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Posted by: Slayer706
Try this argument in a courtroom and see where you go:

"I don't consider theft a crime because it is easy to accomplish. Don't be hating on me judge just because you don't have the skill to do it!"

Posted by: Karyotic
I was debating as to if I should post on here or not and decided to. First off removing it seems pointless and stupid, it would slow game play down for one. Second everyone saying it wasint intended, if they didnt want it to be possible it wouldint be. They greatly reduced the effectiveness from the previous two games and as I just stated if they didnt want it to be possible you wouldint be able to do it. When people started hiding to win games Bungie didnt like it so they got rid of it. When everyone started the modded screenshot craze Bungie didnt like it and put an end to it. Now i've seen some people complain about the anoyying sound, I laugh at that its not even that anoyying. I suppose you probly get sick of hearing your gun fire and the gain the lead sound too. Most the kids who are complaining about this, and I mean no offense to you. Are players in the lower ranks who I'm assuming find it difficult to keep up with higher skilled players using this tactic. Then theres the issue you say its unbalanced lets look at a few aspects of Halo 3 that are clearly unfair or unbalanced. The beat down system is mediocre at best, There are many equipment items I would consider to be unbalanced such as Regen or Power Drain. Its completely fine to be able to hit X once and down an entire teams sheilds in a matter of seconds, yet you say its unfair to run a flag at a slightly faster pace then normal. Also Bungie fixes Unbalanced issues I'm sure we all used the Hornet before it got nerfed. I never heard you complain about that being unbalanced even though it clearly was. Also I have to get this out now to the kid who said the br is overpowered you made me almost die laughing, I dont see how a weapon that requires you to lead your shots depending on range is overpowered. Yet I'm almost certain you hit Y instantly for that Ar which takes no skill to aim and can be used to drop shields like a power drainer at close range.
Now onto your other points, you claim that it ruins games and makes it now I quote you on this "Too hard to catch the flag runner"I didnt know playing against real humans not dumb Ai's was suppose to be easy. If your finding a player or team hard could it not be for the fact that maybe just maybe they are superior in skill to you. Then theres your point about how it takes no skill what so ever, yes it is easy to run the flag. However there are many players who can run it much faster and better than others and that does take skill. Also how is this tactic any diffrent than any others in halo, players do this to be able to capture and win. Thats the same motive most the kids on this forums have or you wouldint play. Camping around corners with shotguns, swords, hiding and camping in bubble shields are all tactics I see used commonly by mostly players from this forum. Now I find those to take no skill what so ever so should they be removed too? In the end its a way to play the game, a way to get an advantage, to get the upper hand and win, is that not the point of the game? You can say im a Br noob, call me a hardcore gamer, mlg nerd or something like most people from b.net. That would make you look like a kid in my eyes though, you could say you dont play this game to win ect like i've seen before. Which if that is the case pick up a diffrent game. You can say you play for fun not to be competitive but the fact is your playing a FPS against other players that in itself is competitive no matter what your playing. When the object of the game is to beat the other players you have competition simple as that. If theres any points I missed or you dont think I destroyed enough please send me a personal message and I will gladly re-read my post and demolish them. Im just amazed that people complain about this when there are clearly much bigger issues, why complain about this and call it cheating when there are kids Host booting, Lag Switching, Bridging and everything else. What it all comes down to and dont take offense, is that you have most likely gotten beat by this tactic by and listen to this last part, superior players. This gives you a quicker flag route which is smart if you can capitalize on it, and lets face it Halo 3 usually comes down to Smarts and Teamwork.


Dude. Paragraphs. PARAGRAPHS.

  • 10.21.2009 10:23 PM PDT

Posted by: Redraven1992
1 i am not a noob
2 ya it gives away there possition but on a map like last resort or high ground u dont have time to catch them anyways because they move to fast and to far for u to stop them.

even if u do its so close to there spawn and to far from youres so they just continue the pull and get away.

this is just something id like fixed in reach, if that makes me a noob for disliking this then whatever




if your scrubby a$$ would pick up a snipe, laser cannon, or god forbid a br, instead of chasing the flag down with an AR, it might not be a problem

  • 10.21.2009 10:30 PM PDT

wow are bungie kids really still -blam!-ing about this. i have not read one reason why flag running is cheap. its a fair tactic so just stop talking. and tell me redraven1992 and everyone who agrees with him, are you that ignorant or just plaine stupid

