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See you on Reach

Personally I thought Lockout was "meh". It's more visually interesting now, and that's something, but personally I think we need more big open maps...Blood Gulch...mmmmmm.

  • 10.20.2009 12:46 PM PDT

Posted by: Rambohagen
11701 games in 581 days
91 campain or 0.79%
3414 ranked or 29.16%
2555 social or 21.82%
5647 custom or 48.24%

An average of 20.150 games per day.
0.157 Campain
5.876 Ranked
4.395 Social
9.719 Custom

Whoever these stats belong to sure seem to not play much campain. And loves custom. Also seems to have a lot of free time.

If you assume that every game lasted 15 min the the average play time per day would be 5.037 hours, not counting time between games when waiting on matches.



Don't pretend you don't know, you're calling me out.

That's exactly right, I play for a very long time a day. This will change once I move back to my hometown. Will I still care if people are better than me? No, not at all, I will just adapt and become as good, if not better.

  • 10.20.2009 12:56 PM PDT

http://machinima.com/film/view&id=32425
number 2 friends get dominated

Posted by: BIGNERENT

Lockout sucked in halo 2 and it sucks now. I saw so many forums posted about a midship remake and how it was "SUCH A GOOD MLG MAP" and blood gulch is too big for an MLG player I though. Arn't MLG players at home in a map the size of a blood gulch base with walls and floors made out of BR's?


...did i just hear what i think i heard???
your first sentence may be the most blasphemous thing i have ever heard. When i got my xbox 360 i had only played a little halo 2 with my friends. We played a total of 4 games which were repeated without end. Lockout- Team Slayer, Lockout-One Flag, Coagulation-Team Slayer, Coagulation-2 flag
those 2 maps were the reason i bought that game a year and half after it came out and became obsessed with it. I could have walked through lockout with my eyes closed. If you say it sucks i do not respect you opinions in any way and anything you say is void.
Now, back on topic, i believe, unlike most people in this thread, that halo 3 was a perfect game. yes i said it. I didnt feel this way in the beginning but as i played more and more with my friends and we got so attached to it, i can honestly say i havent seen a better game. The weapons, and by weapons i mean, weapons people use, are all pretty equal, if you cant br, be more stealthy or get another weapon. its that simple. I hope reach is geared to the exact population it is now. Both casual gamers and hardcore. The mlg playlist let competetive people play against suitable enemies, and the other playlists let the casual people play at their leisure. the game was balanced contrary to popular belief

  • 10.20.2009 1:01 PM PDT

"When written in Chinese, the word 'crisis' is
composed of two characters--one represents danger,
and the other represents opportunity."
[JFK]

Not another MLG kid.
These games are not meant for you specificly,they're meant for fun. And the majority of the people like fun, but a small portion of the population (MLG) like generic.

See it would be like making a door knob on the left side while the majority of the people are right handed.

  • 10.20.2009 1:03 PM PDT

Don't hate... ...loathe.

The owner of those stats do dominate my own, and by a long shot (my k/d spead sucks) I must say they are also rare in there time applied. They most likly can use most wepons better but must understand that not everyone is so close to the flame and an wepon that can be better exploited by the extremely practiced breaks the game for them.

  • 10.20.2009 1:04 PM PDT
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Can you believe it?

If This Game Was Geared Towards Casual Players, I Would Still Play It. I Don't Really See The Point In Being Very Unhappy About Something In A Video Game. If This Helps Eliminate All Of The People In This Community Like You, Then I Support Making This Game More Casual.

[Edited on 10.20.2009 1:08 PM PDT]

  • 10.20.2009 1:06 PM PDT

i like me...


stick to halo 3...im ready for some change!

[Edited on 10.20.2009 1:34 PM PDT]

  • 10.20.2009 1:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: Master Megatron
Bungie needs to do that. Look at every weapon they've made, even the new ones for Reach, and ask themselves this: "Is there a gun in Halo that does this already?" And believe me, there are plenty of guns that can be cut and no one will notice. SMG and Spiker come to mind, among others. Same deal with vehicles.
I guess you can blame the BR for that. It makes all weapons useless except for the occasional power weapon.

Sure, the fact you can dual wield kinda helps screw this up since some weapons are even more worthless than they should normally be but this is the main problem people seem to be -blam!-ing about. The BR is a bad weapon because its too good, to the point where the only thing better is the designated power weapon for each respective range.

