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Subject: How do you want to fix the BR?

Posted by: fifthderelicte
Posted by: the n00b pwner

good points, but in single shot each shot would be more powerful, needing about 6 shots and there would be no spread to garentee a hit


I know how you're thinking, but you're actually wrong.

1. Right now it takes 4 shots (but 12 bullets - this is where you're getting confused). If it took 8 shots, like I propose, you would actually have to make 8 separate adjustments to your aim as opposed to 4, and land 4 more shots than you currently do. Each bullet would be more powerful, but each shot would be less powerful.

2. Of course there would be no spread to guarantee a hit! That's the problem with it now! You can have bad aim but still be rewarded. That's fine, the same is true of the AR, but the BR has a good range and is the core weapon of the game! It should take skill, not luck.


1. That is what i meant, to make each round do more damage needing 6-8 rounds to kill.

2. Glad we agree

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Posted by: the n00b pwner
Posted by: fifthderelicte
Posted by: the n00b pwner

good points, but in single shot each shot would be more powerful, needing about 6 shots and there would be no spread to garentee a hit


I know how you're thinking, but you're actually wrong.

1. Right now it takes 4 shots (but 12 bullets - this is where you're getting confused). If it took 8 shots, like I propose, you would actually have to make 8 separate adjustments to your aim as opposed to 4, and land 4 more shots than you currently do. Each bullet would be more powerful, but each shot would be less powerful.

2. Of course there would be no spread to guarantee a hit! That's the problem with it now! You can have bad aim but still be rewarded. That's fine, the same is true of the AR, but the BR has a good range and is the core weapon of the game! It should take skill, not luck.


1. That is what i meant, to make each round do more damage needing 6-8 rounds to kill.

2. Glad we agree


Glad to have someone else on the same page! These are tough places, these forums, when you take the name of BR in vain. But I'm not going to bow down to this false god.

  • 10.08.2009 8:19 AM PDT

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Remove it as a starting weapon (along with the AR) and replace it, with the following:

After playing ODST, I honestly think that the M6C/SOCOM and M7s (silened pistol and SMG) would make great starting weapons for the following reasons:
Firstly the pistol. Damage wise it's the same as the Halo 2 Magnum meaning it is useless against shields and only good for headshots, however it has a nice rate of fire and comes equipped with a 4x magnification smart linked scope. The only problem is that in Halo 2 the Magnum had a 12 round clip but required 13 shots to kill (maybe we could amp the power a bit, to say 5/6 shots to kill?)...
Which is where the M7s comes in. It has a 48 round magazine and is accurate when fired in bursts along with a 2x zoom which makes it great at mid-close range. It also eats through shields at a reasonable rate and would work well as a support weapon. Continued fire causes heavy recoil and a huge increase in the spread of bullets.

I'd propose that this combination (SMG primary, Automag secondary) should be the default weapon load out in Halo Reach because it allows for combat at all ranges with no single weapon being excessively dominant *cough*Battle Rifle*cough* and allows for both newer and more experienced players to get to grips with the game more easily due to having a weapon set which encourages hunting down stronger weapons yet is reasonable enough to defend and help out upon respawn with.

Finally I'll touch on Duel Wielding; it could be dealt with in several ways:
Cut it.
Remove scope ability when dual wielding these weapons.
Simply don't make these into dual wieldable weapons.

Voila, a starting weapon set that isn't overpowered, can be used off spawn to assist friendlies and to defend oneself with yet is also not the best weapon set around, encouraging players to find better gear.

  • 10.08.2009 8:27 AM PDT

Posted by: fifthderelicte
Glad to have someone else on the same page! These are tough places, these forums, when you take the name of BR in vain. But I'm not going to bow down to this false god.


Neither will I!!

  • 10.08.2009 8:35 AM PDT

Posted by: RELLIK PIR
Posted by: the n00b pwner
Posted by: ST ANGER UK
It isn't broken and it doesn't need fixing. If someone doesn't like it, they don't have to use it.


its not that i don't like it, its just that it is too powerful at close ranges to be a mid to long range weapon


Waaaaa, kids waaaaay better than me shot me in the face.... as I run strait at them with my AR spraying then meleeing. But they shot me in da face before I could because I suck and they were backing up and wouldn't let me get close. Waaaaaaaa


fail, i kill them with either weapon

  • 10.08.2009 8:49 AM PDT

wow, you are truly pathetic

  • 10.08.2009 9:06 AM PDT

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take out all weapons except the br sniper carbine PP mauler and rockets and the game is fine :P

  • 10.08.2009 11:48 AM PDT

jason ryan

get it out of the game.anyway it was only made after halo 1.wouldnt it f**k the story up if you left it in?

  • 10.08.2009 11:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: the n00b pwner
Posted by: ST ANGER UK
It isn't broken and it doesn't need fixing. If someone doesn't like it, they don't have to use it.


its not that i don't like it, its just that it is too powerful at close ranges to be a mid to long range weapon
if you are tired of being killed by a br up close pull out an AR even though that contradicts what i said before

  • 10.08.2009 11:51 AM PDT

3-6 sens default/bj no vibe and hold to crouch send me a message if you change your settings religiously as well!!!!!

[/quote] Fifthderelicte;1. Right now it takes 4 shots (but 12 bullets - this is where you're getting confused). If it took 8 shots, like I propose, you would actually have to make 8 separate adjustments to your aim as opposed to 4, and land 4 more shots than you currently do. Each bullet would be more powerful, but each shot would be less powerful.[/quote] that exact weapon is called the carbine..... way to know nothing...

