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Subject: These are all nice ideas....

SOME PEOPLE all want flyable Pelican's, a longer campaign, more weapons, more variations of existing weapons and vehicles as well as new vehicles. SOME PEOPLE want firefight, improved forge modes and larger MP maps for 16 v 16 play. SOME PEOPLE could go on but I won't.

The point is, is even half of what SOME PEOPLE said realisticly going to happen. After you take disk space into account, SOME PEOPLE think to THERESELVES "have Bungie really had that long to work on Reach? Have enough people been working on it instead of other projects? Are SOME PEOPLE setting out hopes ridiculously high and having unrealistic thoughts?"

Thoughts?

[Edited on 10.21.2009 12:58 PM PDT]

  • 10.21.2009 7:27 AM PDT

Posted by: Elvinator 1994
We all want flyable Pelican's, a longer campaign, more weapons, more variations of existing weapons and vehicles as well as new vehicles. We want firefight, improved forge modes and larger MP maps for 16 v 16 play. I could go on but I won't.

The point is, is even half of what I said realisticly going to happen. After you take disk space into account, I think to myself "have Bungie really had that long to work on Reach? Have enough people been working on it instead of other projects? Are we setting out hopes ridiculously high and having unrealistic thoughts?"

Thoughts?

I agree with everything he just said ^.

  • 10.21.2009 7:35 AM PDT

bungie has proven that a bunch of monkeys sitting in front of keyboards can randomly type out a masterpiece. the thing is, when you go to play the masterpiece, you cant help but notice all the monkey s**t smeared all over it.

it gets real old having to wait months for someone like mlg to clean off all the monkey poo.

firefight and forge improvements are good.

phooie on almost everything else.

more then 16 players? nope.
pelicans? do not want.
new weapons? all the old new weapons ended up being retarded.

[Edited on 10.21.2009 7:42 AM PDT]

  • 10.21.2009 7:37 AM PDT

1.Arkham Asylum, 2.Mass Effect, 3.Halo CE, 4.Mass Effect 2, 5.Halo 2, 6.Splinter Cell Double Agent, 7.Gears of War 2, 8.Medievil, 9.Oblivion, 10.Crash Team Racing

Nothing 2 BluRays and Xbox720 can't do...

If the new engine and technology won't do miracles we just see improved Halo3. ODST style big but short and copy&pasted campaign, 10ish multiplayer maps and some campaign/multiplayer areas tweaked into Firefight. The few new Elite and Human weapons replace Prowlers, Spikers... Bungie could save from MP maps though: 1 takes about 100mbs and they can be added through DLC.

I'm just expecting Halo1/ODST style campaign, Halo3 style multiplayer, heavily improved AI and full Firefight.

  • 10.21.2009 7:41 AM PDT

He watches every Hodgetwin video they put up...on ALL their channels. He calls them the Hodge Triplets, and considers himself the 3rd triplet. He's started talking and acting like them now. Every other line out of his mouth "Thaaas some BULLLLLL**** maaayne" or "Gotta make dem gainzzzz". He calls his biceps "gains". When he eats post-workout, he talks to his biceps, "Don't worry gains, I'm feeding you. Daddys gonna feed you, gainz *kisses biceps*".

Topic creator, you have a good point. Every Halo game that comes out, I'm expecting it to totally blow my mind away. None of them have (though I have loved them all dearly, and it is my minority opinion that Halo 3 > Halo 2 > Halo 1, meaning they've gotten better). But chances are, Reach isn't going to make our jaws hit the floor, and we need to prepare for that.

Seems to me that we all dream because Halo has so, so much potential. But most of it will go unfulfilled, and we ought to keep it in mind... :(

  • 10.21.2009 7:48 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Bungie has gotten better about the whole hype thing this time around. Halo 2 and 3 didn't live up to expectations because everyone's expectations were unrealistically high, whether it be expecting either game to turn out more like Halo 1, to be longer, less glitchy, whatever. Every game has its flaws, though, and that's what people need to keep in mind. Most assumed Halo 2 and 3 would be "perfect." They're not, and they were never going to be. And if you didn't expect them to be perfect, you expected them to be better than what they were, but "better" in who's opinion? Your own. "Better" is not, and never will be, an objective description.

These expectations were built on really awesome, tailored-for-hype trailers. The Halo 2 and Halo 3 announcements were epic, and both trailers looked absolutely gorgeous. But Bungie couldn't make a game the size and scale they wanted with the amount of graphical effects they showed in the trailer (even if it was the in-game engine).

