlucky) at times.

As it stands, the current BR is very used because it's a core weapon, it's powerful, and it's prevalent. However, it is a random, lucky, and easy weapon (in terms of HS anyway). They need to fix it to be a fine tuned, sklled, consistent weapon that will increase the skill gap.

[EDIT] I suppose another solution would be to have the carbine take the BRs place, keep the BR as is (but bump up the ROF) and make it a non-burst weapon. Then it would take 8 shots anywhere, be a medium weapon, zoom capable, but it couldn't headshot. While 8 shotting would take a bit longer than the current 4 shot, it would still provide range and it would be good with team firing. Then this BR wouldn't really be a precision weapon like it's role should be when it's the dominant weapon in a game, so a little randomness wouldn't matter.

[Edited on 10.08.2009 7:50 AM PDT]

  • 10.08.2009 7:43 AM PDT

dude the BR is awesome ... it does not need to be fixed

  • 10.08.2009 7:47 AM PDT

Posted by: fifthderelicte
IMO, there are several problems with it:

1. Being a burst weapon is fine. Heck, we have automatic weapons in Halo. The problem with this burst weapon, however, is that it's headshot capable. Think about SWAT and how easy it is to get headshots on unshielded people as opposed to using a single magnum or carbine. BRs allow you to swipe shoot and it makes headshotting take 0 skill. All the other weapons in the arsenal that can headshot take a precision aim AT THE HEAD, not at the chest, shoulder, head, belly button, etc - which will then jump their way up to the head. You also can't be off their whole body and swipe to the side and allow a burst to headshot others with a magnum, carbine, or sniper.

2. But what about all those times you're in an epic battle with someone because you can't get the headshot at the range you're at? Doesn't that mean it does take aim? Not at all. Just think about all the complaints about the BR's accuracy. It is random at all but the closest medium range situations (it starts to go at a distance from gold to in front of snipe on guardian). This randomness makes for imprecise battles and can cause the victor not to be the one with the most skill, but the one who got the lucky break.

3. Of course a lot of weapons work that way, and we don't want a sniper, right? Well, how many snipers take 12 bullets to kill? The BR and carbine are both intended to be medium/medium-long weapons. When you make the core weaponset (those weapons which control the map the best, but aren't power weapons - so you can find them more readily)random, it means that you are randomizing the most used guns in the game. When you do that, it means you downplay skill. So how can you make a core weapon be just that - a great map controlling weapon - but one that is not a sniper and overpowered? I'll tell you.

What needs to be done for a headshot capable, core weapon, is to not have burst, first of all. When that's completed, the accuracy needs to be bumped up to almost perfect. On top of that, the zoom may be toned down just a bit, or maybe kept the same. Think about how hard it would be to headshot someone across standoff, even if the BR accuracy was almost perfect. The lack of zoom on the reticule makes it harder to hit targets because you're not zoomed in. The same thing applies to any of you hunters out there. You know what I'm talking about, when you move from your 22 with the dinky scope to your 243 with the massive scope.

This will allow the BR to be a skilled, accurate core weapon, but it will actually make it harder to get headshots at range (you can't get lucky with a random burst), but doable with skill. This not only makes the gameplay much better and more consistent, but it makes the skill gap larger too, which would be great. Compare the amount of those in the 40s from H3 to H2. It's gross.

4. Finally, if you still think the BR would be like a sniper, think about this. If the BR were made to be single fire, you would then technically need 12 bullets to kill. I think that's a little too much, and should either bump up the rate of fire, or move it down to 8 shots to kill (same as carbine). The big thing with these tweaks are to play with the power and rate of fire to make the BR kill in the amount of time you want it to be able to kill (around the time it kills now). With this and the single shot implemented, you have to skillfully land 8-12 different shots, rather than allow the burst to help you get lucky (or unlucky) at times.

As it stands, the current BR is very used because it's a core weapon, it's powerful, and it's prevalent. However, it is a random, lucky, and easy weapon (in terms of HS anyway). They need to fix it to be a fine tuned, sklled, consistent weapon that will increase the skill gap.


good points, but in single shot each shot would be more powerful, needing about 6 shots and there would be no spread to garentee a hit

  • 10.08.2009 7:50 AM PDT
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Posted by: the n00b pwner

good points, but in single shot each shot would be more powerful, needing about 6 shots and there would be no spread to garentee a hit


I know how you're thinking, but you're actually wrong.

1. Right now it takes 4 shots (but 12 bullets - this is where you're getting confused). If it took 8 shots, like I propose, you would actually have to make 8 separate adjustments to your aim as opposed to 4, and land 4 more shots than you currently do. Each bullet would be more powerful, but each shot would be less powerful.

2. Of course there would be no spread to guarantee a hit! That's the problem with it now! You can have bad aim but still be rewarded. That's fine, the same is true of the AR, but the BR has a good range and is the core weapon of the game! It should take skill, not luck.

[Edited on 10.08.2009 7:55 AM PDT]

  • 10.08.2009 7:54 AM PDT

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