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Posted by: Non Unique
He was infected right then and there.

Your theory just brings up more inconsistencies, as to why Gravemind would wait so long to infect him completely.

The flood isn't a virus, there is no incubation period. They infect you as fast as possible to assimilate you into them.

This is true.

  • 10.17.2009 11:44 AM PDT

Posted by: EldritchWarlord
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Posted by: Non Unique
Like the fact that humanity had 17 colonies, not hundreds.

We can name more than seventeen human colonies. That's not retconning, that's a plot inconsistency. Big difference.


There's a difference between Colony and colonized world. Do Reach, Circumstance, and Tribute count as individual colonies or is Epsilon Eridani the colony?

Looking through all Halo material the UNSC had permanent settlements in 16 known systems including Sol and I believe that some of these don't actually have a colony (like Onyx in the Zeta Doradus system, it's just a research base). So if only a colonized system counts as a "UNSC Colony" then it is consistent to have 17 colonies.

You never cease to amaze me, Warlord. I have never seen a post that was made by you that I didn't agree with.

  • 10.17.2009 11:46 AM PDT

I'd love to see the MA5K (Assault Rifle that fires in bursts and is as powerful as a BR WITHOUT a scope) and the M99 (a gauss rifle). Some vehicle prototypes would be cool too (Hornet than can transport 4 passengers, Scorpion with a gauss cannon, etc.)

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Posted by: Non Unique
Like the fact that humanity had 17 colonies, not hundreds.

We can name more than seventeen human colonies. That's not retconning, that's a plot inconsistency. Big difference.


There's a difference between Colony and colonized world. Do Reach, Circumstance, and Tribute count as individual colonies or is Epsilon Eridani the colony?

Looking through all Halo material the UNSC had permanent settlements in 16 known systems including Sol and I believe that some of these don't actually have a colony (like Onyx in the Zeta Doradus system, it's just a research base). So if only a colonized system counts as a "UNSC Colony" then it is consistent to have 17 colonies.
When someone says colonies, do you think the individual one, or the large group? They called the U.S the Thirteen Colonies because that was the group of 13 individual colonies.

My point is, that a colony refers to one specific settlement, and would not make sense to consider the whole system as one colony, rather the individual planets.

  • 10.17.2009 11:47 AM PDT

Either people like it or not, the Flood is part of the Halo series. Leaving them out would be like poking a huge hole in the game.

I know that it wouldn't make sense if there was Flood on Reach, but brainstorming how they may be incorporated into the game.

I've only read Onyx, and I'm curious to know if theres is an ONI HQ on Reach. I remember hearing somewhere that there was.

There was Flood in Halo Wars, so ONI could have been testing them in secret. The Flood were not first seen in Halo: CE they may be in Reach if ONI have been testing and experimenting with them. There could have been some speciments that escaped, and started roaming around Reach during the battle. After Reach is glassed, all data and information on the Flood is destroyed, leaving nothing to remember them by.

That was just an idea. Share your own ideas on how the Flood may work in this game.

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Posted by: BartronX
Either people like it or not, the Flood is part of the Halo series. Leaving them out would be like poking a huge hole in the game.

I know that it wouldn't make sense if there was Flood on Reach, but brainstorming how they may be incorporated into the game.

I've only read Onyx, and I'm curious to know if theres is an ONI HQ on Reach. I remember hearing somewhere that there was.

There was Flood in Halo Wars, so ONI could have been testing them in secret. The Flood were not first seen in Halo: CE they may be in Reach if ONI have been testing and experimenting with them. There could have been some speciments that escaped, and started roaming around Reach during the battle. After Reach is glassed, all data and information on the Flood is destroyed, leaving nothing to remember them by.

That was just an idea. Share your own ideas on how the Flood may work in this game.
I have an even better idea.
Let's not include the Flood, because it would not make any canonical sense for them to be there.

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Posted by: Non Unique
Posted by: EldritchWarlord
Posted by: Dream053
Posted by: Non Unique
Like the fact that humanity had 17 colonies, not hundreds.

We can name more than seventeen human colonies. That's not retconning, that's a plot inconsistency. Big difference.


There's a difference between Colony and colonized world. Do Reach, Circumstance, and Tribute count as individual colonies or is Epsilon Eridani the colony?

