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Subject: Solution for a dropship. [Covenant Reaper]

V2 is done!! Heres the link http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=38071174

Many people want the pelican and spirit in multiplayer (so do I) but with the size of the maps it clearly would not work.

My solution is to introduce a new vehicle that works well for transporting but could fit into the game

This can be changed. Please give me your Feedback!

EDIT 3: Some people think it should be a smaller phantom whereas others think it should be a smaller spirit.
Its like a combination of the two; Has seats like the Spirit but the overall shape is like a phantom. Hopefully trying to blend both dropships together.
Covenant Reaper

Looks across between a seraph fighter, spirit dropship and vampire from halo wars.

Seraph - http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/halofanon/images/thumb/d/d6 /Seraphagain.jpg/250px-Seraphagain.jpg
Spirit - http://media.photobucket.com/image/halo%20spirit/AestheticFor ger/spirit-1.jpg
Vampire - http://www.halowars.com/images/cov/web_vampire.jpg

Seats: 6 - 1 Driver, 1 Gunner, 4 Passanger

Weapons: Plasma turret (from the phantom)
OR Shade Turret (from the spirit)
The shade could be too powerful

Toughness: It would be hard to destroy but the turret is not powerful enough to make the vehicle overpowered.

1 Spartan Laser/Rocket to the turret destroys the turret and the gunner.

3 Splaser shots destroy the vehicle

4 Rockets destroy the vehicle

4 Tank rounds destroy the vehicle

Transportation: Can carry 4 passangers (2 on each side) So you could drop off a squad.

Doors closed/open: This is something I have not decided yet. Should there be doors like on the Spirit that close when in flight?

Closed
+ Protection From enemy fire
+ Would be reminiscent of the Halo CE spirit.

- Would not be able to get out during flight
- Can't shoot when doors are closed
Open
+ Can get in and out at any time
+ You can shoot people from the passanger seat

- Vulnerable to enemy fire

How it would work: Press X (as the driver) to open/close the doors

Size: A bit smaller than the scorpion

Speed: Quite slow, no boost.

Uses: You can carry lots of players at once so you could secure a location. This would work well with the Territories gametype.

Because its tough it can be used as a support vehicle by distracting the enemy with its turret fire.

EDIT: Controls(and other functions)
Posted by: pitbullfathead

I think the controls should be:
Driver -X exits vehicle (you'll see why), Y and/or B opens and closes doors (they can switch from open to close at any point and take about 2 seconds to do so), RT could make a Shield Flare-up (A momentary shield that draws from the core power supply, simply acts as an Energy Shield, 3 seconds to activate and deactivate), LT could be a risky boost similar to the Banshees except it builds up speed and then is harder to slow down (It can also cause immense damage to the ship and its crew if it hits a wall or cliff), A is for landing (Similar to Starwars: Battlefront II space flight, except it won't just dead stop, and is safest used at a dead stop).

Now flight controls:
It would control more similarily to a Monitor, the left stick controls basic 2D movements; Forward, Strafe left and right, and Brake/Reverse. The right stick would behave the similar in that it allows you to turn left and right, however looking up and down is only for locating things. It would have a Wraith like turn rate. RB would allow the craft to ascend, and LB would cause it to descend. LB's descend rate would not stack with A's landing descend rate, A's landing feature would Highjack all controls and only allow the driver to look around with the right stick.

Really like this idea

EDIT 2: Name
Posted by: pitbullfathead
Name: Bungie names Covenant vehicles using a simple theme ghost-like names. We have a Ghost, Banshee, Phantom, Spirit, Wraith, Shadow, Specter, Shade etc... Though Reaper does fit, I would say it is more fitting to either call it an Apparition, Soul, perhaps even a Revenant etc.

My personal pick would be to call it a Phantasm, similar to a Scarab's smaller variant being a Locust.

Yeah I couldn't really think up a good name but Phantasm sounds a bit too much like Phantom. I like Revenant though.

EDIT 4: Concept Art
Posted by: sumt1ng w31rd
i made a blueprint on sandbox out of scenery items, of what i think the ship looks like, ill put up pics on my fileshare afterschool today.

--EDIT--
here are the pics. now keep in mind that im not the best forger, and i have nothing to build off of than pictures of 3 other ships. plus i built it in sandbox with objects that dont have a curve or a round to them, so the ship is built out of straight lines and sharp objects..

The Reaver
Reaver Doors
Plasma Cannon

Description are in pics so it explain what it is.

Very good just not as large, the seats would be on the outside with doors like on the spirit. And the turret would be underneath (like the spirit).
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Maps: There should be a remake of death island which I think this vehicle would work well on. The remake could be called 'Marooned'.

There should be at least 4 big maps to ship with the game and should focus a lot more on vehicular combat.