And then with Halo 2, you had the infamous E3 2003 gameplay trailer, a "demo" that looked great, looked like it played great, and was just all-around awesome. Bungie spent too much time making an awesome-looking demo (that no one but them and a few others got to play) and not enough time working on the game itself, in the sense that what we see in the Demo was in no way a playable part of the game. This is something they've basically admitted to, and it really damaged Halo 2 as a final product in the end. But hey, Halo 2 was still great, wasn't it? I think it was, but I recognize that, even in my own opinion, it could have been better.

If you look at what they've done differently since that E3 demo, you'll notice that we don't have nearly as much in terms of pre-completion gameplay demonstrations for Halo 3, ODST, and now even with Reach. I think they've made a good decision to not let us see material that isn't completed and mostly polished. We didn't see any ODST gameplay footage until the game was already finished (but had yet to be released).

Building up expectations and false hope will damage the quality of Reach before it's even released (even if we don't realize it before then). Let's say we see a demo with flyable Pelicans, or with a single-shot BR; what if in the end, Bungie goes back on these decisions due to what they deem are valid gameplay reasons? That'll piss a lot of people off, and probably make many of them drop their controllers and refuse to play the game. Not good.

I'm going to try to not have expectations of specific things in the game. I expect the game to be great, and I'm pretty sure that it will be in the end (Bungie, imo, has consistently made great games).

  • 10.21.2009 8:36 AM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

ODST;MYTHIC Screenshot winner! One of the first to get their hands on the mythic map pack.

I was over-hyped for Halo 3: ODST, but then I got it and, well, I over-hyped the game. It didn't meet my expectations, so from that I have learned to lower my expectations. If you have low expectations, the game will be all that better when it meets and passes those expectations.

But if you have high expectations, odds are it won't meet your expectations, and then you will have a lot to complain about instead of enjoying the game completely.




But it is fair to say that with almost 3 years working on the game, Halo: Reach, that we won't be uber dissapointed.

I am hoping though that Bungie has learned from their mistakes and they release Halo: Reach on 2 disks, instead of one like Halo 3, so they don't have to cut so much material from the game.

Also I hope that they do some work on the Campaign, Firefight and Theater servers. But really, those are my only real expectations.

  • 10.21.2009 9:31 AM PDT

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Worst idea ever...http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=8664824

Most of the ideas people are suggesting would probably be impossible to add at this point. Think about it, the game has been in development for 2 years. That means they have most likely completed the story, and are now working on mechanics, and graphics overall. Some of the things people are suggesting are so game changing that Bungie would basically have to start over. For instance, flyable Pelicans in Campaign and Multiplayer. If they haven't added a flyable Pelican already, then they would have to go back into the story, make a change to something so that the mission would require you to pilot a Pelican. And for multiplayer they would have to begin creating the largest map possible for a multiplayer game just so the damn Pelican would be useful as a vehicle.
TL;DR: People need to think about their ideas and how much they would change the game before they post them.

  • 10.21.2009 9:59 AM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

ODST;MYTHIC Screenshot winner! One of the first to get their hands on the mythic map pack.

Posted by: Frost1691 1691
Most of the ideas people are suggesting would probably be impossible to add at this point. Think about it, the game has been in development for 2 years. That means they have most likely completed the story, and are now working on mechanics, and graphics overall. Some of the things people are suggesting are so game changing that Bungie would basically have to start over. For instance, flyable Pelicans in Campaign and Multiplayer. If they haven't added a flyable Pelican already, then they would have to go back into the story, make a change to something so that the mission would require you to pilot a Pelican. And for multiplayer they would have to begin creating the largest map possible for a multiplayer game just so the damn Pelican would be useful as a vehicle.
TL;DR: People need to think about their ideas and how much they would change the game before they post them.
Not true, think about it, Halo 3: ODST was done in like a year, so some of the things being suggested could be possible.

  • 10.21.2009 10:10 AM PDT

GT= Frost1691
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Worst idea ever...http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=8664824

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Posted by: Frost1691 1691
Most of the ideas people are suggesting would probably be impossible to add at this point. Think about it, the game has been in development for 2 years. That means they have most likely completed the story, and are now working on mechanics, and graphics overall. Some of the things people are suggesting are so game changing that Bungie would basically have to start over. For instance, flyable Pelicans in Campaign and Multiplayer. If they haven't added a flyable Pelican already, then they would have to go back into the story, make a change to something so that the mission would require you to pilot a Pelican. And for multiplayer they would have to begin creating the largest map possible for a multiplayer game just so the damn Pelican would be useful as a vehicle.
TL;DR: People need to think about their ideas and how much they would change the game before they post them.
Not true, think about it, Halo 3: ODST was done in like a year, so some of the things being suggested could be possible.
Yes, but ODST was also not as big as Halo: Reach will be. It was actually more of an expansion pack to be honest. If Bungie has been working on Halo: Reach for over 2 years and they are only about a year from being complete, don't you think that they have all of the basic things in the game done? And that now they are working on adding in the details? Details COULD be weapons, and COULD be gametypes. But my point was that some of the ideas that people are suggesting (like a flyable Pelican in campaign) would completely change the game. That is, if they haven't already added it.

