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Posted by: urk
Eat raw meat.
Punch a bear in the face.


If you don't know who I am, the feeling is mutual.

If the BR was balanced, the AR had more range, and maybe a way to balance melee spaming (Perhaps including slower melee speeds and a longer cooldown to prevent people using that instead of actual weapons), then I think everything would be fine.

  • 10.18.2009 7:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: RandomOccurence


Its just a matter of preference. The BR is a good all around weapon.


no its not KID! its an over powered POS of a weapon. anyone that wants it in needs to stick to halo 3.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=37444505&p ostRepeater1-p=1

read that thread and you'll know why it should be taken out of Reach.

  • 10.18.2009 7:48 PM PDT

Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
And AR rushing wouldn't exist if the Melee wasn't overpowered.

Actually, AR rushing wouldn't exist if people had the common sense to stick them in the face before they got within melee range.

Teach those fools to strafe while advancing so its harder to get hit.

  • 10.18.2009 8:19 PM PDT

The biggest problem with melee is the lock and lunge system. Halo CE didn't have it, it was great. People actually used weapons to kill, not just spray a little + melee.

Take out the LUNGE!

  • 10.18.2009 11:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
And AR rushing wouldn't exist if the Melee wasn't overpowered.

Actually, AR rushing wouldn't exist if people had the common sense to stick them in the face before they got within melee range.

Teach those fools to strafe while advancing so its harder to get hit.


i agree; well except for the sticking part

well the problem with sticking some one who is charging you; is the grenade takes some time to blow so, the odds are you going to get and explosive bear hug. it's far more effective to just shot him or drop a nade in front of him to drop his shield. then shoot him, or do the thing that pisses me off HAVE A BR. up close you could actually rush him before he could do enough damage to kill you with the melee; melee him then head shot him, bullets go a bit faster than fist so the AR wont get off the second melee, and because the AR dose almost no Armor damage you cant just shoot him. and if your not close enough for that run backwards and shoot the AR cannot win then because BR has "HEAD SHOT", and the second you throw a grenade the guy with the BR will melee you or move forward and shoot you

when i first played halo 3 I just had to use the MA5 it has been my favorite gun since halo CE but in 3 it just a bludgeoning tool i was very disappointed.

I want the AR to be an assault rifle, not a purpose built bludgeoning tool

i think this would balance the BR and AR, and make the guns funner to use.

1- The BR should stay, but it should also be funner to use and have a different role. I would personally like it to be Semi auto. so its not another assault rifle. the definition of a battle rifle is a gas operated riffle that fire a full sized rifle rounds like the 30-06, or the 7.62x51 which ironically the AR shoots, any way i balanced it as a burst weapon as well

2- I think the AR should be the mid range jack o all trades weapon. like the AR in RFG where you have a slight zoom, becomes more accurate, and gets a smaller reticule. also make sound like the MA5B. i miss that wonderful noise; the Damage was set up. it took around 22 shot to drop the shield but 3-5 to kill once you shield was down

so what about this

AR-
Slight Aim
Fire rate- 10/sec
shield damage- 16 rounds
Armor Damage- 4 rounds
Mag size-30
2 second kill

Burst BR-
4x zoom
fire rate 6 rounds/sec or 2 burst/sec
shield damage-13 rounds
Armor damage- 1 head shot 4 torso
roughly 2.5 second kill

Note: differences from halo 3; slightly weaker, and slightly higher fire rate

Semi-Auto BR-
4x Zoom
Fire rate- 4 rounds a sec
Shield damage- 9 rounds
Armor damage- 1 head shot 3-4 torso
Mag size-20
2.5 second kill

so in this case the AR kills faster then the BR, however with the AR you have to use burst fire to accurately hit your target at longer ranges; so the delay in fire rate allows the BR to win at longer ranges.



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  • 10.18.2009 11:32 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

Posted by: Blade967
Give the AR more range, reduce it's melee attack strength, and maybe give it a scope to replace the BR.