Looking through all Halo material the UNSC had permanent settlements in 16 known systems including Sol and I believe that some of these don't actually have a colony (like Onyx in the Zeta Doradus system, it's just a research base). So if only a colonized system counts as a "UNSC Colony" then it is consistent to have 17 colonies.
When someone says colonies, do you think the individual one, or the large group? They called the U.S the Thirteen Colonies because that was the group of 13 individual colonies.

My point is, that a colony refers to one specific settlement, and would not make sense to consider the whole system as one colony, rather the individual planets.


Territorial definitions don't often make much sense when applied literally, for example a US State can't technically be called a state as it is not sovereign in that it is under the federal government.

  • 10.17.2009 11:52 AM PDT

Posted by: Non Unique
Posted by: BartronX
Either people like it or not, the Flood is part of the Halo series. Leaving them out would be like poking a huge hole in the game.

I know that it wouldn't make sense if there was Flood on Reach, but brainstorming how they may be incorporated into the game.

I've only read Onyx, and I'm curious to know if theres is an ONI HQ on Reach. I remember hearing somewhere that there was.

There was Flood in Halo Wars, so ONI could have been testing them in secret. The Flood were not first seen in Halo: CE they may be in Reach if ONI have been testing and experimenting with them. There could have been some speciments that escaped, and started roaming around Reach during the battle. After Reach is glassed, all data and information on the Flood is destroyed, leaving nothing to remember them by.

That was just an idea. Share your own ideas on how the Flood may work in this game.
I have an even better idea.
Let's not include the Flood, because it would not make any canonical sense for them to be there.


Explain how it would not make sense.

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Posted by: EldritchWarlord
Posted by: Non Unique
Posted by: EldritchWarlord
Posted by: Dream053
Posted by: Non Unique
Like the fact that humanity had 17 colonies, not hundreds.

We can name more than seventeen human colonies. That's not retconning, that's a plot inconsistency. Big difference.


There's a difference between Colony and colonized world. Do Reach, Circumstance, and Tribute count as individual colonies or is Epsilon Eridani the colony?

Looking through all Halo material the UNSC had permanent settlements in 16 known systems including Sol and I believe that some of these don't actually have a colony (like Onyx in the Zeta Doradus system, it's just a research base). So if only a colonized system counts as a "UNSC Colony" then it is consistent to have 17 colonies.
When someone says colonies, do you think the individual one, or the large group? They called the U.S the Thirteen Colonies because that was the group of 13 individual colonies.

My point is, that a colony refers to one specific settlement, and would not make sense to consider the whole system as one colony, rather the individual planets.


Territorial definitions don't often make much sense when applied literally, for example a US State can't technically be called a state as it is not sovereign in that it is under the federal government.
Except that state has dual meanings, either as a smaller section of a parent country or a full fledged country.

  • 10.17.2009 11:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: BartronX
Either people like it or not, the Flood is part of the Halo series. Leaving them out would be like poking a huge hole in the game.

I know that it wouldn't make sense if there was Flood on Reach, but brainstorming how they may be incorporated into the game.

I've only read Onyx, and I'm curious to know if theres is an ONI HQ on Reach. I remember hearing somewhere that there was.

There was Flood in Halo Wars, so ONI could have been testing them in secret. The Flood were not first seen in Halo: CE they may be in Reach if ONI have been testing and experimenting with them. There could have been some speciments that escaped, and started roaming around Reach during the battle. After Reach is glassed, all data and information on the Flood is destroyed, leaving nothing to remember them by.

That was just an idea. Share your own ideas on how the Flood may work in this game.


The Flood could be in Firefight mode for Reach.

And yes ONI did have a major installation on Reach, it's actually their headquarters. It was called CASTLE and was built into a mountain.

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Posted by: BartronX
Either people like it or not, the Flood is part of the Halo series. Leaving them out would be like poking a huge hole in the game.

I know that it wouldn't make sense if there was Flood on Reach, but brainstorming how they may be incorporated into the game.

I've only read Onyx, and I'm curious to know if theres is an ONI HQ on Reach. I remember hearing somewhere that there was.

There was Flood in Halo Wars, so ONI could have been testing them in secret. The Flood were not first seen in Halo: CE they may be in Reach if ONI have been testing and experimenting with them. There could have been some speciments that escaped, and started roaming around Reach during the battle. After Reach is glassed, all data and information on the Flood is destroyed, leaving nothing to remember them by.

