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Subject: CTF flag bouncing
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Posted by: CookieMan
Flag juggling has been around since Halo CE

When you could see the flag carrier at all times, he could drive a vehicle, an did not move slower while holding the flag.

Yup, sure a good reason to flag juggle.

In Halo CE it existed because you could throw the flag pretty far. It's better to throw it because then you can have your gun out and be ready to shoot back rather than be a sitting duck.

Also, I think it was the team TDT who managed to capture flags on Battle Creek in either 5 or 7 seconds, through the use of teleporters and throwing. Flag juggling definitely had its uses in Halo CE.

  • 10.19.2009 10:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: sweetgirl12
Posted by: SilentStorm20
Posted by: sweetgirl12
Are you dumb i told you a number of times already the only way to test it is if bungie test it.
which is one of the many things i can't do.
Bungie has to test it!
Hence we find out what they learned when reach comes out.

That's not what I asked.

I simply want to know what your definition of the word "balance" is.

You used the word before, surely you know what it means?


Definition: equalized.


You know that you can throw the flag too.

OH MY GOD I JUST ACCIDENTALLY

  • 10.19.2009 10:31 PM PDT

How to spell "space"?

S-P-ACE! SPACE!

A way Bungie could fix the flag transfer idea would be to make it so a certain player could not pick up the flag for a certain amount of time.

  • 10.19.2009 10:33 PM PDT

Posted by: militaryguns (Hunler116)
Shut the hell up, Halo is my world

I believe I just became clinically retarded after reading this.

  • 10.19.2009 10:33 PM PDT

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

Posted by: Lies
Posted by: xAssault12x

No one is saying that you shouldn't be able to throw the flag. We all want to be able to throw the flag to team mates on a high ledge or whatever. We just don't want flag running in the game because it was never intended to be in the game. The whole point of the flag guy moving really slow is that he is vulnerable and the other team can catch up.
How do you know that it wasn't intended? There is an obvious trade off, speed vs stealth. If Bungie felt it was an exploit and didn't want it in their game they would have removed it, flag running has been around since Halo CE.


People argue that when you flag run you ar announcing your position to everyone and that is a downside. Really??? When have you ever been in a game when you didn't know at least what part of the map or what path the flag was being taken??? I have never not known where the flag was going and Halo maps are not big. There is only like 3 ways to take a flag on any map. Not to mention some maps are small.
Which is exactly why juggling the flag is usually a better option than holding onto it. You can occasionally juke out the other team by not dropping it but that is rare. Juggling is almost always a better tactic which is why good teams employ it.


The flag carrier is ment to run slow in order to give the defending team a chance to save their flag. Flag running is just like super bouncing, BXR, BXB, and Standby from Halo 2. It is a way to cheat the game to try and win. Flag running makes CTF on small maps lame. If I die defending the flag and the other team gets the flag and starts flag running they usualy get the flag half way accross the map or more before I even respawn. It is an unfair exploitation of the game that cheapens the experience for people who play fair games.
It is not at all like button glitches because those are exactly what they sound like, glitches. Flag juggling is not a glitch or an exploit, because once again if Bungie didn't intend for it to be in their game it would have been removed.


I'm a legit 45. I NEVER flag run and still capture the flag because I am a better player. Use skill and not cheap -blam!- tactics.
You won't cap it against a good team without flag running. Limiting your available options because you somehow feel that designs in game are cheap does not make you a better player, it only hurts you.


How do I know it wasn't intended?

Easy... IT IS ANNOYING AS HELL!!! No Bungie employee would have sat through all those FLAG TAKEN, FLAG DROPPED, FLAG TAKEN, FLAG DROPPED, FLAG TAKEN FLAG DROPPED, and just left it and said yea I like an annoying announcer screaming at me every second.

Juggling the flag and running it are two COMPLETELY different things. When juggling you have to jump and release the flag then pick it up when you land before you fly past it. Much harder then just continualy hitting the same button. I would be fine with juggling because it is hard to do. flag running is for noobs.

