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Subject: What's Update : Cheaters!
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Well, the simple truth of the matter is that Bungie isn't doing enough, they know they're not doing enough, and as a result everyone who plays the game gets to deal with an endless drivel of cheaters. They say the cheaters bother them as much as they bother the players, but somehow I seriously doubt that. The truth is the game is simply out of hand at this point, no ones rank really means anything because the legitimate players are lower level than they should be (because of the cheaters) and the cheaters are higher level than they should be (I think you can figure out why). I really have stopped enjoying playing halo2, because no matter what gamelist I play in, inevitably I'll run into a cheater. It's gotten so bad that I've found people cheating the practice playlists.

Halo2 also has its fair share of glitches which can cause a large amount of frustration. For whatever reason the superjump is still in the game, which makes no sense because it can give one team a huge advantage over the other team (dual snipers on the roof of zanzibar anyone?). Another one that only began happening after the autoupdate was the invisible grenade phenomenom, where an enemy will throw a grenade, but the grenade will have no graphic, leaving you clueless as to where it actually is (oftentimes resulting in accidentally walking right over said invisable grenade). Another strange one that seems to have only begun after the autoupdate is grenades that are thrown and never explode. They bounce, they stick, but they don't blow up. What gives?

Then the granddaddy of them all is the de-leveler. These people only exist to ruin everyone elses fun. I won't get into the flagrant personality defects readily appearant in these people (they just ooze stupidity from every pore in their body) but the simple truth is they ruin the game for people who actually want to play, and they should be banned, along with however many other accounts they have. Their rational most of the time is "this isn't my account, so I can get away with it". Lovely. Just what everyone wants to hear.

When you add in that its still possible to standby another team into oblivion despite whatever changes bungie has made, Halo2 is really just no fun to play anymore. In the end, you can ban however many people you want, but mommy and daddy will likely pay for another copy. The real solution as with most things lies in prevention, and evidently Halo2 has nothing that prevents people from cheating. The last time their was word of an autoupdate, supposedly cheating was supposed to be cut down for good, but instead it has come back even worse than it was before. Somehow I don't have any faith left to keep me from thinking that this next autoupdate will be even worse. The current cheats will either stop or be put in check, but cheating will come back in different ways and even worse than before.

Bungie has lost control of its own game. Now 10 year olds with mod chips and a potty mouth reign supreme, or 18 year olds who like to pump their ego's with bandwidth modification. It takes a lot for me to get irritated enough to come onto a message board (which are notoriously pervated with endless whining and petty grudges) and actually post about a problem, though it does seem bungie at least reads these. I've played just about every bungie game in existence (Redneck Rampage doesn't really count... does it?) and am dismayed to find the state of the online play in such shambles. The only thing I can compare it to is the Myth TFL demo server, if anyone remembers that nonsense...

I can only hope that bungie learns its lesson and actively engages in building anti-cheat systems into their next game, because it has become obvious from this experience that whatever they have done simply does not cut the butter.

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  • 07.01.2005 9:39 PM PDT
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see sketch.....you are more poular than frankie already......you should be proud.

  • 07.01.2005 9:53 PM PDT
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I was just wondering....will Bungie be doing something about the banshee in Team Rifles soon. Please help me!!

  • 07.01.2005 9:53 PM PDT
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I think that mayhaps people are overestimating the amount of cheating on Live... Myself, I'm a level 20-something, and can't remember a SINGLE game that I've encountered cheaters or modders. On the other hand, innumerable people on these forums are throwing around statistics like, "I get cheated 4 out of 5 times," or "90%", or "every time!" Yes, there is a cheating epidemic on Halo 2 Live; however, you have to wonder how many of these people who say they got cheated simply got pwned by a hardcore player better than they are. Stats at the end of a game like 45 kills and no deaths are almost certainly cheats, but how many of these rabid accusations are simply some self-deluded rationalization of a royal ass-whooping that someone got handed? Please, in the name of reason, don't flame me.

