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Subject: AR/BR fuctioalities
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If you want to comment Read everything, this is just gibberish otherwise.

The main problem I see with that AR and the BR is the funtions of the weapons.

The BR works like an AR
and the AR works like a bb gun/baseball bat

1- The BR should stay, however have a different roll, the definition of a battle rifle is a gas operated riffle that fire a full sized rifle rounds like the 30-06, or the 7.62x51 which ironically the AR shoots. any way; right now the BR is the effective at all ranges "jack of all trades" weapon, that is the what an Assault rifle is for, i would like to see the BR semi auto so it is more accuracy oriented, instead of an other assault rifle, but it could work either way so i balanced both semi auto and burst BR

2- I think the AR should be the mid range jack o all trades weapon. like the AR in RFG where you have a slight zoom, becomes more accurate, and gets a smaller reticule. also make sound like the MA5B. i miss that wonderful noise. the definition of an assault rifle is a Gas operated rifle that fire an intermediate round. the AR fire a full sized rifle round however this makes sense do to the fact that the enemies a bigger.

so what about this

AR-
Slight Aim similar to RFG or the ODST SMG
Fire rate- 10/sec Full Auto
shield damage- 16 rounds
Armor Damage- 4 rounds
Mag size-30
2 second kill

Burst BR-
4x zoom
fire rate 6 rounds or 2 bust/sec
shield damage-13 rounds
Armor damage- 1 head shot 4 torso
roughly 2.5 second kill

Note: differences from halo 3; slightly weaker, and slightly higher fire rate

Semi-Auto BR-
4x Zoom
Fire rate- 4 rounds a sec
Shield damage- 9 rounds
Armor damage- 1 head shot 3-4 torso
Mag size-20
2.5 second kill

so in this case the AR kills faster then the BR, however with the AR you have to use burst fire to accurately hit your target at longer ranges; so the delay in fire rate allows the BR to win at longer ranges.

Halo for the Most parts takes place in close quarters
even the sniping bits, most the times you targets are under 60 meters from your position

effective ranges AR v BR in my scenario
"for reference Sandboxes pavement from end to end is 150m"

AR v BR optimum range point to blank 65m
BR v AR optimum range 65m and beyond
AR max effective range 500m
BR max effective range 900m

so this restricts the MA5s practical use to relatively close to mid range when engaging Elites Brutes and Spartans, how ever it is still functanal at longer ranges, and effective against weaker units at long range

as for the BR, it will normally get overwhelmed in close quarters however if you are good with grenades you could drop an opponents shield and get the head shot

so was this a waste of time, did you like this, what would you do differently, discus, my point was made

[Edited on 10.24.2009 6:56 PM PDT]

  • 10.19.2009 4:36 PM PDT
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it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Yes, THIS one will fix it. The other 500 that claimed the same thing didn't.

  • 10.19.2009 4:42 PM PDT

Its best to not discuss BR vs AR fixes and such right now. Bungie probably decided a fix ages ago and its too late to stop the wheels in motion. Best to let it ride out.

  • 10.19.2009 4:44 PM PDT

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Sorry, I'm American. I couldn't care less about those sorts of things.


What a shock -_-

Posted by: BTE
Yes, THIS one will fix it. The other 500 that claimed the same thing didn't.

This one didn't either, but the next one will!

  • 10.19.2009 4:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Yes, THIS one will fix it. The other 500 that claimed the same thing didn't.


hey guys, lay off him.

but i agree to most, just we need an ar that can shoot full auto or 1 shot.

  • 10.19.2009 4:46 PM PDT
Subject: Everone is tired of the AR/BR topic but i think this could Fix it
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I came in here for a laugh, but there are two things I actually like about your post:

1. You realize the BR is just a glorified AR and we need a mid range accurate weapon to bring in some skill.

2. I've heard/proposed the idea of differing functionalities for weapons, but the idea that the unzoomed AR would be as is but a zoomed AR would essentially change in functionality by becoming burst, more accurate, smaller reticule for mid-range...I really like. Bungie really failed with the AR, as it is an absolutely worthless weapon for survivability, unlike the one they promised.

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I saw combine the Br with the Ar.

  • 10.19.2009 4:48 PM PDT
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this post wan more oriented on making the core guns fun to use, and balance as a byproduct

in halo 3 they sound like BB guns
Halo 2 i thought was done very well, it just had balance issues
and halo 1 was done very with major balance issues. but the Guns were all fun to use, the only problem i saw was with the AR, it was so inaccurate, you were restricted to 10 yards the even when firing burst

[Edited on 10.19.2009 5:08 PM PDT]

  • 10.19.2009 4:51 PM PDT

He who runs, dies last. I suggest you run.

your Br still sounds overpowered to me

  • 10.19.2009 4:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: Absurd Lemur
I saw combine the Br with the Ar.


well technically the AR is a BR but in Game play it is a bludgeoning tool and, and a shooter game should have a good AR
and the BR in Halo falls under a whole new genera or small arms. the BR fire an intermediate round 9.5x40 which ironically once again assault rifles shoots the 7.62mm battle rifle round, however Bungie said the 9.5x40 uses a new, more effective propellant that gives it the mussel velocity to work a ranges past 900m

[Edited on 10.24.2009 6:26 PM PDT]

  • 10.19.2009 4:56 PM PDT
Subject: Everone is tired of the AR/BR topic but i think thas could Fix it
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...Or we could just make the starting weapon the SMG?

  • 10.19.2009 5:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: xMLGx Pro
...Or we could just make the starting weapon the SMG?


point big of this post is to comment on the Functionality of the AR and BR, Balance was a another point.

right now the BR works like an assault rifle and the AR works like a Baseball bat instead of a gun

  • 10.24.2009 6:29 PM PDT