FFS i cant believe im posting in a BR thread... again. Mods should ban all new threads with the word "BR" or "Battle Rifle" in it.

[Edited on 10.20.2009 1:30 PM PDT]

  • 10.20.2009 1:27 PM PDT

Okay here we go...
You know what Halo was in the beginning (if you actually knew Halo existed back then [or were even alive])? I'll lay it out for you in a few simple steps:
1. Invite over friends.
2. Hook up TVs.
3. Order pizza.
4. Have FUN.
Many people (such as you) have lost sight of the last one. Halo was just a game to play with your buddies. Relax. Unwind. Scream at each other for kill stealing. You and your "pRo MLG PlAyAz" aren't playing the right game for what you want to accomplish. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. Halo was, and will be, a laid back game. Please find some other game where you can own some "-blam!- NuBz CaKeZ" and leave Halo Halo.

  • 10.20.2009 1:30 PM PDT

i like me...

Posted by: jfarag95
If Halo: Reach is geared even more towards casual players than Halo 3, how are you going to feel about it?

I personally am going to be VERY unhappy. I am tired of all the threads and things complaining about how the BR is overpowered. If they don't have a weapon with a scope, that kills in less that 4 shots, with more than 4 shots in the clip, I'm going to freak.

If they don't have a way of running the flag, I'm going to freak.

If they have 10 too many rapid fire weapons, I'm going to freak.

How will you feel if this game is geared toward "Weekend Warriors" or people who play once a month?


its pretty obvious you suffer from a severe video game addiction with the amount you play...might i recommend getting some help?

anyway my theory on why we havent seen any info on reach yet....cause people hate change. especially MLG players. remember how much they -blam!-ed when the BR was no longer a hit scan weapon?

they are not gonna release any info for a while based on the fact that they know people are gonna be pissed when they see how much different the game will be. if youre really that scared of change then stick to Halo 3, no one is gonna force you to play halo: reach. im actually really looking forward to seeing how much different this game is going to be. i welcome change!


[Edited on 10.20.2009 1:36 PM PDT]

  • 10.20.2009 1:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: MLD ShortStuff
Okay here we go...
You know what Halo was in the beginning (if you actually knew Halo existed back then [or were even alive])? I'll lay it out for you in a few simple steps:
1. Invite over friends.
2. Hook up TVs.
3. Order pizza.
4. Have FUN.


I host various tournaments and among the games played in it, is Halo (first 2 and now 3). MLG has sucked the fun right out of this game. No one will play if you don't use the MLG rulesets because they are the "most balanced" which my reply to this is usually "look up the word "balance" in a dictionary"

  • 10.20.2009 1:36 PM PDT

Yeah," Balance" and "MLG" go together like "Eating" and "Lead". One weapon for everything, check. One weapon that's useless, check. One rocket based weapon, check. One close range weapon, check. One long range weapon, check.
Oh boy, does that sound like fun or what...

[Edited on 10.20.2009 1:44 PM PDT]

  • 10.20.2009 1:40 PM PDT

Posted by: MLD ShortStuff
Okay here we go...
You know what Halo was in the beginning (if you actually knew Halo existed back then [or were even alive])? I'll lay it out for you in a few simple steps:
1. Invite over friends.
2. Hook up TVs.
3. Order pizza.
4. Have FUN.
Many people (such as you) have lost sight of the last one. Halo was just a game to play with your buddies. Relax. Unwind. Scream at each other for kill stealing. You and your "pRo MLG PlAyAz" aren't playing the right game for what you want to accomplish. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. Halo was, and will be, a laid back game. Please find some other game where you can own some "-blam!- NuBz CaKeZ" and leave Halo Halo.


I do not speak in 1337 speak first of all.

Second, I am laid back with this game when I'm playing, it's easy, all I see are people shooting with rapid fire weapons across map and using useless weapons at the range they are at. I had fun every time I played Halo CE. I know what Halo CE was, and I was born during the time of it's making (obviously, if you cannot guess my age there must me something wrong with you.) I was amazing at Halo CE for XBox and PC, and could out-gun other opponents in pistol battles and other things, but I never really did this, instead, I'd ask my opponents to play games of Hide n' Seek on Blood Gulch and other things. This game isn't all about competetivity, but we really need some. With casual players playing casually, they will verse other casual players in the same trueskill range as them (I don't get how some people don't get this.) and will not have to verse the people who have progressed ahead of them. It's an easy concept to grasp, hardcore groundroots for Reach will not be a bad thing, it will improve everyones skill and attitude.