[Edited on 10.21.2009 10:42 PM PDT]

  • 10.21.2009 10:41 PM PDT

Posted by: MLD ShortStuff
"Oho, I'm a PrO sKiLlEd MLG pLaYa who flag runs, so I'm going to disagree with this guy cause I can't score the flag any other way".
Stop the BS please people. It cheats the system. When you're holding the flag you run slower in the default Halo 3 gametypes. Sure call both of us "noobs" (look up the definition of "newb" for me would you) but that doesn't change the situation. It just makes you feel better about yourselves. I personally agree with the OP and think that flag running should be abolished in Reach.


seriously? are you -blam!- retarded? Quote - "When you're holding the flag you run slower in the default Halo3 gametypes"

DUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHH

HELOOOOOOOOOOOO giant marker on the map that shows were the flag is!? did we forget about that? it goes away, and in return for being !!!!invisible!!!!! you run a bit slower!

16 pages!? ima be here allllllllllllllll night.

  • 10.21.2009 10:41 PM PDT

Posted by: ericstifer
this is a similar case to the battle rifle problem...i hate the BR but i still use it, you have to. if you try to play a game with out using a BR you will get dominated. i dont really like the whole flag dropping tactic but i still use it...you have too.


basically this quote says, i hate this game, if i dont play the game with common sense, i.e. using more powerful weapons then what i spawn with, ill lose.

seriously? go play a different game dumb ass, that makes no sense, hi im ericstifer, ima go play a game, and -blam!- that certain things should change because i dont like them though they make perfect sense but ima still play the game

  • 10.21.2009 10:48 PM PDT

Posted by: Lil Demon76
Bungie could just make it so that when you drop the flag not by dieing it automaticly returns to the base, but I still think "flag bouncing" should be allowed.


really? did ur parents drop u down some stairs?

  • 10.21.2009 10:56 PM PDT

Posted by: CookieMan
Posted by: Bad Wolf Claw
Flag running is a legitimate tactic, it's not annoying and doesn't hurt the CTF gametype.

Do you assume Bungie wanted you to be able to be able to move at normal speed? They made the flag carrier slower for a reason.


really? again, giant marker on the map that shows everyone where ur ass is goes away if u walk slow, appears if u run it, if u cant see it on ur tv, BUY A BETTER TV

  • 10.21.2009 11:03 PM PDT

Posted by: xAssault12x
I am a legit 45 and I never use -blam!- strategies like flag running. I pick the flag up and just run like I'm supposed to. Flag running takes NO skill. Anyone can do it. All you do is just push a couple buttons really fast. People say it is legit because there is a down side that people can allways see where you are. That is not true. If there is the slightest bit of lag in a game then the flag symbol never shows up on my screen.

The flag carrier is supposed to run slow and be vulnerable in order to give the defending team a chance to catch up. If Bungie ment for flag running to be in the game then why bother to make someone run slow with the flag? No point.

Flag running is for people who are way too concerned about their rank. It is just another way to cheat the game to get your rank higher. I never did it and I am a 45. I play people all the time who are 45s and suck at Halo unless they do -blam!- stuff like flag running. I win in a legit game.

Flag running and anything like it is just like standbying, superbouncing, and BXRing in Halo 2. The people who defend these things are the same people that would suck without them. Half my friends never had a chance against me in Halo 2 unless they BXR and superbounced. Same stuff happens in Halo 3. Play the game like it was ment to be played. We all know there are dumb little things that we can do to cheat the game but doing that just makes the game suck. BXR, BXB, Standy, and Superbounce ruined Halo 2 for all the people who like to play a good honest game. Don't be lame and try to ruin Halo 3.


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  • 10.21.2009 11:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: CookieMan
Posted by: Bad Wolf Claw
Flag running is a legitimate tactic, it's not annoying and doesn't hurt the CTF gametype.

Do you assume Bungie wanted you to be able to be able to move at normal speed? They made the flag carrier slower for a reason.


really? again, giant marker on the map that shows everyone where ur ass is goes away if u walk slow, appears if u run it, if u cant see it on ur tv, BUY A BETTER TV


Yeah, and the motion sensor covers the whole map.

I have yet to see the waypoint marker appear when someone's running while outside of my motion tracker.

If you don't like what people are saying and can't contribute to this thread in any positive way, stay out of it. No, contributing in a positive way is not calling people things just because they have ideas, opinions and facts.

Wow, you do multipost alot.