Bungie probably has no way to remove flag running from Halo 3. There are some things they just might not be able to change. Maybe they don't caar about it and son't think it is a big deal. No idea why it is still there but I don't want it in Halo Reach.

And guess what. I capture the flag all the time without running it. It is easy to do. You just have to be smart and drop it when the other team comes after you. DUH. Easy as hell to capture the flag against any team as long as you are smart.

Limiting my options makes me a better player. I am a 45 without using all the stupid tactics. That meens that anyone who is also a 45 but used all those tactics would never be able to beat me in a legit fight. I play legit games and win. It is harder to win when playing fair. That fact that I am a 45 proves how good I am. I don't use the stupid -blam!- tactics and I am still a high level.

  • 10.19.2009 10:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: xAssault12x
Whoa there big guy, you don't have to go in a nerd rage just because I disagree with you.

OBVIOUSLY vehicles were ment to be in the game so don't try to use legit stuff to try and fight my point because you know I'm right. If flag running was supposed to be in the game then why is it annoying as hell when it happens??? I'm pretty sure Bungie would have went...WOW that's annoying, we need to change it so that when someone flag runs it isn't going to be so annoying.
What do vehicles have to do with anything? If you are trying to say that vehicles should be used to cap flags, well maps like The Pit that don't have vehicles shut down your idea. Also, your idea of what is annoying isn't shared with everyone else. Personally, I don't find the announcer annoying at all and neither does anyone I play with.


Things like flag running were never ment to be a part of Halo. GET OVER THAT AND LET IT GO! You are trying to hold on to some stupid tactic that is not supposed to be in the game. You probly like BXR and BXB and Superbouncing didn't you? I bet you would glitch or mod if you could too.
I'm sorry, but you are completely wrong, and pounding on your keyboard with caps lock on like a seven year old does not make your misguided opinion any better. If flag running wasn't supposed to be in this game, Bungie would have removed it. It has been in since the beginning of Halo, if you honestly believe that Bungie couldn't come up with a solution in 6 years then you are seriously insulting their intelligence.

Also, lol at you trying to turn this into a personal attack saying that I support cheating. You obviously have no argument so you have to resort mindlessly posting whatever negative comment pops up in your brain, no matter how weak or how much of a non sequitur it is. That's okay, I don't expect people like you to be able to keep up.


So if there is a way to cheat the game then I should do it right? Ok then I should be able to mod and make my BR shoot sniper rounds that seek out your face and kill you. My warthog should fly and shoot heat seeking missiles. I should be able to glitch out of maps and super bounce and run faster then everyone too.

By your argument Halo should be a battle of who has better mods or glitches. Way to be really smart and bring up a dumb point. Things that are not ment to be in the game and diminish the experience for legit players should be removed.

The entire rest of your argument is just childish hyperbole, you take my support of a legitimate tactic and try to twist it to make it sound like I support cheating, a ridiculous notion because I can pretty much guarantee that I have been cheated in this game more times than you.

You simply cannot claim that flag running wasn't intended when it has been in the series since the beginning. There is no way for you to get past that point.

[Edited on 10.19.2009 10:45 PM PDT]

  • 10.19.2009 10:42 PM PDT

I'm xAssault12x, and I love the Halo Universe. Discussion please!

Flag running is unique to Halo 3.

Halo CE had flag juggling. You had to throw the flag by jumping and releasing it then grabing it quickly once you hit the ground. That was hard to do going around corners and obstacles.

Halo 2 was similar but slightly different. You still had to throw the flag but it didn't go as far. Simply dropping the flag and picking it back up didn't work. You would run right past it. You had to juggle the flag like in Halo CE.

Enter Halo 3. I can just continualy drop and pick up the flag without loosing speed or without passing it by. That is flag running.

Flag running is lame and requires no skill at all... I think Bungie was attempting to build on the juggling done in Halo CE and Halo 2 but ultimately failed.

I never credited Bungie with much brains. They haven't had any original ideas since Halo CE. Halo 2, Halo 3, and Halo 3 ODST were all just attempts at copying Halo CE.