[Edited on 7/1/2005]

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Ya man im getting sick of the mod stuff now...like when it first started getting big it was like COOL HOLY CRAP HOW COOL YOU CAN MAKE A SHOTGUN SHOOT A TANK BULLET. Now its more like....ok stfu your not cool for moding...i lost freaking 4 levels because of moder's ;(. I sware once u hit a high level like 28 or higher the odds of u playing a legit game are getting pretty low...i have a bunch of people that were on my friends list that were a high rank i thought they were good and then i joined there party and found out they used mod's,standby and they boosted there clan up all the time. So i ended up taking them off my friends list like 1 day later. Im sick of cheaters and i cant wait till bungie drops another Bungie bomb on the newbs who insist on moding all the time to get there freaking rank up....its sad as $hit. People come into my party all the time bragging about there rank because they play with people who mod 24/7. I dont think i have played a legit matchmaking game in 2 days except for a exception of maybe 1 or 2 games. It makes me wanna puke..its disgusting how the whole Xbox society has to standby and mod to be cool and all the clans have to have high ranks to look good. I was a overlord of one of my original clans and we were a legit 24 my friend hade to boost to get from a 17 to a 23 now thats sad. If you cant play the game right dont play it at all. Bungie i'm waiting for that bomb ;).
Theres always a bunch of people talking crap about bungie saying they suck for making the game -blam!- buy getting rid of hackers and mod's and trying to keep standbying to a low rate. I say good, good riddance if u hack get the hell of the game you dont deserve to play it if u suck that much that u cant play a legit game. Plus i want my rank on Team Slayer back :( i lost 3 ranks because of playing newbs on warlock....people popping there discs so that they can only load warlock,sanctuary,containment and Turf...its getting me pissed off about this whole subject on cheating ;/. Stupid Super Jumps,Auto Aim,Super Speed,Flying Warthogs,Hacked Weapons its getting me mad ><. I played containment and this guy had a gauss warthog that hade auto aim and the gauss shot like a machine gun so it just kept shooting people with auto aim....and then there was this guy with super speed who was just able to grab the flag and jump across the whole map using super bounce across the map with super speed. I want to play legit games im sick of moder's they make me sick sometimes

  • 07.01.2005 10:04 PM PDT
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I was just wondering....will Bungie be doing something about the banshee in Team Rifles soon. Please help me!!

The Banshee on Team Rifles will be taken out during the Playlist update on July 11th............... THANK YOU GOD!!!!!!!!

  • 07.01.2005 10:12 PM PDT
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Ok second letter and i wont screw this up ok! TO ALL YOU STUPIT -blam!- CHEATS WHO SUCK AT LIFE OUT JUST DIE. OR SUFFER THE WRATH OF THE CHICKEN FROM FAMILY GUY. You will be told and shot down like the monkey in family guy when he got Chris said NOT NOW! You can read this second attempt letter or the first one which is better ok! if that gets sorted out hopefully. BUNGE RULES KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK YA!! "Or am I....." :Peter Griffen. Yes i am a really messed person and a psycopath so shot me...(BAM). ....(Thud).

[Edited on 7/1/2005]

  • 07.01.2005 10:21 PM PDT

When your pissed at a video game then they say "It's Just a game!" and you just want to punch them in the skull and keep playing, thats when you become a gamer

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I think that mayhaps people are overestimating the amount of cheating on Live... Myself, I'm a level 20-something, and can't remember a SINGLE game that I've encountered cheaters or modders. On the other hand, innumerable people on these forums are throwing around statistics like, "I get cheated 4 out of 5 times," or "90%", or "every time!" Yes, there is a cheating epidemic on Halo 2 Live; however, you have to wonder how many of these people who say they got cheated simply got pwned by a hardcore player better than they are. Stats at the end of a game like 45 kills and no deaths are almost certainly cheats, but how many of these rabid accusations are simply some self-deluded rationalization of a royal ass-whooping that someone got handed? Please, in the name of reason, don't flame me.