  • 10.19.2009 1:07 AM PDT

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
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Posted by: RandomOccurence
Posted by: Il RELOADED lI
But Kelly describes there being a pistol with bullets the size of the Spartans thumb and she takes down a brute commander in three shots.


Well that sounds a lot better. Sorry when I heard no BR I thought of ODST's campaign and firefight. I was a little worried that they'd ruin another Halo game.

in my honest opinion, the only halo campaigns that have been worth playing multiple times have been those without the BR. and in multiplayer, the BR makes all other weapons redundant.
the fact that the BR has only been in half of the bungie made halo games clearly shows to the reasonable person that the BR is not the icon of the series nor an integral part of its gameplay. however, it does look like you may not fall under the 'reasonable person' catagory, in which case I won't make any further attempt to penetrate your unusually thick cranium

  • 10.19.2009 1:12 AM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

Here is the stupidity of blaming the AR for the "rush" tactic that your complaining about, anyone with half a brain will not run into an opponent while shooting with the intent on meleeing them, that is foolish. The weapon doesn't promote this, inexperience does.

The AR does it's job in the right hands, a short-short mid autorifle. The BR on the other hand is entirely off-balance, allowing for strong performance accross the spectrum, this is a problem that needs to be a fixed.

The AR doesn't "newbify" gameplay anymore than the BR makes a player PRO. They are both weapons that offer an avenue of attack, but while the AR's is limited (as it should be) the BR's offering is far broader, hence far more appealing.

  • 10.19.2009 1:50 AM PDT

Corn, Oil, and Wine... We need more wine...

Well, Fred* found a Battle Rifle in the room where Kelly found the Pistol, so...

*Was it him?

  • 10.19.2009 3:26 AM PDT

Look, a half monkey half pony monster!

If you get killed by a kid who sucks it's because you suck more than him, there, I've settled this!

Also it's because you were trying to be a pro, like those -losers who have no lives!

And they can't get laid!

[Edited on 10.19.2009 4:20 AM PDT]

  • 10.19.2009 4:18 AM PDT
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I hope they replace the BR, or just make it less OP.

Halo needs a good Medium range weapon, just not one that dominates everthing else.

Halo 3 (Besides the BR) is the most balance FPS I have ever played.

  • 10.19.2009 4:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: Il RELOADED lI
But Kelly describes there being a pistol with bullets the size of the Spartans thumb and she takes down a brute commander in three shots.
true heres a cookie

  • 10.19.2009 4:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: Plasma3150
Way to make stereotypes, mate.


Yes all the bad kids are like: "Oh noes no BR give my ma Assault Rifle, because Pulling down the Right Trigger and Pressing B is awesome!!!111"
While the good kids are like: "I need my BRz!!!!!1111"

Seriously:
Fix Melee
Give me a starting weapon that is a working mid range weapon that does not spread
Thanks Bungie

[Edited on 10.19.2009 4:57 AM PDT]

  • 10.19.2009 4:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Here is the stupidity of blaming the AR for the "rush" tactic that your complaining about, anyone with half a brain will not run into an opponent while shooting with the intent on meleeing them, that is foolish. The weapon doesn't promote this, inexperience does.

The AR does it's job in the right hands, a short-short mid autorifle. The BR on the other hand is entirely off-balance, allowing for strong performance accross the spectrum, this is a problem that needs to be a fixed.

The AR doesn't "newbify" gameplay anymore than the BR makes a player PRO. They are both weapons that offer an avenue of attack, but while the AR's is limited (as it should be) the BR's offering is far broader, hence far more appealing.


It doesn't work on short range since the AR guy will RT + B you. It doesn't really work on midrange since you can't even 4-Shot a guy from Top Gold to top snipe tower on guardian. And it doesn't work on long range since not a single bullet is hitting on long range because the damn weapon is spreading.

  • 10.19.2009 5:00 AM PDT

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There is no reason to believe that the BR won't be in Reach. There will be at least a very similar weapon to the BR, because Bungie isn't stupid enough to piss off half of the community, and lose sales.

