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Subject: CTF flag bouncing
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Posted by: Redraven1992
1 i am not a noob
2 ya it gives away there possition but on a map like last resort or high ground u dont have time to catch them anyways because they move to fast and to far for u to stop them.

even if u do its so close to there spawn and to far from youres so they just continue the pull and get away.

this is just something id like fixed in reach, if that makes me a noob for disliking this then whatever



oh please they already nerfed the flag hardcore from halo 2-halo 3 I dont think I can take another nerfing....

  • 10.16.2009 11:40 PM PDT
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Yeah, because we all know that weird guys on youtube always speak the truth.

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Posting on bungie.net should require that the user has had to have read a chapter book all the way through.

Posted by: Bad Wolf Claw
Flag running is a legitimate tactic, it's not annoying and doesn't hurt the CTF gametype.


No it's cheap, and just another thing retards say when they say,

"OGM I AM MLG CUAS3 I RUNZ WITH FLAGZZZZZZ"

You're not cool, and you're not good when you do that. It ruins the game, and needs to be fixed

  • 10.17.2009 1:26 AM PDT

Posted by: DootuzPIE
Posted by: Bad Wolf Claw
Flag running is a legitimate tactic, it's not annoying and doesn't hurt the CTF gametype.


No it's cheap, and just another thing retards say when they say,

"OGM I AM MLG CUAS3 I RUNZ WITH FLAGZZZZZZ"

You're not cool, and you're not good when you do that. It ruins the game, and needs to be fixed


How can that possibly ruin a game?

All they are doing is throwing a flag, picking it up, and throwing it again. If that ruins a game, it must take little to make a good game.

Honestly, its not a big thing, if this ruins a game for you, dont play CTF game types, you can play odd ball or slayer.

Just because you dont like something doesnt mean its broken or ruins anything, it means your whining over something that has been in 2 of the games, and if it was broken, it wouldnt of made it to the second game.

And im a proud flag runner, whenever I have the flag i throw it to score faster so i can help my team win and cap faster. Its called tactics, do what you need to win, weather the other team likes it or not.

  • 10.17.2009 1:35 AM PDT

Posted by: TS AGRawr2
Posted by: DootuzPIE
Posted by: Bad Wolf Claw
Flag running is a legitimate tactic, it's not annoying and doesn't hurt the CTF gametype.


No it's cheap, and just another thing retards say when they say,

"OGM I AM MLG CUAS3 I RUNZ WITH FLAGZZZZZZ"

You're not cool, and you're not good when you do that. It ruins the game, and needs to be fixed


How can that possibly ruin a game?

All they are doing is throwing a flag, picking it up, and throwing it again. If that ruins a game, it must take little to make a good game.

Honestly, its not a big thing, if this ruins a game for you, dont play CTF game types, you can play odd ball or slayer.

Just because you dont like something doesnt mean its broken or ruins anything, it means your whining over something that has been in 2 of the games, and if it was broken, it wouldnt of made it to the second game.

And im a proud flag runner, whenever I have the flag i throw it to score faster so i can help my team win and cap faster. Its called tactics, do what you need to win, weather the other team likes it or not.


Well, maybe you want to play a CTF game, but every time you do, someone starts capturing the flag in 2 seconds, because he/she is using this tactic. It does hurt the CTF games, because as soon as someone gets a hold of the flag, they can just run at normal speed to their base in a matter of seconds. Why do you think Bungie made it so when you have the flag in your hands, you run at a slower pace?

  • 10.17.2009 2:11 AM PDT

Posted by: Mamma Mu
Posted by: TS AGRawr2
Posted by: DootuzPIE
Posted by: Bad Wolf Claw
Flag running is a legitimate tactic, it's not annoying and doesn't hurt the CTF gametype.


No it's cheap, and just another thing retards say when they say,

"OGM I AM MLG CUAS3 I RUNZ WITH FLAGZZZZZZ"

You're not cool, and you're not good when you do that. It ruins the game, and needs to be fixed


How can that possibly ruin a game?

All they are doing is throwing a flag, picking it up, and throwing it again. If that ruins a game, it must take little to make a good game.

Honestly, its not a big thing, if this ruins a game for you, dont play CTF game types, you can play odd ball or slayer.

Just because you dont like something doesnt mean its broken or ruins anything, it means your whining over something that has been in 2 of the games, and if it was broken, it wouldnt of made it to the second game.

And im a proud flag runner, whenever I have the flag i throw it to score faster so i can help my team win and cap faster. Its called tactics, do what you need to win, weather the other team likes it or not.


Well, maybe you want to play a CTF game, but every time you do, someone starts capturing the flag in 2 seconds, because he/she is using this tactic. It does hurt the CTF games, because as soon as someone gets a hold of the flag, they can just run at normal speed to their base in a matter of seconds. Why do you think Bungie made it so when you have the flag in your hands, you run at a slower pace?