That was just an idea. Share your own ideas on how the Flood may work in this game.
I have an even better idea.
Let's not include the Flood, because it would not make any canonical sense for them to be there.


Explain how it would not make sense.
Do I really have too?

It's kind of easy to realize.

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Posted by: BartronX
Either people like it or not, the Flood is part of the Halo series. Leaving them out would be like poking a huge hole in the game.

I know that it wouldn't make sense if there was Flood on Reach, but brainstorming how they may be incorporated into the game.

I've only read Onyx, and I'm curious to know if theres is an ONI HQ on Reach. I remember hearing somewhere that there was.

There was Flood in Halo Wars, so ONI could have been testing them in secret. The Flood were not first seen in Halo: CE they may be in Reach if ONI have been testing and experimenting with them. There could have been some speciments that escaped, and started roaming around Reach during the battle. After Reach is glassed, all data and information on the Flood is destroyed, leaving nothing to remember them by.

That was just an idea. Share your own ideas on how the Flood may work in this game.


The Flood could be in Firefight mode for Reach.

And yes ONI did have a major installation on Reach, it's actually their headquarters. It was called CASTLE and was built into a mountain.
Bam.

Firefight. Problem solved.

  • 10.17.2009 11:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: Non Unique
Posted by: EldritchWarlord

Territorial definitions don't often make much sense when applied literally, for example a US State can't technically be called a state as it is not sovereign in that it is under the federal government.
Except that state has dual meanings, either as a smaller section of a parent country or a full fledged country.


No, state doesn't have dual meanings. A state is a sovereign nation. Partitions of a true state are called provinces and partitions of these partitions are counties.

The reason that they're called states in the US is because the US originally was a federation of sovereign nations.

  • 10.17.2009 11:59 AM PDT

Agreed

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Posted by: Non Unique
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Territorial definitions don't often make much sense when applied literally, for example a US State can't technically be called a state as it is not sovereign in that it is under the federal government.
Except that state has dual meanings, either as a smaller section of a parent country or a full fledged country.


No, state doesn't have dual meanings. A state is a sovereign nation. Partitions of a true state are called provinces and partitions of these partitions are counties.

The reason that they're called states in the US is because the US originally was a federation of sovereign nations.
In everyday lexicon it does. If you really want to get that technical, I can see talking to you will be a waste of time.

Other countries have states too you know.

  • 10.17.2009 12:02 PM PDT

Okay so we know that ONI had a large HQ on Reach. It would make sense for them to be testing the Flood, because humans have had contact with the Flood in Halo Wars. They may have collected specimens, researched them, tested them, ect.

During the battle of Reach, the HQ may be attacked, and some specimens escape during all the fighting. The Flood are parasites, so they would infect the inhabitants of Reach, Human and Covenant.

That could be part of the plot for Halo Reach, and I don't see why it would not be cannon.

I mean really, if you think this idea is stupid, then Halo Legends will be retarded. I know one of the stories is about a marine that is told to go to a planet and a prototype armor. Instead he uses it to fight off the Covenant on the planet. I mean really, why would the UNSC send ONE MARINE to do some stupid mission. To me that is really stupid.

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Posted by: Non Unique
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Territorial definitions don't often make much sense when applied literally, for example a US State can't technically be called a state as it is not sovereign in that it is under the federal government.
Except that state has dual meanings, either as a smaller section of a parent country or a full fledged country.


No, state doesn't have dual meanings. A state is a sovereign nation. Partitions of a true state are called provinces and partitions of these partitions are counties.

The reason that they're called states in the US is because the US originally was a federation of sovereign nations.
In everyday lexicon it does. If you really want to get that technical, I can see talking to you will be a waste of time.

Other countries have states too you know.


You applied the literal definition of colony so I show your folly by applying the literal definition of state.

Look, if you see something that might be inconsistent in the Haloverse look for a sensible way to make it fit. You'll probably find one.

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Posted by: Non Unique
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Territorial definitions don't often make much sense when applied literally, for example a US State can't technically be called a state as it is not sovereign in that it is under the federal government.
Except that state has dual meanings, either as a smaller section of a parent country or a full fledged country.


No, state doesn't have dual meanings. A state is a sovereign nation. Partitions of a true state are called provinces and partitions of these partitions are counties.

The reason that they're called states in the US is because the US originally was a federation of sovereign nations.
In everyday lexicon it does. If you really want to get that technical, I can see talking to you will be a waste of time.