  • 10.20.2009 1:43 PM PDT

DO THE IMPOSSIBLE.

If you want to complain about the differences between MLG and Casual, saying it's 'Oh so eeeeeasy nowadays', take it up with a forum ninja.

Go on. Send 'em a message or two. Or three. Or four. Or maybe more!

Who knows? All this whining can pay off!

¬_¬

  • 10.20.2009 1:44 PM PDT


Posted by: ericstifer

You obviously can't make a valid arguement.

I want change you moron

THAT IS WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.

I want this game to be competetive instead of laid back.

  • 10.20.2009 1:45 PM PDT

What I'm trying to say is that if the two elements are kept separate, or can co exist together, then I'm fine. It's just MLG is trying to say: "Look, this is the only Halo you (and everyone else) need". That's not cool cause a hulluva lot of people aren't into MLG. And sorry about the double assumption there.

  • 10.20.2009 1:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Bungie is going to fix the game to its liking. They don't like the BR so as much as you want it in, chances are that it wont be in the next game. At least not as it currently is. Sure, the skin might stay but they will probably change its firing rate or something. I still don't know what is the whole problem with the whole BR issue? BR or no BR, MLG will find a new weapon to replace it in its gametypes and make the game "competitive"(maybe the Carbine).

[Edited on 10.20.2009 1:54 PM PDT]

  • 10.20.2009 1:53 PM PDT

DO THE IMPOSSIBLE.

Posted by: jfarag95

Posted by: ericstifer

You obviously can't make a valid arguement.

I want change you moron

THAT IS WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.

I want this game to be competetive instead of laid back.


First of all, whoever gave you the power to force players to be good at the game?

Think about it; Every Pro was a Noob once.
If you don't build from the basics, you're gonna suck it hard.

MLG Players who get angry at more new guys are just being plain ignorant of the fact that they were once them.

If Halo was for Professionals to begin with, nobody would be able to play unless they'd practiced for weeks on end!

It's dumb to try to force a game to be Pro-Only, and if you want to play with Pros, go bug some of them in the forums, or in the games.

Try joining a game with Pros, and see if you get kicked from the party. You should proberly understand now that MLG Players and Professionals aren't all the best in the social department, so I suggest you hone your skills and get a grip.

If you don't like them or you don't want to be full of MLG, don't bother complaining!

[Edited on 10.20.2009 1:56 PM PDT]

  • 10.20.2009 1:54 PM PDT

You made a fatal flaw in your argument - you point out that Trueskill will match you up against people in your own skill range. Unfortunately, people have taken advantage of the system and I find matches are very rarely balanced.

In early Halo 3 days, I founds matches pretty even - there wasn't the boosting issues we see now and most games ended pretty competitively. A few games were blowouts, but they were few and far between.

It seems now when I turn on matchmaking, games end up in either a blow-out loss or a blow-out win. Players take the game WAY too seriously. And the "social" gametypes are almost worse - players go there to "beat up" on "noob" players which ruins all the fun. It's supposed to be social - i.e. casual games for fun. Instead, it's easier to end up with 1 team having multiple players drop out and the remainder being spawn camped. How is that fun for anyone?

The problem I have with Halo is with the culture, not the game. The "hardcore" players almost ruin the fun for me. It's the people who take it too seriously that ruin it for us true "casual" gamers. The EXP system helps reward the players who take the game seriously, but for those of us who play to have fun and don't care about wins, loses, EXP, etc. it simply provides another part of the game for some "serious" players to try to exploit. It seems people are so concerned over their rank and exp that they forget the purpose is to have fun and to make it competitive and fun for everyone...

Sorry for the rant.

[Edited on 10.20.2009 2:20 PM PDT]

  • 10.20.2009 2:04 PM PDT

DO THE IMPOSSIBLE.

Posted by: BankableKarma
Sorry for the rant.


Win.