[Edited on 10.21.2009 11:14 PM PDT]

  • 10.21.2009 11:14 PM PDT

Posted by: Redraven1992
well on topic what are ways we can prevent flag bouncing or juggling or WHATEVER those "pro's" wanna call there loop holes and gliches?

ive gone back through and believe that the cant pick up the flag for 2 seconds after it was dropped is the best cause well this allow's for the flag to move around and fall of of a bridge and be all wavy but constrics flag bouncing and other abusive stuff.


ok.... situation....... kid comes at me, im running flag, weapon i have is a snipe, i get a quick no scope beatdown. i have no shield. now i have to stand where nades are probably being thrown for 2 seconds. GREAT IDEA

  • 10.21.2009 11:14 PM PDT

if there was any intelligence in this entire thread. id shut my mouth. look how many posts i have. ive had this account for years. ur retarded!

  • 10.21.2009 11:15 PM PDT

Posted by: ZeroSh1ft
and this is how competitive games lose their pacing. casual gamers :(


this.

  • 10.21.2009 11:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: ix fishy xi
if there was any intelligence in this entire thread. id shut my mouth. look how many posts i have. ive had this account for years. ur retarded!


You're not contributing on that part either.

1: I've had my account longer than you have had yours.
2: I only found two pages of posts you made on this site with that account. Your first post posted 11.12.2007, the date you joined.

You're just bumping a thread you don't like and calling people things. Way to go.

  • 10.21.2009 11:21 PM PDT

SOMEBODY CALL THE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE :( :(

  • 10.21.2009 11:26 PM PDT

Its a trap!!!

Posted by: Karyotic
I was debating as to if I should post on here or not and decided to. First off removing it seems pointless and stupid, it would slow game play down for one. Second everyone saying it wasint intended, if they didnt want it to be possible it wouldint be. They greatly reduced the effectiveness from the previous two games and as I just stated if they didnt want it to be possible you wouldint be able to do it. When people started hiding to win games Bungie didnt like it so they got rid of it. When everyone started the modded screenshot craze Bungie didnt like it and put an end to it. Now i've seen some people complain about the anoyying sound, I laugh at that its not even that anoyying. I suppose you probly get sick of hearing your gun fire and the gain the lead sound too. Most the kids who are complaining about this, and I mean no offense to you. Are players in the lower ranks who I'm assuming find it difficult to keep up with higher skilled players using this tactic. Then theres the issue you say its unbalanced lets look at a few aspects of Halo 3 that are clearly unfair or unbalanced. The beat down system is mediocre at best, There are many equipment items I would consider to be unbalanced such as Regen or Power Drain. Its completely fine to be able to hit X once and down an entire teams sheilds in a matter of seconds, yet you say its unfair to run a flag at a slightly faster pace then normal. Also Bungie fixes Unbalanced issues I'm sure we all used the Hornet before it got nerfed. I never heard you complain about that being unbalanced even though it clearly was. Also I have to get this out now to the kid who said the br is overpowered you made me almost die laughing, I dont see how a weapon that requires you to lead your shots depending on range is overpowered. Yet I'm almost certain you hit Y instantly for that Ar which takes no skill to aim and can be used to drop shields like a power drainer at close range.
Now onto your other points, you claim that it ruins games and makes it now I quote you on this "Too hard to catch the flag runner"I didnt know playing against real humans not dumb Ai's was suppose to be easy. If your finding a player or team hard could it not be for the fact that maybe just maybe they are superior in skill to you. Then theres your point about how it takes no skill what so ever, yes it is easy to run the flag. However there are many players who can run it much faster and better than others and that does take skill. Also how is this tactic any diffrent than any others in halo, players do this to be able to capture and win. Thats the same motive most the kids on this forums have or you wouldint play. Camping around corners with shotguns, swords, hiding and camping in bubble shields are all tactics I see used commonly by mostly players from this forum. Now I find those to take no skill what so ever so should they be removed too? In the end its a way to play the game, a way to get an advantage, to get the upper hand and win, is that not the point of the game? You can say im a Br noob, call me a hardcore gamer, mlg nerd or something like most people from b.net. That would make you look like a kid in my eyes though, you could say you dont play this game to win ect like i've seen before. Which if that is the case pick up a diffrent game. You can say you play for fun not to be competitive but the fact is your playing a FPS against other players that in itself is competitive no matter what your playing. When the object of the game is to beat the other players you have competition simple as that. If theres any points I missed or you dont think I destroyed enough please send me a personal message and I will gladly re-read my post and demolish them. Im just amazed that people complain about this when there are clearly much bigger issues, why complain about this and call it cheating when there are kids Host booting, Lag Switching, Bridging and everything else. What it all comes down to and dont take offense, is that you have most likely gotten beat by this tactic by and listen to this last part, superior players. This gives you a quicker flag route which is smart if you can capitalize on it, and lets face it Halo 3 usually comes down to Smarts and Teamwork.