I have never seen someone cap it in 2 seconds, and what you are missing is that when they do run with it, the Icon shows, and for people saying "Oh i dont see the icon cause of lag" you cant blame flag running for that, its lag. I have gotten shot more times flag running then i have walking it. Its a fair trade off.

And why do you think bungie kept it in game after halo 2? Its not like they are doing something you cant, you just choose not to for a reason no one really gets.

And how does getting a capture fast hurt a game type? I thought the point of flag was to capture the enemies flag faster then they cap yours? I guess next time ill hold the flag for 5minutes before caping once, cause any sooner would hurt them game.

But seriously, how long should it take me to cap a flag on the pit? since fast caps arent fair?

  • 10.17.2009 2:21 AM PDT

Posted by: TS AGRawr2
Posted by: Mamma Mu
Posted by: TS AGRawr2
Posted by: DootuzPIE
Posted by: Bad Wolf Claw
Flag running is a legitimate tactic, it's not annoying and doesn't hurt the CTF gametype.


No it's cheap, and just another thing retards say when they say,

"OGM I AM MLG CUAS3 I RUNZ WITH FLAGZZZZZZ"

You're not cool, and you're not good when you do that. It ruins the game, and needs to be fixed


How can that possibly ruin a game?

All they are doing is throwing a flag, picking it up, and throwing it again. If that ruins a game, it must take little to make a good game.

Honestly, its not a big thing, if this ruins a game for you, dont play CTF game types, you can play odd ball or slayer.

Just because you dont like something doesnt mean its broken or ruins anything, it means your whining over something that has been in 2 of the games, and if it was broken, it wouldnt of made it to the second game.

And im a proud flag runner, whenever I have the flag i throw it to score faster so i can help my team win and cap faster. Its called tactics, do what you need to win, weather the other team likes it or not.


Well, maybe you want to play a CTF game, but every time you do, someone starts capturing the flag in 2 seconds, because he/she is using this tactic. It does hurt the CTF games, because as soon as someone gets a hold of the flag, they can just run at normal speed to their base in a matter of seconds. Why do you think Bungie made it so when you have the flag in your hands, you run at a slower pace?


I have never seen someone cap it in 2 seconds, and what you are missing is that when they do run with it, the Icon shows, and for people saying "Oh i dont see the icon cause of lag" you cant blame flag running for that, its lag. I have gotten shot more times flag running then i have walking it. Its a fair trade off.

And why do you think bungie kept it in game after halo 2? Its not like they are doing something you cant, you just choose not to for a reason no one really gets.

And how does getting a capture fast hurt a game type? I thought the point of flag was to capture the enemies flag faster then they cap yours? I guess next time ill hold the flag for 5minutes before caping once, cause any sooner would hurt them game.

But seriously, how long should it take me to cap a flag on the pit? since fast caps arent fair?


What difference does it make if I can see where he is? I still can't catch him, because he is running at the same pace as I am.
I don't know about you, but I personally think it would be cool to be forced to work as a team to capture the flag. Where you actually have to protect the flag carrier, instead of just having him run across the map in a matter of seconds while the other team members just carry on as usual. The game would be more intense that way, instead of just hearing "flag taken" adn "flag dropped" over and over again, without the slightest change of catching the flag carrier. And besides, wouldn't it be fun to actually have to look for the flag carrier?
These are just my opinions, I know you have your own, but I'd rather play an intense CTF game than just a dull "pick up and drop the flag as fast as you can" game.

  • 10.17.2009 2:36 AM PDT

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Personally:
Run at normal speed: 6 - be invisible: 0

Very few times the flag carrier can even use stealth. Most of the time there's a huge tail of allies and enemies behind him.

Can you score a flag capture on The Pit without being seen? No.

When someone does flag running, the match is instantly ruined. The constant announcements, the short matches and the overall messiness of it.

It's as if everyone had just 1 spawn point. "If you get spawn killed, it's your fault"

  • 10.17.2009 2:56 AM PDT

I don't understand how it ruins the game. The game is still pretty fun to me.

[Edited on 10.17.2009 6:22 AM PDT]

  • 10.17.2009 6:22 AM PDT
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You never really gave good evidence as to why this should be removed. First, though, let's look at the physics of why the flag flies forward. A super soldier, who can lift a tank, elephant, etc, is carrying a (at most) 50 lbs. flag, running at probably close to 30 MPH (if you believe the books). Now when you drop the flag, its most likely because you press the RT to bring up your weapon, therefore the spartan is going to shoot (theoretically). Do you want a huge flag in your way as youre pulling out your gun? No? I dont either. Therefore the flag must fly away from the spartan in order for him to be effective. Therefore it is safe to conclude that with his speed, strength, and need to be effective in combat he throws the flag quite far.

