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Subject: The BR will be in reach.

Confound these ponies, they drive me to insomnia.

Also, Applejack ftw.

Proof. Shut up.

Halo: Contact Harvest takes place roughly 27 years before 2552. Sergeant Avery Johnson Junior is holding a Battle Rifle, a BR55HR, more specifically. The variant you use in Halo 3.

Quit whining. You'll have your Battle Rifle.

  • 10.20.2009 11:30 PM PDT

Non Nobis Nascimur - We are not born for ourselves.

What if I don't want the BR? Can I whine about that?

  • 10.20.2009 11:32 PM PDT

Confound these ponies, they drive me to insomnia.

Also, Applejack ftw.

Posted by: Wild Smurf 14
What if I don't want the BR? Can I whine about that?


...No...

  • 10.20.2009 11:44 PM PDT

bungie has proven that a bunch of monkeys sitting in front of keyboards can randomly type out a masterpiece. the thing is, when you go to play the masterpiece, you cant help but notice all the monkey s**t smeared all over it.

it gets real old having to wait months for someone like mlg to clean off all the monkey poo.

Posted by: Wild Smurf 14
What if I don't want the BR? Can I whine about that?

if you dont like shooting people, play a different game.

ar fan? play fightnight or gears.
crouch in alot of corners? play cod.
like riding mongooses? barbie's horse adventure.

  • 10.21.2009 12:01 AM PDT
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Dont't tell people to shut up.

  • 10.21.2009 12:07 AM PDT

Non Nobis Nascimur - We are not born for ourselves.

No, I'm good with a BR. I just think it's too powerful, it makes the other weapons seem kinda pointless.

  • 10.21.2009 12:07 AM PDT

May the Forge be with you.

Posted by: Shaboopi cannon
Proof. Shut up.


I could argue that the BR wasn't in Combat Evolved, even though that game's setting takes place "roughly 27 years" after Contact Harvest.

I want the Battle Rifle back just like (most) everyone else. But I doubt writers have anything to do with choosing which weapons to put in the game.

  • 10.21.2009 12:09 AM PDT

In all seriousness, I doubt that Bungie will put the Battle Rifle in Halo: Reach.

They didn't put it in ODST because it's an unbalanced, overpowered weapon.

So unless Bungie randomly falls back in love with the BR, it won't be in Halo: Reach, unless of course they heavily modify it to the point where it's no longer the gun you once loved.

Don't like it?

Go play Gears of War, or Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, or Barbie's Horse Adventures.

Because without the Battle Rifle Halo is indistinguishable from those games.

...Obviously, I mean seriously folks, why play a Halo game without a BR, there's no point. Using the BR is the only thing that takes skill in Halo games, or any game for that matter. Nothing else other than strafing back and forth whilst four shotting someone else is a legitimate tactic and if you think otherwise you're a NOOB that should be playing something else or dying in a gutter.

  • 10.21.2009 12:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: Wild Smurf 14
No, I'm good with a BR. I just think it's too powerful, it makes the other weapons seem kinda pointless.


the BRs power is an easy fix, and odds are bungie already addressed this issue.

any way the problem i have with the BR is the Roll is takes.
the definition of a Battle Rifle is a gas operated semi auto weapon that fires a full sized rifle round like the 30-06 or 762x51 which ironically the AR shoots

i would like the BR be semi auto so its more accuracy oriented instead of another assault rifle.

once again this is beyond relevancy but i posted this a while ago, this is what I would like to see bungie do with the AR and BR

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=38208897

[Edited on 10.21.2009 12:22 AM PDT]

  • 10.21.2009 12:13 AM PDT

Non Nobis Nascimur - We are not born for ourselves.

That's what I was thinking. Make it semi-auto, like the BR in the Halo 2 trailer.

  • 10.21.2009 12:15 AM PDT

bungie has proven that a bunch of monkeys sitting in front of keyboards can randomly type out a masterpiece. the thing is, when you go to play the masterpiece, you cant help but notice all the monkey s**t smeared all over it.

it gets real old having to wait months for someone like mlg to clean off all the monkey poo.

Posted by: Ray MK IV

...Obviously, I mean seriously folks, why play a Halo game without a BR, there's no point. Using the BR is the only thing that takes skill in Halo games, or any game for that matter. Nothing else other than strafing back and forth whilst four shotting someone else is a legitimate tactic and if you think otherwise you're a NOOB that should be playing something else or dying in a gutter.


guns in halo that shoot more then 20 feet: br, carbine, snipe, rockets.
guns in halo that dont: everything else.

% of halo spent more then 20 feet from opponants= 90%?
% of halo spent less then 20 feet from opponants= 10%?

like it or not noob, it fulfills a role too large of a role in gameplay to just dissapear.

without it, or a suitable replacement we would have "Halo: Gears of War edition" where all the teams do is just cartwheel over to each other and beat each other down.