  • 10.19.2009 5:04 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

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Posted by: RandomOccurence


Its just a matter of preference. The BR is a good all around weapon.


no its not KID! its an over powered POS of a weapon. anyone that wants it in needs to stick to halo 3.


Contradict yourself there?

Also, lol@butthurt kid.

  • 10.19.2009 5:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: ericstifer



Its just a matter of preference. The BR is a good all around weapon.


no its not KID! its an over powered POS of a weapon. anyone that wants it in needs to stick to halo 3.


Everyone who wants needs to stick to halo 2, atleast halo 2's BR does not spread...

  • 10.19.2009 5:14 AM PDT

I think the main problem with the AR is that whenever you start a game with one, a lot of people (such as me) don't switch it with whatever weapons around them.

I tend to only change it when low on ammo. I try to be versatile. It's just the other team is shooting you, it's hard to think about changing weapons.

  • 10.19.2009 5:26 AM PDT
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The BR is not over-powered the weapon is only as deadly as the one wielding it, my sister isn't going to dominate you just because she has a BR I will because I know how to play the game at a high tier. AR rushing is funny those who say the weapon needs to be powered up are crazy the weapon already has a mid-range effectiveness and inconsistency level i won't discuss for the simple reason I have written alot on how terrible the weapon is in the first place. Back to the BR if you are trying to kill someone with a BR it is possible it is actually easy unless you approach it from a wrong direction, 1:shooting at the man with the BR and then throwing the grenade is not a good idea they will most likely be able to get out of the radius of the grenade while pelting your skull with bullets while you dealt no damage to them, 2: Initiating the contact with the BR user with a Melee not smart with the BR being a "nozzled" weapon it shoots out in a more constricted area while the AR or many other rapid fire weapons are "un-nozzled" meaning the bullets project outward in diagonal directions which means no bullet is going to land in the same spot twice. For those of you who keep saying bring back the Halo:CE pistol, after one month of that weapons un-describable combination of power and accuracy you would beg for the BR to come back. Also those of you who are 40's and such if you didn't have to lead your shots in H3 it would be like H2 where you wouldn't get past the rank of 20, halo 3 is 20% luck 80% skill, 100% concentrated power of will.(for those who get the reference)

  • 10.19.2009 5:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: Il RELOADED lI
The battle rifle wasn't in production till halo 2.


do your homework. the battle rifle was in production 25 years before halo 1, idiot

  • 10.19.2009 6:22 AM PDT

BR!!!!!

  • 10.19.2009 6:39 AM PDT

Second acct: RC Zerg Rushes

Hopefully, the CE weapon set, the CE weapon balance and the CE skill gap will all make a return, coupled with much better netcode and a ranking system that actually works. Then it won't matter if there are Assault Rifle rushers. Why? Because they'll be playing with other Assault Rifle rushers. People good with the M6D will be playing with people good with the M6D. Add Forge, Theater and Halo CE, Halo 2 and Halo 3's customization options to this gameplay and you've got a game that would finally live up to, and possibly surpass, CE.

  • 10.19.2009 6:42 AM PDT

Because aliens.

Well, they say that because this is before Halo 2 (obviously), the BR won't be there. It's wrong. There is a tip that you should be able to use a BR prototype, that fires more slowly. So no, I don't think there will only be AR rushers.

  • 10.19.2009 7:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: RandomOccurence
Posted by: Il RELOADED lI
But Kelly describes there being a pistol with bullets the size of the Spartans thumb and she takes down a brute commander in three shots.


Well that sounds a lot better. Sorry when I heard no BR I thought of ODST's campaign and firefight. I was a little worried that they'd ruin another Halo game.

Wow, really? Not being able to use the BR RUINED ODST for you?

There were BR prototypes on Reach, they use them in the books. But I hope to GOD that they take the BR out.


If they were prototypes, there would be very few of them. For MP they could only be in Forge.

What can be so hard about accepting an option? I don't like BR and I don't use it all the time, but I still wouldn't say no to it.

  • 10.19.2009 10:27 AM PDT

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