The thing is why you dont see modding is you are a 20. I didnt see modding til I het early 22 late 24. The mdding is crazy. We just got modded again in between posts. Sad? The thing that people are saying is Bungie Cant do crap about modding! if they cant, then what they need to do is admit there wrongdoing. Stop being a whimppy -blam!- and make excuses or -blam!-y anwersers like "were testing" or -blam!- like that. You Not testing You counting the god damn money you guys made. So whats the next game after halo 3 that will be soo kickass? MYST 7 anyone?

  • 07.01.2005 10:29 PM PDT
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They need to just piss off people by just stopping rank. saying that no more rank games until we stop. and if not then just -blam!- turn off the option to play online. before they came out with halo2 rainbow six3 was the big xbl game! i didnt get cheated at all and it was great! but now bungie is making all this money and they dont give a -blam!-! do what microsoft does when they have internet explorer problems? They get random people to fix it then they pay them! If we got people who can mod to help bungie to fix this -blam!-! Or since they can "detect" when we standby and mod then have the game just not count it! take away what the cheaters prey on.....RANK! So even if there is a small point of cheating dont count it!

  • 07.01.2005 10:47 PM PDT
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I Think that Xbox Live should ban Xbox Serial Number so they could never use that hacked xbox on LIVE! cause if they don't they always get a new 2 months trails and start hacking all over agian that would be great! cause im not gonna be paying for Xbox LIVE so people could hack me in a game Microsoft should do something!!!!!!! it pissing me off. And i think other people think the same. if u guys don't do something then u lost a gamer and others will do the same.

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  • 07.01.2005 10:48 PM PDT

When your pissed at a video game then they say "It's Just a game!" and you just want to punch them in the skull and keep playing, thats when you become a gamer

I second that motions my fellow clan memeber.

  • 07.01.2005 10:49 PM PDT
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I would like to say a few things,
first, y does it matter that people mod, everyone says they only want to raise their rank and stuff but they cant bc people cheat, well if they took out ranks then would it matter if people modded, just quit the game if you dont like being modded on and if there are no ranks to be lost it wont matter, modding makes the game fun, it makes it more fun i should say and all of u who disagree obviously havent played a modded game so dont even talk. and for those of you who say i can only get my rank with cheating, thats bull, i have 2 accounts and one is a 33 and the other is a 15, both ranks were gotten long b4 i started modding bc i just started modding yesterday.
second, for those of you who think banning the ip address of the xbox will stop us, u dont know how wrong u r, in order to soft mod u have to ftp and use ur ip address and every time i do that my ip address changes so i have to punch it in again.
third halo 1 was so easy to mod it isnt remotely funny, on halo pc i would mod like crazy there was no stopping u and halo pc was fun whether u were modding or not bc u choose wut map, wut game type and who u were going to play with every time, so if you diddnt want to get modded, stay away from the easily modded maps, i think we should do the same thing to halo 2 -blam!- matchmaking, let us choose our game types and maps, take out ranks and let us mod bc then it wouldnt hurt nebody

one more thing, people who want them to start modder over at level 1, please do i love pwning level ones, making their record horrible bc they couldnt beat a level 33 of course they cant thats y multiple accounts r retardedly fun and funny to have

and to those of you who want to qoute me dont even think about it bc i dont care wut ur noob ass has to say

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  • 07.01.2005 10:53 PM PDT
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We need a petition or somthing! To tell bungie we wont take this -blam!- or maybe that this needs to stop!

  • 07.01.2005 10:53 PM PDT
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Think that Xbox Live should ban Xbox Serial Number so they could never use that hacked xbox on LIVE! cause if they don't they always get a new 2 months trails and start hacking all over agian that would be great! cause im not gonna be paying for Xbox LIVE so people could hack me in a game Microsoft should do something!!!!!!! it pissing me off. And i think other people think the same. if u guys don't do something then u lost a gamer and others will do the same.

  • 07.01.2005 11:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ghostface73
Think that Xbox Live should ban Xbox Serial Number so they could never use that hacked xbox on LIVE! cause if they don't they always get a new 2 months trails and start hacking all over agian that would be great! cause im not gonna be paying for Xbox LIVE so people could hack me in a game Microsoft should do something!!!!!!! it pissing me off. And i think other people think the same. if u guys don't do something then u lost a gamer and others will do the same.


if they took out rank would u care if u were modded knowing u could just quit out and nothing bad would happen

  • 07.01.2005 11:01 PM PDT
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Then whats the fun in that when evrybody is going to be quiting?