You argued that if someone with a flag used vehicles to score then I should kill them because they are moving to fast. I simply pointed out that vehicles are obviously ment to be in the game and used to capture flags, and on small maps without vehicles then you just have to be smart and maybe drop the flag to fight. Juggling would be ok, but flag running is lame.

I am frustrated at people who defend flag running because it is a noob strategy. Anyone can do it, it requires no skill, and it is annoying to most people. Go back to flag juggling like in Halo CE. That required skill.

Flag juggling has been a part of Halo since the beginning but flag running is a stupid new creating in Halo 3 that needs to be removed.

  • 10.19.2009 10:59 PM PDT

bungie has proven that a bunch of monkeys sitting in front of keyboards can randomly type out a masterpiece. the thing is, when you go to play the masterpiece, you cant help but notice all the monkey s**t smeared all over it.

it gets real old having to wait months for someone like mlg to clean off all the monkey poo.

Posted by: xAssault12x
We just don't want flag running in the game because it was never intended to be in the game. The whole point of the flag guy moving really slow is that he is vulnerable and the other team can catch up.
Posted by: eraseme
your absolutely right. every time i see my teams flag guy get on a mongoose or warthog, i teamkill him because that was never intended to be in the game. he knows hes supposed to move at 90% speed, and if he tries to go faster by exploiting the system, hes going to pay and im going to run the flag right back to their base, or toss it off the nearest cliff.

I'm a legit 45. I NEVER flag run and still capture the flag because I am a better player. Use skill and not cheap -blam!- tactics.
Posted by: eraseme
i couldnt agree more. if a tactic is not immediately obvious, it must be an oversight on bungie's part and cheap.




Posted by: xAssault12x
OBVIOUSLY vehicles were ment to be in the game so don't try to use legit stuff to try and fight my point because you know I'm right. If flag running was supposed to be in the game then why is it annoying as hell when it happens??? I'm pretty sure Bungie would have went...WOW that's annoying, we need to change it so that when someone flag runs it isn't going to be so annoying.


thats your opinion. i find it annoying that half the time when your flag gets taken the announcer doesnt bother to tell you. i like that when the flag is getting juggled your darn sure its gone. but what about tossing the oddball off the map? is that cheating? by your logic it must be, because its annoying to kill the team but be unable to get anything useful from it since you have to wait for the ball to spawn.

Posted by: xAssault12x
Things like flag running were never ment to be a part of Halo. GET OVER THAT AND LET IT GO! You are trying to hold on to some stupid tactic that is not supposed to be in the game. You probly like BXR and BXB and Superbouncing didn't you?


soo, how come after 3 halo games i can still flag juggle?
of course i liked bxr and bxb. it added more options to the player in cqc, each with its own advantages and disadvantages. bungie cut these features after 2 games. so what? as for superbouncing, it both hurt gameplay by breaking most gametypes, and was unfair as it was unavailable to anyone on pal60 xboxes.

Posted by: xAssault12x
I bet you would glitch or mod if you could too. So if there is a way to cheat the game then I should do it right? Ok then I should be able to mod and make my BR shoot sniper rounds that seek out your face and kill you. My warthog should fly and shoot heat seeking missiles. I should be able to glitch out of maps and super bounce and run faster then everyone too.

By your argument Halo should be a battle of who has better mods or glitches. Way to be really smart and bring up a dumb point. Things that are not ment to be in the game and diminish the experience for legit players should be removed.


sorry, modding is against the tos.point 5, bullet 13
"exploit a bug, or make an unauthorized modification, to any software or data to gain unfair advantage in a game , contest, or promotion."

kids these days. never reading what they agree to.

[Edited on 10.19.2009 11:42 PM PDT]

  • 10.19.2009 11:19 PM PDT

How to spell "space"?

S-P-ACE! SPACE!

Yup. Micro$oft sums it up there pretty well.

  • 10.19.2009 11:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: xAssault12x
Flag running is unique to Halo 3.

Halo CE had flag juggling. You had to throw the flag by jumping and releasing it then grabing it quickly once you hit the ground. That was hard to do going around corners and obstacles.

