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Subject: RIP

Looking to hook up with some competent players! Please PM me if you want a decent team mate, looking to learn from good players and impart what I know to the team too. Im sick of going 'randy' and getting betrayed for the sniper etc.. and having to put up with BK team mates

This thread has evolved quite a bit since its inception, if you can't be bothered reading it I would suggest reading EDIT 3 first perhaps,

Imagine this...

Fighting against rogue spartans that have been 'brain hacked' by the Covenant to fight against humanity. They can use all types of human weapons, drive human vehicles, jump, fight and behave just like human players. It would be a campaign with a multiplay feel. I reckon it would be a great idea however it might be difficult to implement from a technical perspective. These rogue spartans could be supporting the existing covenant species and adding to the overall experience.

And/or

What about a firefight with varying difficulties of spartan bots, it would be like Matchmaking without the lag. You could start with a mixture of sargeants and leiutenants, then it gets harder with captains and majors etc.. finally in the last few rounds your Versing Brigadiers and Generals? This could be coop or through a matchmaking like senario.

I know many of you will say, "well why don't you just play MM?" True but not everyone has live? And a firefight concept is very different to MM.

I remember Quake III arena was a 'colleseum' based multiplayer/campaign experience and it worked quite well. So did Perfect Dark Zero and Perfect Dark N64

Might be a crazy idea and frankly it may not even be possible, what do you think?

EDIT 1: I would call on any bungie employee thats eye may catch my thread, what do you think? Will you hurriedly put my idea in the archive of 'thingz inspired by community to try' or will you laugh heartily at my feeble attempt to inspire some semblance of contemporary relevance into your creative sphere for future moderation??...Um what did I just say???

EDIT 2: Would you prefer if I changed the whole concept of 'Brain Hacked' spartans to something a little more palatable? Perhaps to brain washed, hypnotised, re-engineered conscienceness, impostors or even evil robot spartans? Please offer suggestions since Ive got it so wrong!

To quash the unbeliever!
If its possible to hypnotize and mind alter humans in this day and age (look it up) then how much more will it be possible in the future? The covenant are technologically advanced moreso than the human race, doesn't it make sense that they may have such capabilities also?

Perhaps the covenant need not resort to such things? Perhaps they can create there own breed of 'spartan'. I guess the elites are perhaps the answer to this, however they don't behave like spartans exactly. Besides haven't they fallen out with the covenant anyway?

Many battles have been won in the past by using the ideas that have worked in other battles by ones enemy or allies, or even by mimicing/counteracting the enemy. Wouldn't you think the covenant might think and I can just imagine a scaly alien looking over to his brute counterpart as he chomps down a worm burger, saying "Hmmmm what are we going to do about that spartan 117, he's kinda always kicking our ass's all the time, perhaps we create a breed of warrior that will match his skill and ingenuity, maybe then we will prevail?"

Why wouldn't the covenant change their battle plans? Are they really that predictable and stupid, that they would never adapt to their predicament?

EDIT 3

Posted by: Papazzini
isnt that kinda the storyline for RvB: reconstruction?


I have no idea but you have given me an idea!!

Imagine having a game based on the RED VS BLUE franchise, RED VS BLUE came from Halo, has incited the commitment and cult following of many for the Halo franchise. Has possibly even lead people to purchasing Halo and to B.net? Why wouldn't bungie create a game around the RED VS BLUE concept, where its all about fighting other spartans? Some of you think its absurd to have spartans Vs spartans? Well whats with multiplayer then? Why couldn't bungie engineer a game around that pretext? AI spartans in a campaign with varying degree's of difficulty, a storyline that diverts from a regular campaign approach to a team or squad based skirmish!

Lets set the scene your ______ insert name a spartan recruit at 'spartan school' (Or wha eva it is)the story gravitates around you and your friends in the spartan training program,your in a 'guild' that gets matched up against other guilds all trying to get the prize for being the best spartan soldiers in the UNSC. It starts with a FFA perhaps, where you must prove yourself worthy of a certain placement in the team, either as support or rifleman etc.. The campaign could showcase each mode of the Halo multiplayer experience such as capture the flag, odd ball, one bomb what ever you can think of. You could play single player with your team made up of Bots as well as your opponents being bots or coop four or more against Bots. Of course the Bots could be set from easy -- Legenday. You could even have a seperate mode for strictly multiplay with Matchmaking and Custom games. I believe this would be a refreshing tangent to take. It would be cool if a bungie employee actually saw my ideas and commented on them, wether its critisized or commended I care not... Well ok commended would be better... but don't you see where Im going community? You can't say that it wouldn't be fun to play, A Halo game entirely made around a strictly skirmish based idea. Most don't play Halo for the campaign, they play it for the multiplayer experience after all.