  • 10.20.2009 2:07 PM PDT

*Sips tea*

Posted by: jfarag95
If Halo: Reach is geared even more towards casual players than Halo 3, how are you going to feel about it?

I personally am going to be VERY unhappy. I am tired of all the threads and things complaining about how the BR is overpowered. If they don't have a weapon with a scope, that kills in less that 4 shots, with more than 4 shots in the clip, I'm going to freak.

If they don't have a way of running the flag, I'm going to freak.

If they have 10 too many rapid fire weapons, I'm going to freak.

How will you feel if this game is geared toward "Weekend Warriors" or people who play once a month?


Personally, I won't care.

What you hardcore players have to realize is that casual gamers outnumber you probably about 1000 to 1. Over half of the people who play video games at all play them casually, not hardcore. You are the minority.

Secondly, what do you care? If a "noob" can kill you with an assault rifle before you kill them with your precious BR, guess what you should do: Get an Assault Rifle.

If you feel like Halo is too much of a sprayfest, go play Call of Duty 4.

If you feel like Halo is no longer fun for you...GO PLAY A DIFFERENT GAME.

If you still want to play Halo after you've decided you hate all your other games and Call of Duty 4, just shut up and enjoy it. It's a game. Games are not real. It shouldn't matter to you so much if the game is for casual players or not. What matters is if you are having fun or not.

If you are not having fun playing a game, you're doing it wrong. I don't mean that sarcastically. We play games to have fun. If you aren't...Go do something else!

Or lighten up. I know I had way more fun once I started driving off cliffs and dancing than when I played MLG and freaked out if the flag got stolen...

  • 10.20.2009 2:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: BankableKarma
You made a fatal flaw in your argument - you point out that Trueskill will match you up against people in your own skill range. Unfortunately, people have taken advantage of the system and I find matches are very rarely balanced.

In early Halo 3 days, I founds matches pretty even - there wasn't the boosting issues we see now and most games ended pretty competitively. A few games were blowouts, but they were few and far between.

It seems now when I turn on matchmaking, games end up in either a blow-out loss or a blow out win. Players take the game WAY too seriously. And the "social" gametypes are almost worse - players go there to "beat up" on "noob" players which ruins all the fun. It's supposed to be social - i.e. casual games for fun. Instead, it's easier to end up with 1 team having multiple players drop out and the remainder being spawn camped. How is that fun for anyone?

The problem I have with Halo is with the culture, not the game. The "hardcore" players almost ruin the fun for me. It's the people who take it too seriously that ruin it for us true "casual" gamers. The EXP system helps reward the players who take the game seriously, but for those of us who play to have fun and don't care about wins, loses, ext, etc. it simply provides another part of the game for some "serious" players to try to exploit. It seems people are so concerned over their rank and exp that they forget the purpose is to have fun and to make it competitive and fun for everyone...

Sorry for the rant.


Sorry? You mad? If only more people on the forums posted like this i wouldn't have to smack my face against my keyboard as often. The whole trueskill thing is right on. When you play social slayer you get a 4v4 match with one team having 4 level 50's and another team with a 40ish, some 30 /w his guest and some guy who quits. That or you get matched up against 4 lvl 1-10's who are really generals who started their 6th account.

  • 10.20.2009 2:14 PM PDT

Posted by: Master Megatron
Posted by: MLD ShortStuff
What I'm trying to say is that if the two elements are kept separate, or can co exist together, then I'm fine. It's just MLG is trying to say: "Look, this is the only Halo you (and everyone else) need". That's not cool cause a hulluva lot of people aren't into MLG. And sorry about the double assumption there.


MLG does not say that. It is an organization that plays Halo a certain way. They do not force anyone to play that, or say it's the only way. The people who do say that are elitists and people you don't want to associate with anyway. The MLG players I've played with are pretty nice people, knowing that MLG is just an option.

As for the BR, I do think there needs to be a midrange weapon, and the BR/CArbine suit that role. It's the fact that they can kill on their own that is the issue. I see the ODST pistol as that midrange weapon: reaches pretty far, but can't drop shields on its own. That, to me, would work.



Are you telling me, that a kill should take half a minute with a mid/long range weapon? If you are, you must be crazy. I really am hoping for the M6D. Don't let me down Bungie...

  • 10.20.2009 2:29 PM PDT