Other countries have states too you know.


You applied the literal definition of colony so I show your folly by applying the literal definition of state.

Look, if you see something that might be inconsistent in the Haloverse look for a sensible way to make it fit. You'll probably find one.
Except that mine actually made sense.

It's not like they referred to all of their colonies in north america as a single one, but people do refer to states in the same way that they would provinces.

You're just being technical, what I said made some sense.

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Okay so we know that ONI had a large HQ on Reach. It would make sense for them to be testing the Flood, because humans have had contact with the Flood in Halo Wars. They may have collected specimens, researched them, tested them, ect.

During the battle of Reach, the HQ may be attacked, and some specimens escape during all the fighting. The Flood are parasites, so they would infect the inhabitants of Reach, Human and Covenant.

That could be part of the plot for Halo Reach, and I don't see why it would not be cannon.

I mean really, if you think this idea is stupid, then Halo Legends will be retarded. I know one of the stories is about a marine that is told to go to a planet and a prototype armor. Instead he uses it to fight off the Covenant on the planet. I mean really, why would the UNSC send ONE MARINE to do some stupid mission. To me that is really stupid.
Well good then.

Because Legends is stupid.

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Bungie can add any weapons and vehicles for the UNSC that they want because as you said they have the "it was destroyed on Reach" excuse as to why they didnt show up anywhere else.
Or they could use the excuse: You havent seen them in the places youve been before.
Like the BR. That was around before Reach, yet not in CE. And the Laser: In ODST but not Halo 2. And Engineers. There all along, but havent seen them.

Does it really matter if something breaks the canon just a little if it adds new interesting things?

  • 10.17.2009 12:09 PM PDT

Posted by: BartronX
Okay so we know that ONI had a large HQ on Reach. It would make sense for them to be testing the Flood, because humans have had contact with the Flood in Halo Wars. They may have collected specimens, researched them, tested them, ect.

Spirit of Fire didn't make it back. Cutter used the Slip Space Engine to detonate the Shield World.


Posted by: BartronX
During the battle of Reach, the HQ may be attacked, and some specimens escape during all the fighting. The Flood are parasites, so they would infect the inhabitants of Reach, Human and Covenant.

For all we know, ONI could have Specimens. CASTLE is built on and includes the Forerunner Installation, and ONI is like FBI or CIA or whatever when it comes to these things.

  • 10.17.2009 12:10 PM PDT

Hey Non Unique, how many moons are there around Jupiter and Saturn? Because we have colonised those, and Mars, and Venus. That is just our Solar System.

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Hey Non Unique, how many moons are there around Jupiter and Saturn? Because we have colonised those, and Mars, and Venus. That is just our Solar System.
They tend to find new ones every now and then. I believe the number is over 60 if not 100.

Yes, and those would all be considered separate colonies by anyone.

  • 10.17.2009 12:14 PM PDT

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You applied the literal definition of colony so I show your folly by applying the literal definition of state.

Look, if you see something that might be inconsistent in the Haloverse look for a sensible way to make it fit. You'll probably find one.
Except that mine actually made sense.

It's not like they referred to all of their colonies in north america as a single one, but people do refer to states in the same way that they would provinces.

You're just being technical, what I said made some sense.


Actually they were grouped as "The American Colonies" in contrast to Canada, the Carribean Colonies, Singapore, Gibraltar etc.

You were "just being technical" as well, you just don't want to admit it. Don't you think that the distinction between a star system and planets in a star system would seem less important to the people of an interstellar empire than us (we only have one intercontinental nation mind you)?

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You applied the literal definition of colony so I show your folly by applying the literal definition of state.

Look, if you see something that might be inconsistent in the Haloverse look for a sensible way to make it fit. You'll probably find one.
Except that mine actually made sense.

It's not like they referred to all of their colonies in north America as a single one, but people do refer to states in the same way that they would provinces.

You're just being technical, what I said made some sense.


Actually they were grouped as "The American Colonies" in contrast to Canada, the Carribean Colonies, Singapore, Gibraltar etc.

You were "just being technical" as well, you just don't want to admit it. Don't you think that the distinction between a star system and planets in a star system would seem less important to the people of an interstellar empire than us (we only have one intercontinental nation mind you).
No, I'd think that in terms of categorizing their various colonies, they would do it by world. And we do have other intercontinental nations than Russia.

  • 10.17.2009 12:20 PM PDT