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I don't think there is anything wrong with the BR. At close ranges (less than 10WU)it loses to the AR, Sword, Shotgun, Mauler, Hammer, and duels.

There are only 2 weapons that function in the mid to long range catagory(BR, and Carbine). There are 3 sniping type weapons that function in long ranges, and there are a whopping 15 weapons that function from close to mid range.

I don't think that most players realize that there is a huge hole in the mid to long range catagory of weapons. I think this is where most people find this "unbalance". This catagory is crucial for keeping the sniping weapons from dominating, and allows players to play comfortably on bigger maps where the 15 close range weapons don't do the trick.

Another thing that we have to take into account is that while the most prevalent weapon in this catagory, the BR, has to be an anti sniper weapon it also has to be somewhat decent at mid range. The reason for this is quite simple. If it is not effective at mid range then it will not be used. If the BR and Carbine are not used because of being too ineffective at mid ranges then that also leads to more power being transfered to sniping weapons.

It is clear that there is a slight imbalance, but I don't think it is with the BR. I think it is with the lack of mid/mid-long range weapons. Being that there are only two weapons that truly fit into this catagory out of the twenty some weapons in halo three, it is safe to say there could be more.

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Posted by: CcCRePiNSx
Fifthderelicte;1. Right now it takes 4 shots (but 12 bullets - this is where you're getting confused). If it took 8 shots, like I propose, you would actually have to make 8 separate adjustments to your aim as opposed to 4, and land 4 more shots than you currently do. Each bullet would be more powerful, but each shot would be less powerful. that exact weapon is called the carbine..... way to know nothing...


Wow, do you read anything? I know that the carbine has those exact specifications (8 shot kill). I never said it had to be that way, I proposed that something be done, like changing the power or rate of fire, or making the BR a non-headshot weapon. Please read before you write. Just because you have a model BR you take to bed with you at night doesn't mean it isn't a bad weapon.

Both snipers do the same damage, so why not both mid ranged weapons? If it works, it works.

If you'd like to see how much I know about this, look here . There are some things there that need to be changed, but the thread is closed, so I can't (the shots to kill).



[Edited on 10.08.2009 12:37 PM PDT]

  • 10.08.2009 12:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: fifthderelicte
Posted by: CcCRePiNSx
Fifthderelicte;1. Right now it takes 4 shots (but 12 bullets - this is where you're getting confused). If it took 8 shots, like I propose, you would actually have to make 8 separate adjustments to your aim as opposed to 4, and land 4 more shots than you currently do. Each bullet would be more powerful, but each shot would be less powerful. that exact weapon is called the carbine..... way to know nothing...


Wow, do you read anything? I know that the carbine has those exact specifications (8 shot kill). I never said it had to be that way, I proposed that something be done, like changing the power or rate of fire, or making the BR a non-headshot weapon. Please read before you write. Just because you have a model BR you take to bed with you at night doesn't mean it isn't a bad weapon.

Both snipers do the same damage, so why not both mid ranged weapons? If it works, it works.

If you'd like to see how much I know about this, look here . There are some things there that need to be changed, but the thread is closed, so I can't (the shots to kill).


ok the BR is fine where it is. on the other hand i agree with you that the carbine is harder to use. i just think that they both work in different ways and a mediocre person btw makes a br a 2 kill per clip (4-6 bursts per kill) so you are right and wrong but ills hut up i agree with you and please dont tell anyone about my custom plush BR that i sleep with to make myself feel better about how bad i am :P

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increase damage, ammo count, and auto mag like in the landfall trailer for halo 3

  • 10.08.2009 1:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: the n00b pwner
We all know that the BR has been a topic of great debate, and people have made suggestions on how to balence it, or to just get rid of it. I am not a noob that can't use the BR, nor am I an MLG player that likes it way too much. But what is your opinion on how to balence the BR?

Make it look like THE REAL BR THE FAMAS!!!Other then that its
cool and good.

  • 10.08.2009 1:07 PM PDT

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Get rid of it.

  • 10.08.2009 1:17 PM PDT

Ok the Br is not broke on any way its fine those of you that wont it out of the game is just kids that cant use it Like the Noob pwner

  • 10.08.2009 1:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: Chelloz THE one
Ok the Br is not broke on any way its fine those of you that wont it out of the game is just kids that cant use it Like the Noob pwner

Dude read what Noob pwner says. Maybe your the NOOB OR KID to not take your time to read the topic of what he said.But i do think you dont need to get rid of it.

  • 10.08.2009 1:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xizor14
Get rid of it.

This guy has the right idea.
Halo 3:ODST feels so much more like Combat evolved without the battle rifle.
What Halo Reach needs is to be more like halo combat evolved it is after all a prequel.
You can tell a weapon is overpowered if everyone rushes for just that one weapon and ignores everything else.

[Edited on 10.08.2009 1:29 PM PDT]

  • 10.08.2009 1:29 PM PDT

Silent BR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 10.08.2009 1:30 PM PDT

Posted by: ALEX OWNEZ 20
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Uhh... It doesn't need to be fixed. It's just fine in my hands 4-shotting you.

  • 10.08.2009 1:34 PM PDT

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The BR should be either consistent or getting rid of it.

  • 10.08.2009 1:36 PM PDT

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