couldn't of said it any better then myself. The equipment are much more unbalanced then anything. I think the only one i like is a grav lift.. tripmine is ok in vehicle maps. But the Regen, Bubble, and Drainer take no skill

Examples: "yay I am out shooting this kid.. he throws a regen. Now all my shooting means nothing and he can win" very skilles that get out of jail free card is

Oh no I am going to get shot down... let me throw a bubble out and wip my shotgun out

Yay i can press X and take away every ones shields I must be a halo genius

Oh one word of advice great post but seperate your text every now and then it makes it easier on everyones eyes and more likely that everyone will read it

  • 10.21.2009 11:27 PM PDT

Its a trap!!!

Posted by: ix fishy xi
Posted by: Redraven1992
well on topic what are ways we can prevent flag bouncing or juggling or WHATEVER those "pro's" wanna call there loop holes and gliches?

ive gone back through and believe that the cant pick up the flag for 2 seconds after it was dropped is the best cause well this allow's for the flag to move around and fall of of a bridge and be all wavy but constrics flag bouncing and other abusive stuff.


ok.... situation....... kid comes at me, im running flag, weapon i have is a snipe, i get a quick no scope beatdown. i have no shield. now i have to stand where nades are probably being thrown for 2 seconds. GREAT IDEA


lols people dont take into account how much it would hurt gameplay if they froze you like that and how many situations you will be cursing at the screen because something simple as movement would be taken away

so many bad situations that could occur

  • 10.21.2009 11:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: AquaBlader
CTF is god. Praise his name. For the flag is his holy messiah.

Posted by: Bricypoo Nobody quotes me and puts me in their signatures It makes me sad ... :(
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Posted by: ix fishy xi
Posted by: ZeroSh1ft
and this is how competitive games lose their pacing. casual gamers :(


this.
Easy there, I consider myself a casual gamer and even I understand the importance of flag running and I'm opposed to it's removal. Or maybe I'm more competitive than I'd like to admit.

  • 10.21.2009 11:44 PM PDT

Flag running doesn't hurt gameplay at all, it's a tactic that is easy and simple to do just like the BxR and BxB in Halo 2, it gives a play that edge, kinda like a 1 on 1 battle where one guy has a BR and the other has an AR, the BR wielder has that edge.

Granted Button Combos were glitches this is not the case with Flag Running (not bouncing..). Bungie loves their competitive community and their casual community all the same but this is something that would greatly affect their competitive community.

If you can flag run why not do it? It's simple, so instead of complaining about it being cheap do it yourself and get on with your life, i hated the BXR and all that in Halo 2 and i did it so i could have that edge over my enemy.

Plus, it's not impossible to stop the flag runner, just get setup right with a sniper and he's down in 1 shot, or if your team plays their cards right you can take them down no problem. It comes down to teamwork if you have worse teamwork then that flag runner will get his capture, if your team has better teamwork then you'll stop him.

Bungie isn't going to rewrite their physics just cause of this and flag running is a great aspect of this game. It will never be taken out so theirs no point in making a hopeless thread over it when you know your just going to get flamed, all you have to do is flag run yourself and not complain about it.

And just because you flag run doesn't mean you can't get a capture just by walking it, if i know my team has my back i walk the flag, knowing when to walk it and when to run it is key in gameplay.

It's a very important factor in CTF that has been around since Halo:CE and it will never be changed, so all you can do is use it to your advantage like everyone else and quit complaining about it, this post is only causing unnecessary drama.

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Posted by: CookieMan
Posted by: Bad Wolf Claw
Flag running is a legitimate tactic, it's not annoying and doesn't hurt the CTF gametype.

Do you assume Bungie wanted you to be able to be able to move at normal speed? They made the flag carrier slower for a reason.


Yes, yes they did, the reason being was to make the flag runner slower if he decided to walk it the entire way. Yet, Bungie hasn't removed flag running since H1, they kept it in the game for a reason, so that can only mean one thing. They acknowledge its importance and consider it completely legit.