(I do like small maps but there should be more of an equal share of map sizes.)


[Edited on 10.15.2009 4:41 AM PDT]

  • 10.13.2009 6:03 AM PDT

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Kudos you've done alot of research on this(unlike most people here),

I like the idea.

  • 10.13.2009 6:05 AM PDT

I didn't type this for nothing.

  • 10.13.2009 8:46 AM PDT

Ugh I'd like a few more people to post on this before it dies.

  • 10.13.2009 12:59 PM PDT

Why do we need a vehicle that can carry most of your team?

  • 10.13.2009 1:00 PM PDT

Don't hate... ...loathe.

If you crash does it kill/dammage passengers. Like when you ram a wall in a banshee?

  • 10.13.2009 1:05 PM PDT

Confound these ponies, they drive me to insomnia.

Also, Applejack ftw.

What a great idea!

  • 10.13.2009 1:09 PM PDT

Posted by: Rambohagen
If you crash does it kill/dammage passengers. Like when you ram a wall in a banshee?


It would not have boost and would not be that fast so its likely it would not damage on crashes.

  • 10.13.2009 1:53 PM PDT

Enough with the messages,
I don't want to join your stupid groups.

Nice idea and all, however, the reason they don't have things like a transport warthog is that 1 player can score a ton of kills easily. A couple laser blasts and he gets 6 kills.
It would need a lot of tweaking to make it work without unbalancing the game, but overall I like the idea.

  • 10.13.2009 1:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


Posted by: Xx KNOX xX
and how!

When it is "destroyed" the pilot should be killed [AND REMAIN IN THE SEAT, NOT FALLING THROUGH THE VEHICLE], and then it should start to go down. Sirens, warning lights, engine fires, all that jazz. When it hits the ground it should get even more damaged and have a secondary explosion near the engines. If the gunner was still in his seat he would be killed, but the passengers should have about a 60/40 chance of dying/living.

There should also be fall damage, so if when attempting to bail a dropship that is going down you should have to jump at a reasonable height, or else perish.

  • 10.13.2009 2:01 PM PDT

Spirit's might be back in Reach, but I know that after Halo 1, they got replaced with Phantoms, the held the same amount of units, was smaller and had more fire power.

  • 10.13.2009 2:02 PM PDT

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  • 10.13.2009 2:05 PM PDT

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I really like this idea. For once somebody knows what they are talking about. But I think the reaper it a bomber like the longsword. However it would be a great support vehicle for ground force's. Keep this forum going people!

  • 10.13.2009 2:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hotrod3193
Kudos you've done alot of research on this(unlike most people here),

I like the idea.


Wow. That is actually kinda cool.

  • 10.13.2009 2:26 PM PDT

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Sorry for the lengthy read, I feel you are on to a possible vehicle here!

First of all I think going back to the roots of Halo and heading in the direction of Vehicular Combat is sexy.

Fun Fact: Halo: CE was originally thought up as a game that would showcase large-scale vehicular combat...

A few things I would change:

Name: Bungie names Covenant vehicles using a simple theme ghost-like names. We have a Ghost, Banshee, Phantom, Spirit, Wraith, Shadow, Specter, Shade etc... Though Reaper does fit, I would say it is more fitting to either call it an Apparition, Soul, perhaps even a Revenant etc.

My personal pick would be to call it a Phantasm, similar to a Scarab's smaller variant being a Locust. A Phantasm would be the smaller and quicker version of a Phantom, more ideal for squad drop off rather then dropping a small regiment.

The design could look like anything so long as it loosely resembled a Phantom, which could easily be down with the dual Engine heads, or whatever they are.

Seats: I definitely agree with and like your current setup of seating!

Weapons: I always loved dodging the Shade projectiles, but if they were to be used I would suggest a tone-down in damage versus vehicles, especially tanks. If it were to be a Plasma-turret I would say a dual barrel turret would give of a decent shooting feel. I would also like to see a first-person view for this turret.

Toughness: I agree it should be pretty tough, I think something like the SMG or any other small arms fire should be completely ineffective. I think the Warthogs Chain Gun should do a small amount of damage, since this thing would be somewhat of a sitting duck in comparison to a Banshee, and gunners don't usually have a problem hitting those. The Gauss should do about have as much damage as a Rocket.

My opinion is:
1 Spartan Laser/Rocket to the turret destroys the turret and the gunner.

2 Splaser shots destroy the vehicle

3 Rockets destroy the vehicle

3 Tank rounds destroy the vehicle

I think the controls should be:
Driver -X exits vehicle (you'll see why), Y and/or B opens and closes doors (they can switch from open to close at any point and take about 2 seconds to do so), RT could make a Shield Flare-up (A momentary shield that draws from the core power supply, simply acts as an Energy Shield, 3 seconds to activate and deactivate), LT could be a risky boost similar to the Banshees except it builds up speed and then is harder to slow down (It can also cause immense damage to the ship and its crew if it hits a wall or cliff), A is for landing (Similar to Starwars: Battlefront II space flight, except it won't just dead stop, and is safest used at a dead stop).