  • 10.21.2009 10:14 AM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

ODST;MYTHIC Screenshot winner! One of the first to get their hands on the mythic map pack.

Posted by: Frost1691 1691
Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
Posted by: Frost1691 1691
Most of the ideas people are suggesting would probably be impossible to add at this point. Think about it, the game has been in development for 2 years. That means they have most likely completed the story, and are now working on mechanics, and graphics overall. Some of the things people are suggesting are so game changing that Bungie would basically have to start over. For instance, flyable Pelicans in Campaign and Multiplayer. If they haven't added a flyable Pelican already, then they would have to go back into the story, make a change to something so that the mission would require you to pilot a Pelican. And for multiplayer they would have to begin creating the largest map possible for a multiplayer game just so the damn Pelican would be useful as a vehicle.
TL;DR: People need to think about their ideas and how much they would change the game before they post them.
Not true, think about it, Halo 3: ODST was done in like a year, so some of the things being suggested could be possible.
Yes, but ODST was also not as big as Halo: Reach will be. It was actually more of an expansion pack to be honest. If Bungie has been working on Halo: Reach for over 2 years and they are only about a year from being complete, don't you think that they have all of the basic things in the game done? And that now they are working on adding in the details? Details COULD be weapons, and COULD be gametypes. But my point was that some of the ideas that people are suggesting (like a flyable Pelican in campaign) would completely change the game. That is, if they haven't already added it.
Yes some things being suggested most likely can't be put in, but others can. Which is what I was saying.

  • 10.21.2009 10:26 AM PDT

Posted by: Frost1691 1691
Most of the ideas people are suggesting would probably be impossible to add at this point. Think about it, the game has been in development for 2 years. That means they have most likely completed the story, and are now working on mechanics, and graphics overall. Some of the things people are suggesting are so game changing that Bungie would basically have to start over. For instance, flyable Pelicans in Campaign and Multiplayer. If they haven't added a flyable Pelican already, then they would have to go back into the story, make a change to something so that the mission would require you to pilot a Pelican. And for multiplayer they would have to begin creating the largest map possible for a multiplayer game just so the damn Pelican would be useful as a vehicle.
TL;DR: People need to think about their ideas and how much they would change the game before they post them.

To be honest when I see threads with ideas like that I just treat them as oppertunities to speculate... but there are those few that are actually trying to make direct suggestions to Bungie, and that's too late.

Then again, there's still months in which new ideas could be implemented such as new guns or gametypes, but as for Pelicans etc. we'll just have to wait and see what the team's been up to.

  • 10.21.2009 11:34 AM PDT
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Not everyone wants flyable pelicans. And no theyve had 3 years to make this game.

a fraction of bioware made dragon age oringins in a year and a half and it has supposedly over 200 hours of story line gameplay.

  • 10.21.2009 11:40 AM PDT

He watches every Hodgetwin video they put up...on ALL their channels. He calls them the Hodge Triplets, and considers himself the 3rd triplet. He's started talking and acting like them now. Every other line out of his mouth "Thaaas some BULLLLLL**** maaayne" or "Gotta make dem gainzzzz". He calls his biceps "gains". When he eats post-workout, he talks to his biceps, "Don't worry gains, I'm feeding you. Daddys gonna feed you, gainz *kisses biceps*".

I think that the point is well taken that chances are, most of the BIG ideas being kicked around as of right now on these forums will not make it into the game if they're not already in it. I don't think Bungie is gonna come on here tomorrow and say, "hmmm, this topic about Pelicans looks sweet..." and then you'll see it in the game. Bungie might have done that a year or more ago or even 6-8 months ago, but at this point, I just don't see them implementing huge ideas based on forum talk due to my expectations on just how far along they are (these expectations could be off).

I would guess, just based on logic and not any real knowledge, that the time that Bungie takes most of their ideas from the fandom is the initial 6 months after their last game came out. I really think that Bungie looks to the community to right flaws or issues on gameplay features that will carry from game to game, not for ideas on brand spankin' new stuff. Once again, that's just what would make sense to me.

  • 10.21.2009 12:04 PM PDT

I like Halo, It kills all sentinel life with sufficient bio-mass... and doesn't afraid of anything.

I actually don't mind the idea of 2 disks that was brought up. As long as campaign and multiplayer of all types is fleshed out well, I don't mind switching disks.