Next, why should it be removed? Because it's annoying to hear "flag dropped, flag taken"? No reason there, mute your tv during flag games. Because it's unfair? Not really, you get to see the path s/he takes and use your knowledge of the course to cut him/her off. I'm only gunna address those two issues because they seem to be the most prevelant ones.

All in all, just because you can't stop something or find it wrong, doesnt mean it should be removed completely. Flag running (as its more commonly called, most people who played halo 2 think of collosus when someone says flag bouncing) is a very effective and great way to score a flag. It adds a different aspect to the game that makes you adapt, becoming better.

momma mu
I don't know about you, but I personally think it would be cool to be forced to work as a team to capture the flag.


here's where your argument was ruined. Just because you personally think something is ruined isnt basis for it to be removed completely. just because you dont like something doesnt mean everyone else doesnt like it. If you really want it to be removed, find evidence that it "breaks" gameplay, which you wont because it doesnt. You just think its unfair and not fun to flag run. That's cool and all, its your opinion, but just dont come on here expecting to have it removed because 50 people or so agree with you.

[Edited on 10.17.2009 6:31 AM PDT]

  • 10.17.2009 6:25 AM PDT

Even though it makes you faster it also shows the other team where you are. Also flag juggling has been in every halo game and if Bungie thought it was a problem they would have taken it out by now, so more than likely it will still be in Halo: Reach. They have even toned it down and now you can barely throw the flag in H3.

  • 10.17.2009 6:35 AM PDT

Posted by: DootuzPIE

"OGM I AM MLG CUAS3 I RUNZ WITH FLAGZZZZZZ"


Wait let me try..."ZOMG I ALwAyzZ loSe at FlAG bEcUzZ i CanT ruN Teh FlAg So i ComPlaiN ABouT it So I miGht WiN a GaMe and FinAllY GeTz mY 40!!!11!1!"

  • 10.17.2009 6:41 AM PDT

I hate the BR

yes stupid mlg pros think there all that but you know they have never had a girl soooo..... its a trade off they make

  • 10.17.2009 6:52 AM PDT

you people gotta stop saying "boo hoo stop crying l2use it....."

IT IS annoying listening to that, falg dropped, flag dropped, flag dropped........................

Guy:turn of fyour volume then!

no I wont because I need soung or it's not as fun to play.

I avoid anyone who does it. "communication, distrupting voice"

There's a reason you move slower when carrying the flag after all, i dont care if anyone says"it's a legitimate tactic bla bla"

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  • 10.17.2009 8:10 AM PDT

I am an avid gamer with a passion to keep games fun and strategy provoking, rather than simply button mashing instant-reward games that plague the market nowadays. I'm not kind, but I'm rational, fair, and maybe, just maybe, somewhat intelligent.

I think using the AR is a stupid tactic, can that be removed too?

  • 10.17.2009 9:17 AM PDT

I am an avid gamer with a passion to keep games fun and strategy provoking, rather than simply button mashing instant-reward games that plague the market nowadays. I'm not kind, but I'm rational, fair, and maybe, just maybe, somewhat intelligent.

Posted by: Pocket Syndrome
1) Nothing in Halo takes skill, just practice
2) Flag running wasn't intented to exist originally, hence, it is a glitch
3) By using it, you are exploiting a glitch. This would be the very definition of cheating in a video game.

Regardless of if you think it should be kept in Halo or not, you MUST recognize that it is a glitch that is often exploited.


Just because it wasn't intended doesn't mean it's a glitch. A glitch is a game break. The way to move a flag is not. A glitch would be the BXR, double melee, double reloading. By your definition, merging in forge is cheating.

So you're wrong, and stupid, and don't know what the term "glitch" means. Get off these already ludicrous forums.

  • 10.17.2009 9:29 AM PDT

Posted by: King Droid
Just because it wasn't intended doesn't mean it's a glitch. A glitch is a game break. The way to move a flag is not. A glitch would be the BXR, double melee, double reloading. By your definition, merging in forge is cheating.

So you're wrong, and stupid, and don't know what the term "glitch" means. Get off these already ludicrous forums.

Actually, thats not what a glitch either. Its a short lived fault in a system. Not a reocurring one.

Instead of insulting other users and hurting your own arguement, why not try to comprimise? If Flag running was balanced (in other words, make sure the flag waypoint can be seen constantly while flag running is occuring, probably by making the waypoint dissapear two seconds after the flag is picked up) then the tradeoff of stealth vs speed is clearly defined.

Otherwise in laggy conditions I'm not going to be able to see the flag waypoint at all and its just downright cheap.

  • 10.17.2009 10:21 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

I'm pretty sure that they'll figure something out. It's clear that they think the flag carrier should be slowed in speed.