Halo 2 was similar but slightly different. You still had to throw the flag but it didn't go as far. Simply dropping the flag and picking it back up didn't work. You would run right past it. You had to juggle the flag like in Halo CE.

Enter Halo 3. I can just continualy drop and pick up the flag without loosing speed or without passing it by. That is flag running.


LOL....


Let me read that again...

LOL

Why are you even commenting on -blam!- that you know absolutely nothing about? I'm sure you know oh so much about flag running with your 37 games of Halo 2 that were played 1 1/2 years after H3 was released. Its not even a question of whether or not you played CE, its just a matter of getting you to admit that at the most you played some of the campaign. Flag running was 10x easier in the previous two Halos. You could throw the thing like 30 feet in front of you as if the flag were a javelin in the previous two games.

Flag running in Halo 2 was ridiculous. Take midship for example. If you didn't want to take the easy pass of the flag to top mid to a teammate who could score it by jumping into your base in a total of about 5 seconds, you could almost throw it into your bases bottom door from the pick up point of the other teams flag. Lets not forget that since you don't have to worry about picking up the flag any time soon because its going to take you some time to run the distance you threw it you actually have the ability to fight and juggle the flag at the same time.

Lets say instead of doing either of those you actually decide to run it. All you had to do was look up while you are running the flag and it works just as good as it does in Halo 3.

  • 10.20.2009 10:20 AM PDT

Hi I'm RT and I like to argue!

Posted by: xAssault12x
How do I know it wasn't intended?

Easy... IT IS ANNOYING AS HELL!!! No Bungie employee would have sat through all those FLAG TAKEN, FLAG DROPPED, FLAG TAKEN, FLAG DROPPED, FLAG TAKEN FLAG DROPPED, and just left it and said yea I like an annoying announcer screaming at me every second.
I guess Bungie didn't intend for us to challenge and take the hill in KotH, either.

  • 10.20.2009 10:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: AquaBlader
CTF is god. Praise his name. For the flag is his holy messiah.

Posted by: Bricypoo Nobody quotes me and puts me in their signatures It makes me sad ... :(
My third montage!

I think I've decided these anti-flag juggling/dribbling threads are just very subtle yet poor troll threads. It's not exploit. It's built into the game. Is there really anything else to say?

  • 10.20.2009 11:07 AM PDT

Hi I'm RT and I like to argue!

Posted by: Agent Peeps
I think I've decided these anti-flag juggling/dribbling threads are just very subtle yet poor troll threads. It's not exploit. It's built into the game. Is there really anything else to say?
Apparently, or we wouldn't be on page two.

The people who start the threads (at least, this one in particular) are just as astonished that there is an opposing viewpoint as you, hence the thread. Know your enemy, and all that. :-P

  • 10.20.2009 11:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: AquaBlader
CTF is god. Praise his name. For the flag is his holy messiah.

Posted by: Bricypoo Nobody quotes me and puts me in their signatures It makes me sad ... :(
My third montage!

Posted by: RighteousTyrant
Posted by: Agent Peeps
I think I've decided these anti-flag juggling/dribbling threads are just very subtle yet poor troll threads. It's not exploit. It's built into the game. Is there really anything else to say?
Apparently, or we wouldn't be on page two.

The people who start the threads (at least, this one in particular) are just as astonished that there is an opposing viewpoint as you, hence the thread. Know your enemy, and all that. :-P
LOL I suppose you're right RT, it just seems so ludicrous that there are actually people opposed to this and better yet they think it's an exploit. Sorry to those of you that believe this but I just don't understand.

EDIT: Here for those you that may not have seen it. It's the most definitive answer I've seen so far. No he's not an "actual" bungie employee but it's close enough in my opinion.

Fomans take on flag juggling

[Edited on 10.20.2009 11:21 AM PDT]

  • 10.20.2009 11:17 AM PDT

Don't hate... ...loathe.

Posted by: Agent Peeps
I think I've decided these anti-flag juggling/dribbling threads are just very subtle yet poor troll threads. It's not exploit. It's built into the game. Is there really anything else to say?