[Edited on 10.22.2009 12:10 AM PDT]

  • 10.22.2009 12:09 AM PDT

Headshot Honcho

You can complain about using the BR, "Rocket Whoring" and Flag Running (Bouncing? Lolz); fact is, if your team of "honorable" players who wont use such tactics, comes up against a team (of equal individual skill) that will, you're pretty much gonna get rinsed, 100% of the time.

The tactics get wins and take more skill (4 people Team shooting with a BR > 2 ARs a spiker and a mauler).

And you can complain about it being just repeatedly pressing buttons over and over again. But that's all any AR whores use anyway, Up + RT, then B, die, rinse and repeat.

  • 10.22.2009 12:12 AM PDT

Its a trap!!!

Posted by: BassistBowen
You can complain about using the BR, "Rocket Whoring" and Flag Running (Bouncing? Lolz); fact is, if your team of "honorable" players who wont use such tactics, comes up against a team (of equal individual skill) that will, you're pretty much gonna get rinsed, 100% of the time.

The tactics get wins and take more skill (4 people Team shooting with a BR > 2 ARs a spiker and a mauler).

And you can complain about it being just repeatedly pressing buttons over and over again. But that's all any AR whores use anyway, Up + RT, then B, die, rinse and repeat.


exactly and at least good BR team shooting takes good map positioning. Controling a good set up makes it a skillfull weapon to help your team out. The AR people tend to camp and not team shoot.

and if they go against good players who know how to nade and flush out campers then they really complain and it all stems from them sucking with a BR/Carbine. So I just say learn to use weapons beyond close quarter combat or just finally admit that you arent very good

sorry if that seemed a bit harsh but these anti-flag running and/or BR hating players have been getting a little on my nerves

  • 10.22.2009 12:24 AM PDT
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This thread = fail.

Kids on here keep on trying to find more reasons to kick competitive play out of Halo.

And this isn't a matter of us MLG players being selfish, and wanting the game to be all competitive, this is us defending what little we are given for competitive Halo.

Seriously kid, respect that there is a legitimate league out there called MLG that runs off what little Halo 3 gives the competitive community... stop suggesting Bungie take it away piece by piece.


[Edited on 10.22.2009 12:34 AM PDT]

  • 10.22.2009 12:33 AM PDT

Are you serious? an Anti-Flag Running topic? That is the most retarded thing I've ever heard.

You run slow in exchange of the fact they don't know where the flag is, AS SOON AS IT'S DROPPED a marker appears. You can either be slow and invisible or fast and visible.

What more do you want? There were buttons glitches in Halo 2, But not in Halo 3.

There was flag running in Halo 2, not in Halo 3 but the range that you throw it has been dumbed down A LOT.

Even when Bungie do things on YOUR behalf, you still -blam!- whine.

  • 10.22.2009 12:35 AM PDT

Its a trap!!!

Posted by: d0NUTBR3Ad
This thread = fail.

Kids on here keep on trying to find more reasons to kick competitive play out of Halo.

And this isn't a matter of us MLG players being selfish, and wanting the game to be all competitive, this is us defending what little we are given for competitive Halo.

Seriously kid, respect that there is a legitimate league out there called MLG that runs off what little Halo 3 gives the competitive community... stop suggesting Bungie take it away piece by piece.


Agreed.

I am tired of people saying I dont want BRs because they want to make the whole game a close range spray and pray fest

I am tired of people who want the laser removed as well because they want their n00b warthog runs to dominate the game

I am tired of people who want to get rid of something as simple as flag running

I am tired of people who want to take away anything that forces us to play their style

You can play halo campy or team shoot its up to you. So you want us to destroy mid range to play on your spam level.

Or you want to get into a vehicle and take away the one weapon on the map that is its true equalizer. The one weapon that if you used good team work you could control and then go out chaingun blazing on a hog.

Halo needs to retain its competative nature and not be dumbed down for n00bs who cant hang. If you don't like it play social or even if you play rank you will be placed in your skill. If you arent getting the rank you wanted well i guess it just is your skill..sorry

  • 10.22.2009 1:05 AM PDT

MAKE XBOX LIVE FREE!!!!!!

Holy Hell. The Bungie.net Forums have sunk to an all time new low.

Congratulations guys.

  • 10.22.2009 1:14 AM PDT