  • 10.21.2009 12:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ray MK IV
...Obviously, I mean seriously folks, why play a Halo game without a BR, there's no point. Using the BR is the only thing that takes skill in Halo games, or any game for that matter. Nothing else other than strafing back and forth whilst four shotting someone else is a legitimate tactic and if you think otherwise you're a NOOB that should be playing something else or dying in a gutter.


never mind my bad i should have read the entire post first

[Edited on 10.21.2009 12:54 AM PDT]

  • 10.21.2009 12:44 AM PDT

Just because it was in use at the time, doesn't mean that it will be usable in game. It was at earth during the time period of Halo 3: ODST but it wasn't usable. We have no idea about any weapons that will/will not be in Reach.

  • 10.21.2009 12:47 AM PDT

Its a trap!!!

I will only accept the BRs removal if they bring back the M6D (h1 pistol) completley. Its a bit more powerful then the BR but it takes even more skill to use and a lot of people won't be good at it....
wait the BR is easier to use then the pistol but a lot of people still aren't very good with it.

To be honest the BR doesnt seem overpowered in Spartan vs Spartan combat.

The 6 power weapons retain their viablility BR or not. The AR, SMG, Plasma Rifle, Mauler, Spiker can still beat a BR weilder in CQC.

Needler is too random of a weapon to compare to anything.
The magnum sucks but it can be dual weilded and sometimes can beat someone with poor battle rifle aim or as I like to call it a fighting chance weapon.
I put the plasma pistol in the same category as the needler its not as good as in previous halo games so it seems to only work in some situations

Take out mid range to make spray and pray better?

I see so many kids pull out their ARs as I back peddle for my life with the BR. Its kinda sad that they charge me jumping up and down in a straight line and actually wave it around wildly from side to side even if i dont make a strafe motion. Is their aim that poor? But we give up the games midrange so those people can be happy?

I remember a time when games were mostly harder and took skill to play it seems now a days games are catering to everyone decreasing the skill. I want to keep halo as a skillfull game.

If people want to bring back the H1 pistol over the BR then I can understand where you are comming from. If you want to make spray weapons better then learn to aim better and use the weapons of the game in their proper situations

  • 10.21.2009 12:50 AM PDT

Marine Corps.
Semper Fi.

Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.

That is in no way proof. Absolute proof would be confirmation from Bungie or playing a version of the final copy of the game.

Concept art is not even proof. Remember the concept art for ODST? There was a Battle Rifle in one of the drop pods and that obviously never came to be.

  • 10.21.2009 12:52 AM PDT

33rd Mythic conqueror (Campaign Solo Legendary All Skulls On)

Here is my viewpoint on the BR:

If there is one, it should be toned down extremely. Make it one of those rare gems that you get in campaign and make it rare in multiplayer. I know that you are fans of BR's, and to say that I am not would be an absolute lie. The BR is too powerful, and don't deny it. It is the weapon you always look for, go to, and use. It really washes down what makes halo great... the weapons. I really loved ODST because it forced you to use what weapons you had available instead of the BR and then whatever was available (Usually an assault rifle or sniper) as a secondary. I actually used a spiker for the first time in forever while playing ODST. The lack of dual wielding and the BR made the gameplay much more fun and refreshing. So I say keep the BR in the game, but treat it as a power weapon.

[Edited on 10.21.2009 1:56 AM PDT]

  • 10.21.2009 1:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: Madara Umezawa
Take out mid range to make spray and pray better?

I see so many kids pull out their ARs as I back peddle for my life with the BR. Its kinda sad that they charge me jumping up and down in a straight line and actually wave it around wildly from side to side even if i dont make a strafe motion. Is their aim that poor? But we give up the games midrange so those people can be happy?


1- I would like to see the AR be the mid range weapon, give a zoom like the ODST SMG, or an aim like the RFG AR

2- with a spartan Auto fire is not spray and pray. I would think a 1000 pound super solder would be able to handle recoil. not saying Auto fire should be perfectly accurate but a Spartans should be able to put rounds in the center of mass at 50m.

3- even when i burst and Strafe with the AR i will still lose. this is because the AR dose little armor damage to put emphasis on melees; "a good concept" however i don't think the games assault rifle should be a purpose built bludgeoning tool

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  • 10.21.2009 1:04 AM PDT

Add Hackey09 for Mlg

the br is necessary to win games like someone else said u spend the majority of the time too far away for weapons like the ar or smg to get a kill you need a mid to long range weapon and the br fits that role perfectly without it, it doesn't feel like halo. i missed it in odst but with the upgraded pistol it was so bad if they are gonna leave it out they need to put maybe the h1 pistol or something to take its place

  • 10.21.2009 1:26 AM PDT

Its a trap!!!