[Edited on 11.09.2009 5:37 PM PST]

  • 10.19.2009 11:28 PM PDT
Subject: AI spartans!!

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

This is definitely on my list of worst ideas.

  • 10.19.2009 11:30 PM PDT

Looking to hook up with some competent players! Please PM me if you want a decent team mate, looking to learn from good players and impart what I know to the team too. Im sick of going 'randy' and getting betrayed for the sniper etc.. and having to put up with BK team mates

Posted by: Tucker 051
This is definitely on my list of worst ideas.


Glad it made your list,

So why is it?

  • 10.19.2009 11:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

Posted by: Disparil
Posted by: Tucker 051
This is definitely on my list of worst ideas.


Glad it made your list,

So why is it?


You haven't read the books have you?

  • 10.19.2009 11:33 PM PDT

.....brain hacked, realy?

  • 10.19.2009 11:34 PM PDT

S7op 7he Spam
Read 7he Rules
S7op Making 7hese 7hreads
Patiences is the #1 key
You Wan7 Fries Wi7h 7ha7?

You do know that Spartans are humans right?

  • 10.19.2009 11:38 PM PDT

hahahahahahahhaa, "brain hacked" HAHHAAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA!!!!

  • 10.19.2009 11:46 PM PDT

Looking to hook up with some competent players! Please PM me if you want a decent team mate, looking to learn from good players and impart what I know to the team too. Im sick of going 'randy' and getting betrayed for the sniper etc.. and having to put up with BK team mates

Posted by: Tucker 051
Posted by: Disparil
Posted by: Tucker 051
This is definitely on my list of worst ideas.


Glad it made your list,

So why is it?


You haven't read the books have you?


No your quite correct there, I was just throwing it out there. Is bungie really creatively restricted by the story lines that are inplace, so they can only make their Halo games around existing plot lines? Perhaps your right. Maybe this idea is one for the future not necessarily reach.

Posted by: Hotrod3193
You do know that Spartans are humans right?


Yeah I know, and your point is?

  • 10.19.2009 11:47 PM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

Posted by: Disparil
Posted by: Tucker 051
Posted by: Disparil
Posted by: Tucker 051
This is definitely on my list of worst ideas.


Glad it made your list,

So why is it?


You haven't read the books have you?


No your quite correct there, I was just throwing it out there. Is bungie really creatively restricted by the story lines that are inplace, so they can only make their Halo games around existing plot lines? Perhaps your right. Maybe this idea is one for the future not necessarily reach.


A possible random spin-off, possibly but not for Reach :)


[Edited on 10.19.2009 11:51 PM PDT]

  • 10.19.2009 11:49 PM PDT

i dont think so but if it starts breaking the halo storyline the hardcore halo book fans will bombard bungie with a torent of hate mail. it would cause too much trouble

  • 10.19.2009 11:51 PM PDT

Looking to hook up with some competent players! Please PM me if you want a decent team mate, looking to learn from good players and impart what I know to the team too. Im sick of going 'randy' and getting betrayed for the sniper etc.. and having to put up with BK team mates

Tucker051 nice to be having a discussion with someone who hasn't been brain-hacked BTW =)

Posted by: rvcafighter
hahahahahahahhaa, "brain hacked" HAHHAAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHA!!!!


....

Posted by: force recon2013
i dont think so but if it starts breaking the halo storyline the hardcore halo book fans will bombard bungie with a torent of hate mail. it would cause too much trouble


Wouldn't want to incite a riot! Imagine wave after wave of geek assaulting bungie HQ

Frightening!

[Edited on 10.19.2009 11:58 PM PDT]

  • 10.19.2009 11:58 PM PDT

Oh, Death was never enemy of ours!
We laughed, knowing better men would come,
And greater wars: when each proud fighter brags
He wars on Death, for lives: not men, for flags.
"The Next War"

The arena idea, great. The brain-hacked idea, just childish. That would never ever happen. I'd bet my 360 on that.

  • 10.20.2009 1:56 AM PDT

Posted by: Dropship dude
No, acnboy. Spartain Ken 15 is a lesser being. Much like the bacteria that lives in your shi­t.
Posted by: mike120593
My shi­t bacteria takes offense to that comparison.

Don't make me lel. You won't like me when I lel.

Probably wouldn't happen, but who wouldn't want to play against Spartans? (even as bots)

  • 10.21.2009 4:02 AM PDT
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Contribute to 10,000,000,000 covie kills!

How do you hack a brain?

More over, why would the Covenant 'hack' brains if they could? They wont even use our weapons, even if they lose theirs mid fight...