I don't "flag bounce" in game because of the Golden Rule. It's frakking annoying to hear "flag dropped, flag stolen...." over and over again. Why would I subject others to that? I'll play the game the way it was designed to be played, thank you. I just wish other people would do the same.

  • 10.17.2009 10:38 AM PDT

Posted by: Shai Hulud
I'm pretty sure that they'll figure something out. It's clear that they think the flag carrier should be slowed in speed.

Indeed. And before you reply to this guy and say "But since there was flag bouncing in Halo 2 and then there was flag bouncing in Halo 3, bungie obviously intended it to be in the game" realize that this rediculous as flag bouncing isn't balanced at all.

[Edited on 10.17.2009 10:47 AM PDT]

  • 10.17.2009 10:46 AM PDT


its not cheating stupid kid.
It takes skill.


Am I the only one that lol'd hard at this statement?

How does clicking two buttons one at a time while pushing forward on the control stick take skill.

  • 10.17.2009 11:00 AM PDT

I only find flag running useful in gametypes like MLG and Team Throwback, the only reason why is because of the fast return times.
In standard CTF games, the return time is a lot slower, and that combined with Flag running could be considered cheap, because not only can they run fast, but it also takes a longer time for the Flag to reset.
I would say allow Flag Running in CTF and Team Throwback (or any CTF with a fast return time) and with standard CTF games, implement a new system for carrying the flag, whatever neutralizes this problem.

  • 10.17.2009 11:23 AM PDT

I'm out.

Posted by: Yum Biscuit Man

its not cheating stupid kid.
It takes skill.


Am I the only one that lol'd hard at this statement?

How does clicking two buttons one at a time while pushing forward on the control stick take skill.


If that's how you run the flag, you're doing it wrong.

  • 10.17.2009 11:26 AM PDT

Posted by: halo2jumper
Posted by: MLD ShortStuff
"Oho, I'm a PrO sKiLlEd MLG pLaYa who flag runs, so I'm going to disagree with this guy cause I can't score the flag any other way".
Stop the BS please people. It cheats the system. When you're holding the flag you run slower in the default Halo 3 gametypes. Sure call both of us "noobs" (look up the definition of "newb" for me would you) but that doesn't change the situation. It just makes you feel better about yourselves. I personally agree with the OP and think that flag running should be abolished in Reach.


its not cheating stupid kid.
It takes skill.



so your saying dropping a flag, and then picking it up repeatedly takes "skill"? Right trigger, then right bumper does not take skill.

  • 10.17.2009 12:07 PM PDT

sigh*
wow why dont we just scrap CTF all together because there are too many people who do not have any vaild arguements at all. I see too many people making excuses saying its the engine, its a glitch, its annoying, oh no its the BR and blah blah blah. Ok 1st off Bungie stated in the early Halo 2 days before the 1st patch is that they want players to be able to throw the flag to other players to promote "TeamWork". They didnt fix it after, it was kept
so thats saying something
2nd and this is the proof that should end this thread

If im a friggin super human soldier who takes on the -blam!- universe againist low odds fighting a crazy genocidal alien army... I think should be able to throw and toss around a 10 pound flag

and physics perspective... its possible -_-

this is no casual gamer standpoint or compettitive player stand point
its common sense

[Edited on 10.17.2009 12:26 PM PDT]

  • 10.17.2009 12:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: MLD ShortStuff
In response to Mr. WhatsHisFace (Halo2Jumper or whatever) up top:
So, I'm not "skilled" because I find that a certain tactic is unfair and so I don't use it?
Edit here we go the two definitions asked for in this topic:
Noob: Noun: 1. someone who is new to a group, place, activity, etc.
Skill: Noun: 1. the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well.


You're not skilled because you're a captain grade 3.
And a 2 in MLG.
You most likely suck at it, thus, wanting to remove it.

I don't see how flag dribbling is bad? It still disables the person from shooting at you, and you know where it is.
And waiting 2 seconds after someone drops the flag? That's the most idiotic thing i have ever heard.

If anything it makes it easier to catch the flag guy, and how does flag dribbling make it harder to return? Really? Explain this.

Everyone that has posted wanting to remove the flag dribbling is bad.
How wasn't flag running not supposed to be in it? It was in Halo 2, no one complained, and now it's in Halo 3. If it was really a problem they would have removed it.

Just get good, stop complaining, and turn off the volume on your TV if you hate it so much. There is nothing wrong with it other than the voice, and it's really not that annoying. You're just frustrated that they are about to capture it on you.

Flag running is not a glitch, obviously. It's just picking up and dropping a flag, to go faster, how is this a glitch? If it really was a glitch, they would have removed it after Halo 2.

[Edited on 10.17.2009 2:35 PM PDT]

  • 10.17.2009 2:30 PM PDT