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Posted by: Madara Umezawa
Take out mid range to make spray and pray better?

I see so many kids pull out their ARs as I back peddle for my life with the BR. Its kinda sad that they charge me jumping up and down in a straight line and actually wave it around wildly from side to side even if i dont make a strafe motion. Is their aim that poor? But we give up the games midrange so those people can be happy?



1- I would like to see the AR be the mid range weapon, give a zoom like the ODST SMG, or an aim like the RFG AR

2- with a spartan Auto fire is not spray and pray, spay and pray. i would think a 1000 pound super solder would be able to handle recoil. not saying Auto fire should be perfectly accurate but a Spartans should be able to put rounds in the center of mass at 50m.

3- even when i burst and Strafe with the AR i will still lose. this is because the AR dose little armor damage to put emphasis on melees; "a good concept" however i don't think the games assault rifle should be a purpose built bludgeoning tool


Even if they added a scope to the AR it still doesnt have effective range to deal with a sniper properly. The bullets tend to loose accuracy pretty quiclky beyond the closer end to mid range. To a sniper on a small map like guardian the AR bullets from top goold lift to sniper tower will still seem like BB gun bullets by the time it reaches the sniper.

The game would loose mid range and open up for more camping especially when the opposing side has sniper control..

So what would they have to do? Dramatically change the weapons burst to be something less spammy. At the same time they would probably need to make the weapon weaker then the previous version. Kinda like the SMG in ODST. In the end you will have something fucntioning simular to the BR and thats not what anyone wants. And it wouldnt be balanced in full auto. Its hit or miss with weapons like the BR and Carbine (not a full auto spray where you can miss some bullets but it wont matter if you would miss some with a full auto).. so the final product would probably resemble a BR to greatly.

To adress the ODST SMG again... I liked it for killing grunts and jackals from somewhat of a distance... But to be honest in a Halo 3 like multiplayer it would kinda suck. Instead of taking out the BR and adding an SMG scope like weapon. I rather keep the "Dumb" SMG that is more powerful and not make a dumb BR replacement

I guess what I am trying to say is leave the accurate weapons for mid/long range to single shot and small burst weapons and leave the close range to the spammy weapons. Its how it works in real life especially when taking accuracy into account

  • 10.21.2009 1:40 AM PDT
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Posted by: Madara Umezawa
Even if they added a scope to the AR it still doesnt have effective range to deal with a sniper properly. The bullets tend to loose accuracy pretty quiclky beyond the closer end to mid range. To a sniper on a small map like guardian the AR bullets from top goold lift to sniper tower will still seem like BB gun bullets by the time it reaches the sniper.
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1- the AR actually is almost as accurate as the BR when fired in burst a scope would just be a player assist.

2- your right about the AR not having a long enough effective range, but Halo in general takes place in close Quarters. the ARs bullets disappear at about 120m just for reference the pavement in Sand Box from end to end is 150m so i think the AR should get a range and accuracy increase. and for more range reference the AK-47s effective range is 300m the FN FAL efective range is 600m and the AR shoots the same 76.2x51mm the FN FAL dose

3-and about the Sniper scenario, that just a problem in halo 3, for some reason the ARs mussel velocity was reduced lower than that of a paint ball gun.

4- I never said the BR should be removed

so what I'm getting at is bungie should tweak the AR to be the Mid range weapon

or hell if you want a more in depth response. here is the address to a post i made a while ago. it probably is not relevant anymore but what the hell.
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=38208897

[Edited on 10.21.2009 2:27 AM PDT]

  • 10.21.2009 1:56 AM PDT

Its a trap!!!

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Posted by: Madara Umezawa
Even if they added a scope to the AR it still doesnt have effective range to deal with a sniper properly. The bullets tend to loose accuracy pretty quiclky beyond the closer end to mid range. To a sniper on a small map like guardian the AR bullets from top goold lift to sniper tower will still seem like BB gun bullets by the time it reaches the sniper.
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1- the AR actually is almost as accurate as the BR when fired in burst a scope would just be a player assist.

2- your right about the AR not having a long enough effective range, but Halo in general takes place in close Quarters. the ARs bullets disappear at about 120m just for reference the pavement in Sand Box from end to end is 150m so i think the AR should get a range and accuracy increase

3-and about the Sniper scenario, that just a problem in halo 3, for some reason the ARs mussel velocity was reduced lower than that of a paint ball gun.

4- I never said the BR should be removed

so what I'm getting at is bungie should tweak the AR to be the Mid range weapon

or hell if you want a more in depth response. here is the address to a post i made a while ago. it probably is not relevant anymore.
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=38208897



If I have a BR and no power weapon I will usually pick up a SMG or plasma rifle as a secondary to get some good close range in. If the AR as you proposed had increased range and scope and yet could still be as accurate as a BR in burst. Then it would horribly outbalance the game more then the BR ever could. No one would have any reason to ever pick up those weapons again.