  • 07.01.2005 11:06 PM PDT
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Yes..................rank is just a -blam!- number! I just wanna play people around the same skill and have a fun game! This is just a game! thats all! I just wanna play fair, and have fun win or lose! I have lost games and had fun still cuz it has been close and not bs. getting moded isnt fun cuz we dont have a chance!

  • 07.01.2005 11:07 PM PDT
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Dude honestly there were no answers to any of the questions once again. what exacly is bungie doing. are they putting a stop to the IP Address. using the credit card that the cheater has used on the live account to stop all of their gamer tags? these are just a couple of things i know would make me and a lot of faithful Halo players feel better to know what is being done. to the period.......and im done hearing that people are being banned because people who play halo thik its just here-say. if people were getting banned the others would get the idea and stop so they wouldnt get banned. i guess i just want proof that something is acually being done. i play alot of halo and i see a bunch of stand by and modding and what about names why can u give out gamertags of the cheaters? they should be strung up on a pole and stoned.

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  • 07.01.2005 11:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ghostface73
Then whats the fun in that when evrybody is going to be quiting?


everyone wont be quitting read my first post the long one and tell me if u agree with that idea, but everyone wouldnt be quitting, they only quit if they happen to end up in a modded game or a standbyers game and if it only takes 2 seconds to find a new game to join y does it matter if u want to quit to escape modders

  • 07.01.2005 11:09 PM PDT
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We shouldnt be inconvienced due to you! You should have to quit! We play by the rules you dont! I dont care if ur a legit 50 go custom game mod if you wanna mod! it isnt fun when we wait to get into a game just to sit there and get modded!

  • 07.01.2005 11:13 PM PDT
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ok i dont play ranked games with my mods, i play custom games but they say i am going to still be banned, but me and my 2 xbox's will still be online to do it again

  • 07.01.2005 11:15 PM PDT
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yeah dude why should we be punished so the cheaters can prosper. i play too much and to hard to lose my 28 to a modder. and thats what always happens

  • 07.01.2005 11:16 PM PDT
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Man i agree with you when you say that cheating ruins the game for everyone and that i have also stopped enjoying Halo at this point because no matter what type of playlist you're in you will always run into some stupid little kid who thinks that they're cool because they can run clear across a map in less than 5 seconds or shoot a battle rifle that'll kill you on impact. It seem that Bungie can't keep up with all the cheaters and no matter what type of update comes out people find new ways to cheat. I had a hard time with "standbying", "Dumying", now its modding. It's unbeleviably frustrating. Right now i could be about 10-15 levels higher than i already was but because there is so much modding i can barely see a win. Now when i do win it's because nobody's modding or somebody on my team is modding to help us win. The fun i used to have on Xbox live is now gone because of all the cheaters on live. im sick of it but i do not have anything else to do because my neigborhood is so bad that you can get shot at while walking out the door. so it's play halo or join the fun on the outside. So i figure i'll stay inside where it's safe and play halo but sufer the consequences of being modded or have some stupid little 10 year old who thinks they can talk smack. i really hope that bungie can do something more about the modders and little imature kids on live.

  • 07.01.2005 11:17 PM PDT
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you should be banned you make the game boring and not fun when u cheat. it make you feel good cause u won the easy way. i hope they take you ip and void it out on xbl servers and then u need to pay to change your ip if ur provider will be willing to do i doubt. but the again you cheater always find a way to F@*K a perfectly good game up u loser

  • 07.01.2005 11:19 PM PDT

When your pissed at a video game then they say "It's Just a game!" and you just want to punch them in the skull and keep playing, thats when you become a gamer

http://www.bungie.net/stats/Halo2WebMaps/richgame.aspx?g=2254 03110

If that isnt Cheating Bungie? Then your -blam!- blind.

[Edited on 7/1/2005]

  • 07.01.2005 11:20 PM PDT