We could steer the argument into a discusion about changing how the "FLAG DROPPED...FLAG CAPTURED" anouncement is done (other than mute). Thats why a lot of peaple hate it, thats why I don't like it.

I sugest adding a waypoint to the person after they pick it up that tell the distance to the flag carryer for a short time period after the pickup and a on radar indicatior.

  • 10.20.2009 11:19 AM PDT

Intoxicated Warthawg driver for Hire
Posted by: AquaBlader
CTF is god. Praise his name. For the flag is his holy messiah.

Posted by: Bricypoo Nobody quotes me and puts me in their signatures It makes me sad ... :(
My third montage!

Posted by: Rambohagen
Posted by: Agent Peeps
I think I've decided these anti-flag juggling/dribbling threads are just very subtle yet poor troll threads. It's not exploit. It's built into the game. Is there really anything else to say?


We could steer the argument into a discussion about changing how the "FLAG DROPPED...FLAG CAPTURED" announcement is done (other than mute). Thats why a lot of people hate it, thats why I don't like it.

I suggest adding a waypoint to the person after they pick it up that tell the distance to the flag carrier for a short time period after the pickup and a on radar indicator.
That I can understand but I honestly I find it hilarious especially when the flag is being juggled so quickly the announcer doesn't keep up and you get a "FLAG TAKEN" twice in a row. But I'm weird and find things like that hilarious.

  • 10.20.2009 11:23 AM PDT

I don't want to join your group.

"In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be understood by everyone, something that no one ever knew before. But in poetry, it's the exact opposite." - Paul Dirac

LOL, this is still going?

Every argument against flag juggling reduces to a simpleminded, emotional tantrum. Nothing more.

  • 10.20.2009 11:39 AM PDT

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  • 10.20.2009 11:55 AM PDT
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Who is this crazy darkpig guy anyway?

I like Halo3 but if flag bouncing is the way other players do it then I'll do it too but if I don't have to do it then I'm a happy guy. I would rather be avoiding snipers than pressing two buttons so I hope Bungie fixes it.

  • 10.20.2009 9:08 PM PDT

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You don't run faster when you hold the flag so it doesn't do anything except annoy the defenders with the "Flag dropped/Flag Stolen", but it also lets the defenders see which way you're going because of the waypoints so I guess it helps the defenders more than the attackers

  • 10.20.2009 9:11 PM PDT

*Bobfather17*

It's a trade off that they kept in because people liked it in Halo 2. The only thing I think they have to do is make a *flag running* announcement that will stop flag grab/drop until it stops for 3 seconds. And maybe leave the last known flag location up for a second or so (debatable).

  • 10.20.2009 9:18 PM PDT

(;3=

Posted by: westpointusma15
You don't run faster when you hold the flag so it doesn't do anything except annoy the defenders with the "Flag dropped/Flag Stolen", but it also lets the defenders see which way you're going because of the waypoints so I guess it helps the defenders more than the attackers


This ^^^^^^(summed up) it has advantages and its disadvantages

  • 10.20.2009 9:22 PM PDT

FINISH THE FIGHT

Posted by: Bad Wolf Claw
Flag running is a legitimate tactic, it's not annoying and doesn't hurt the CTF gametype.


bull-blam!- it's aknowing as -blam!- and i kill my teammates or the other teams flag carrier that does it i -blam!- hate it

  • 10.20.2009 9:23 PM PDT

(;3=

wow your cool going to kill your team mates for it now whos being a douche the people flag running or you. thats really "aknowing" of you

[Edited on 10.20.2009 9:27 PM PDT]

  • 10.20.2009 9:25 PM PDT

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Are their actually people who don't run the flag?

The only time I run slow is when I know that someone is right near me. Then I usually crouch for ninja effect.


Posted by: RedAceX
..... and i kill my teammate the flag carrier that does it i -blam!- hate it.....


I love booting people like you. Then I'll send you a message like "See what Happens?"

[Edited on 10.20.2009 9:34 PM PDT]

  • 10.20.2009 9:32 PM PDT