  • 10.21.2009 4:05 AM PDT

http://www.halo-forum.com

I thought time travel was a bad idea... This isnt invasion of the body snatchers.

  • 10.21.2009 4:09 AM PDT

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I DON'T WANT 1 BILLION COOKIES. THAT BETTER BE 1 BILLION SANGHEILI SNACKS!
KAIDON is trying to learn WORT. but KAIDON already knows four moves. Forget an old move to learn WORT?
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Every Neuron in my head is firing with just Leets, Leets, Leets.

I have played Quake III a bit and love the use of bots, but it might take up a lot of production time for Bungie that could be used creating more maps or polishing the game. Implementing bots into vehicle maps may be difficult, too. Despite this, if the bots were challenging, this would be a great way to get some practice in for a particular weapon or vehicle at any time.

  • 10.21.2009 4:23 AM PDT
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If the Covenant could...uh..."Brain Hack", they would have won a loong time ago.

  • 10.21.2009 5:02 AM PDT
Subject: A.I. spartans!!

Brain Hack? Maybe control their suits... But then Chief would have definitely been on the Covenant's side by Halo: CE. No offense, but this is a horrible idea.
Edit: In response to your second edit I have to say that if the Covenant (or the Innies) could control Spartans for their own gain (in any way), Halo: CE, 2, and 3 would be completely different games. None of them work.

[Edited on 10.21.2009 5:29 AM PDT]

  • 10.21.2009 5:26 AM PDT
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Please go into further detail. I wish to understand the art of "brain hacking."

  • 10.21.2009 5:41 AM PDT
Subject: AI spartans!!

Posted by: Tucker 051
Posted by: Disparil
Posted by: Tucker 051
Posted by: Disparil
Posted by: Tucker 051
This is definitely on my list of worst ideas.


Glad it made your list,

So why is it?


You haven't read the books have you?


No your quite correct there, I was just throwing it out there. Is bungie really creatively restricted by the story lines that are inplace, so they can only make their Halo games around existing plot lines? Perhaps your right. Maybe this idea is one for the future not necessarily reach.


A possible random spin-off, possibly but not for Reach :)

When did bungie ever officially say this game was based on the books?

But I still think this idea is impossible, that doesnt mean bad.
It seems like you are meaning bots of various ai skill Disparil
and there really is no way to get any kind of ai to act like a human player. e.g. Gears of War bots.
Even if someone spent years making an ai that seemed human, it would take even longer to separate that ai into different skill levels instead of just giving it more health etc.
The amount of data required for something like this scares me into thinking blu ray will be required one day...

  • 10.24.2009 4:39 AM PDT
Subject: A.I. spartans!!

--blam!-2K8

Posted by: jordanJ
How do you hack a brain?

Spartans have brain implants.

[Edited on 10.24.2009 4:45 AM PDT]

  • 10.24.2009 4:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: KooIKidKarl2k8
Posted by: jordanJ
How do you hack a brain?

Spartans have brain implants.


So does every other Marine.

Covenant could Brain hack? Earth would lose. Big time.

  • 10.24.2009 5:58 AM PDT

Looking to hook up with some competent players! Please PM me if you want a decent team mate, looking to learn from good players and impart what I know to the team too. Im sick of going 'randy' and getting betrayed for the sniper etc.. and having to put up with BK team mates

Posted by: Sanjeev
Posted by: KooIKidKarl2k8
Posted by: jordanJ
How do you hack a brain?

Spartans have brain implants.


So does every other Marine.

Covenant could Brain hack? Earth would lose. Big time.


It would be the folly of the covenant to remain predictable and not try new measures to overthrow the human race.

'Brain hacking' isn't as crazy as you think, ever heard of hypnosis, the power of suggestion among other things? I saw a program where a guy was hooked up to electrodes and could move a mouse cursor around a screen. People who have lost there arms can have a robotic one fitted which they can move by their nervous system which is essentially used by the brain?

Well since the brain Hack idea isn't popular perhaps I could say that the covenant may seek to modify their battle approach by designing or 'breeding' a new covenant warrior to combat spartan 117 since he kiks azz! Read the updates in the OP, Im under no illusions though that this idea will ever see the light of day, however look at fire fight, I recall all the posts that were floating around the forum relating to the suggestion that bungie should create a 'horde' mode for H3. And they did, firefight. (Bungie fire fight is very cool BTW) anyway some of you guys should think outside the box sometime, its kinda cool,
=)

  • 10.26.2009 7:43 PM PDT

Spartans being hacked is a bit far fetched but I do have to say haveing the covenant build something to combat a spartan would make a great way to explain the sudden death of all spartans but the chief.Thus I have to say I like the idea for like a partial machine elite or something of the sorts.

  • 10.26.2009 7:56 PM PDT

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