  • 10.21.2009 12:25 PM PDT

Anyone notice the writer quoted himself and said I agree. Your an idiot

  • 10.21.2009 12:32 PM PDT

Posted by: Hayabusawarrior
Anyone notice the writer quoted himself and said I agree. Your an idiot

Well thanks... I could of let the post go onto the second page filled with polls about the BR or I could have posted something quick of no real significance so my views had a chance to be discussed. Why don't you actually contribute?

[Edited on 10.21.2009 12:40 PM PDT]

  • 10.21.2009 12:39 PM PDT

Posted by: iRun Bnet
Not everyone wants flyable pelicans. And no theyve had 3 years to make this game.

a fraction of bioware made dragon age oringins in a year and a half and it has supposedly over 200 hours of story line gameplay.

Wow that's actually very impressive... and the first paragraph was just a random thing I typed up spontaneously. I think the only thing EVERY wants is for Reach to be THE BEST, ARO-OUND :).

[Edited on 10.21.2009 12:44 PM PDT]

  • 10.21.2009 12:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: Elvinator 1994
Posted by: Hayabusawarrior
Anyone notice the writer quoted himself and said I agree. Your an idiot

Well thanks... I could of let the post go onto the second page filled with polls about the BR or I could have posted something quick of no real significance so my views had a chance to be discussed. Why don't you actually contribute?

No, your post is exactly like this one only worse and not nearly as detailed. It's utterly pointless to keep this thread on the front page, especially since you bumped it.

Edit: Don't say "we" just because you want something, because I don't want a drivable Pelican in Matchmaking.

[Edited on 10.21.2009 12:47 PM PDT]

  • 10.21.2009 12:45 PM PDT

Holy... that thread is a suggestion how the hell do both the threads get the same point across? Am I not aloud to to express my opinion CONCISELY?! I rarley use any forum but out of all the forums I go on I've never seen so many people that in general make little sense and seem to have the one and only purpose of taking the piss.

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  • 10.21.2009 12:51 PM PDT

Yes it is spelt like that on purpose.

First off I also agree with the 2 disk idea that could really work wonders.

But as for some of the other things said like pelicans. If its not there already it probably won't be there for release. They are already 2 years in devolpment and you have to think most of the BIG things are done by now. But I am sure there is a wealth of new things in Reach that will satisfy many peoples cravings. As for hype well I completly agree with what Shai Hulud (I think I spelled it right) said and I couldn't have put it in better words myself (really I probably couldn't).

O and as for the person who brought up Dragon Age:Origins. Supposidly Bioware has been sitting on that for near 6 years now before they even started work on Mass Effect. That dosen't mean they have been in devolpment that long but I think they have had plenty of time to work on it.

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  • 10.21.2009 12:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: Elvinator 1994
Holy... that thread is a suggestion how the hell do both the threads get the same point across? Am I not aloud to to express my opinion CONCISELY?! I rarley use any forum but out of all the forums I go on I've never seen so many people that in general make little sense and seem to have the one and only purpose of taking the piss.

Think about this then. All of these ideas came out way before you "thought" of them. All you did was say it in a really short, crappy read.

  • 10.21.2009 12:56 PM PDT

Posted by: XxNICO SNIPESxX
Posted by: Elvinator 1994
Posted by: Hayabusawarrior
Anyone notice the writer quoted himself and said I agree. Your an idiot

Well thanks... I could of let the post go onto the second page filled with polls about the BR or I could have posted something quick of no real significance so my views had a chance to be discussed. Why don't you actually contribute?

No, your post is exactly like this one only worse and not nearly as detailed. It's utterly pointless to keep this thread on the front page, especially since you bumped it.

Edit: Don't say "we" just because you want something, because I don't want a drivable Pelican in Matchmaking.


Ok I will now go through the entire first post replacing the words WE with SOME PEOPLE... I apologise for not tailoring the thread so that it is completely true in every way, or allowing myself to express myself freely.

  • 10.21.2009 12:56 PM PDT
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I forgive you for that, at least. :)

  • 10.21.2009 12:59 PM PDT

Posted by: XxNICO SNIPESxX
Posted by: Elvinator 1994
Holy... that thread is a suggestion how the hell do both the threads get the same point across? Am I not aloud to to express my opinion CONCISELY?! I rarley use any forum but out of all the forums I go on I've never seen so many people that in general make little sense and seem to have the one and only purpose of taking the piss.

Think about this then. All of these ideas came out way before you "thought" of them. All you did was say it in a really short, crappy read.

OHHH, OK I don't think you understand the thread AT ALL do you?! This is not a suggestion thread! I am actually discussing whether it's realistic that these IDEAS will be implemented, and wondering if we are all getting our hopes up for no reason, or if Reach will exceed our expectations.

  • 10.21.2009 1:01 PM PDT

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