At least a weapon like the BR and Smg are from 2 sides of the spectrum and dont behave simular to each other in any true sense. But you got an assault rifle that does it all really would make the other weapons feel pretty redundant.

You could poke a couple shots into someone and just close in for the full auto. Normally where an SMG could do more damage in CQC now will fail for sure since this the AR would be too good at everything


oh an BTW AR bullets do more damage then BR bullets as stated by Bungie just if you are unsure so a burst AR would trump a BR. Not to try to be rude to you but I think you just dont like the BR and arent really making responses because you think its unbalanced. You just want to see Automatics takeover

[Edited on 10.21.2009 2:33 AM PDT]

  • 10.21.2009 2:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: Madara Umezawa
If I have a BR and no power weapon I will usually pick up a SMG or plasma rifle as a secondary to get some good close range in. If the AR as you proposed had incread range and scope and yet could still be as accurate as a BR in burst. Then it would horribly outbalance the game more then the BR ever could. No one would have any reason to ever pick up those weapons again.
At least a weapon like the BR and Smg are from 2 sides of the spectrum and dont behave simular to each other in any true sense. But you got an assault rifle that does it all really would make the options to use other weapons a waste of time and almost would make it feel redundant


well that's the thing about the AR I proposed. It would do everything well and noting perfectly, EX: the BR and Carbine would win at longer ranges, and the SMG, spiker, and plasma rifle. would win up close. what i tried to do with the AR is make it versatile.

and the AR i proposed would be perfect for a situation where you have a dedicated purpose weapon as a primary like the Sniper, Rocket launcher, ect. so now you have a weapon competent at all ranges. with anoter weapon with a deticated purpose, other wise BR, SMG or BR, Shotgun would be and is a perfect anti Spartan set up

Im not proposing a Burst AR, the AR should be Auto fire, however when you control you fire, the AR should be and is more accurate. Bungie emphasizes using short controlled burst with the AR.

i know the AR dose more damage than the BR however the BR has head shot ability and the AR dose little armor damage. the reason for this being Bungie wanted to emphasize the use of melees. i don't like the concept of the MA5 actually being a purpose built bludgeoning tool

but the main purpose of this is to make the Gun fun to use

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  • 10.21.2009 2:34 AM PDT

Its a trap!!!

"It would do everything well and noting perfectly"

exactly but a weapon like that is needed just as adding a magnum to AR start games. They both do what they do well but there are stuff that once you have they do better

But this could be Halo 2 and they could just start us off with SMG and have no AR =/

In halo 1 it was still the same the assault rifle was less accuarate but seem pretty powerful...but the pistol in turn was 3 shots if you had great aim. The shotgun had a much further range for a kill... and there the problem still existed

but i think its good to start off with a weapon that "..would do everything well and noting perfectly" A weapon to have a fighting chance thats not too inacurate in at a further range like an smg and still has deccent CQC power

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  • 10.21.2009 2:43 AM PDT
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Posted by: Madara Umezawa
"It would do everything well and noting perfectly"


but i think its good to start off with a weapon that "..would do everything well and noting perfectly" A weapon to have a fighting chance thats not too inacurate in at a further range like an smg and still has deccent CQC power


that would be the AR i proposed, OK I'll summarize everything Im saying

M7 Sub Machine Gun "Close quarter auto fire weapon"

MA5B Assault rifle "Versatile weapon that is Functional at all ranges but not very effective at any particular range generally for mid range engagements"

BR55 Battle Rifle "accurate, long range Specialized weapon not quite a big bore sniper"

so BR and SMG would be perfect Spartan fighting set up,
however if you want a power weapon, you would want a versatile "jack of all trades" weapon in you arsenal.

or for campaign mode. i would like to have a versatile weapon to use when my primary is not practical.

in campaign i could kill all the sniper jackals with AR at long range, but it takes 7 to 9 shots on normal to kill a jackal.




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  • 10.21.2009 2:56 AM PDT

I'm 23, I have a house, dog, girlfriend, job and I have no interest in any fanboyism so if you're thinking about sending me a childish PM, don't be surprised when I don't call back.

If the BR was removed i would be annoyed because i value long range and accurate weapons more than the close range B button fight. I'm not a BR fanboy because i don't understand how i can be a fan of a video game weapon? odd...

Anyway i would like another one or maybe two weapons that bridge the gap between close and long range. Maybe a carbine type weapon that could stand up to the BR? not the covenant carbine...

If another couple of mid range weapons were added then people would complain less about the BR being overpowered.

  • 10.21.2009 2:58 AM PDT

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