Now flight controls:
It would control more similarily to a Monitor, the left stick controls basic 2D movements; Forward, Strafe left and right, and Brake/Reverse. The right stick would behave the similar in that it allows you to turn left and right, however looking up and down is only for locating things. It would have a Wraith like turn rate. RB would allow the craft to ascend, and LB would cause it to descend. LB's descend rate would not stack with A's landing descend rate, A's landing feature would Highjack all controls and only allow the driver to look around with the right stick.

Using the (Energy) Shield Flare-Up and the Boost Drive would hinder the craft greatly, if struck by the bolt of an overcharged Plasma-Pistol, the craft will lose all machinery funtions and plummet to the ground below, if it survives the impact against the ground, it will take around 10 seconds to reboot its powergrid (The doors could be Hydraulic so the passengers aren't stuck, it could also be humourous if they were).

For the rest I pretty much agree with everything you say, I would like to see opening and closing doors, that way you get the protection and feel that a Spirit gives, and you give the pilot the ability to let the troops try to drop in airborn. Which if there is fall damage could be risky.

If this vehicle was made would there be a human-counterpart? If so what would that be like!

[Edited on 10.13.2009 2:52 PM PDT]

  • 10.13.2009 2:47 PM PDT

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Good research my friend! Props to ya!

  • 10.13.2009 3:22 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

so a smaller Phantom?

  • 10.13.2009 3:25 PM PDT

"The best of the best had to be at the bottom at some point."

i like the idea, but it still needs a little tweaking. i like the 3 laser to kill, cuz 2 lasers it would be over too fast especially if the vehicle is slow and has no boost, it would just end too fast. forget the hydraulic seats, unless they are hit by a plasma pistol, they(the passengers) shouldnt take damage from that, and sheilds should be at half power if hit by a plasma pistol and they are stuck on the ground. Also since the sheild is taking power from the engines, when using it in mid-flight it should make the ship even slower, but like MC's sheild or a battery powered sheild, it eventually takes too much damage and quits out, or after a certain amount of time, the sheild would turn off.

I like the door idea's to open and close, but keep the old 'get in and out of vehical' option...RB. I like the double barreled plasma turret idea, and first person does give you the real idea of shooting, just making it weaker since this vehicle is stronger.

And passengers should be able to request a dropoff by pressing B and if the pilot gets close enough to the ground they can jump off without taking TOO MUCH fall damage if they're a little higher than usual. Or the pilot (if he's nice) can land and drop he/she off or as stated above, get closer to the ground for a drop off.

[Edited on 10.13.2009 3:31 PM PDT]

  • 10.13.2009 3:29 PM PDT
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I liked the Spirit. Halo CE forever!

  • 10.13.2009 3:36 PM PDT

I Kill You Dead!

this is an awesome idea, i like the thought.

but to have this in matchmaking would be such a headache...

people who get on it that beg and scream for people to get on without an idea of what theyre doing.

your own teamate destroying it cuz he wanted to pilot.

just a mess i mean it happens with warthogs and happens a lot with the banshee

  • 10.13.2009 3:36 PM PDT

I vote we keep this thread alive because it has some good ideas.

  • 10.13.2009 3:43 PM PDT
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am i suposed to put sumtin here?

there should be a human one called the hawk that resembles a hornet but is about 3 times bigger and has two mounted chain guns on the opening of each side kind of like a black hawk (the suport helicopters they used in vietnam) it would fly much faster than the reaper but lack the protection of doors on each side, it would also be much more weaker. its crew would be a piliot,two suport gunners on each side, and 3 passengers. if it crashed into a wall it would take damage like a banshee and a warthog chain gun could take it out if it got about 15 seconds of good steady fire on it but something like a ar or smg would barley damage it, o and maybe it can hot drop its passengers like the seats can fall from the viehicle if the passengers wanted them to so what do you guys think? and like the post above me says everyone will be killing each other for a good seat but the passengers in the hawk would get an awsome basicly hev pod seat so everyone will have purpose and somthing fun to do

[Edited on 10.13.2009 4:00 PM PDT]

  • 10.13.2009 3:56 PM PDT
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am i suposed to put sumtin here?

c,mon every body this thread is friken awsome the ideas here are amazing keep it alive!

  • 10.13.2009 4:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: DootuzPIE
I liked the Spirit. Halo CE forever!


(By far the best)

  • 10.13.2009 4:06 PM PDT

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