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Subject: Equipment in Reach?

Poll: Equipment in Reach?  [closed]
Yes, to Equipment in Reach:  40%
(32 Votes)
No, to Equipment in Reach:  60%
(49 Votes)
Total Votes: 81

Title says it all. Do you thing there should be equipment in Halo Reach? I, personally, think NO!!! I really hate equipment! It only slows down gameplay really. The only thing about any equipment that I like is the fact that I can stop a vehicle with the powerdrain. Bungie could have a really simple explanation for why they took it out too, "it wasn't developed yet." Anyway, what does everyone else think?

  • 10.22.2009 8:37 AM PDT

sorry but the bubbleshield was a classic. it was shown in one of the first trailers and it has been one of the biggest features of halo 3 from halo 2.

  • 10.22.2009 8:39 AM PDT

How can it be classic if it was only in the most recent game? Most of the equipment that was made has already been deemed bad because most of it isn't in any playlist or on any maps anymore. They never put in; Invincibility, Active Camouflage, Deployable Cover, the Flare and Radar Jammer were both removed... I'm sure there is at least one more that I'm missing. The point is that they have already realized that alot of these things aren't multiplayer and have taken them out.

[Edited on 10.22.2009 8:46 AM PDT]

  • 10.22.2009 8:41 AM PDT

I'm someone you knew, maybe even were friends with.....but from another time...another place.

The Mayans were the most epic trolls EVAR.

I'd say equipment should stay. There's nothing like watching your enemy stick himself after you deploy youre bubble :D

  • 10.22.2009 8:43 AM PDT

Wherever you roam
so far from home
you'll be safe from peril
life threatening and terrible
if you avoid David Powel
and keep track of your towel.

"It wasn't developed yet" is not a valid explanation for two games set less than a year apart. "You didn't see any" should be fine, in fact it should pretty much always be fine (that's why there's no Drones in Halo 1, or Spartan Lasers in Halo 2, or Wolverines in Halo 3).

I personally like equipment, sure only the Bubble Shield, Regenerator, and Power Drain are really useful but there's no reason that they can't have other things and they really make the gameplay more dynamic.

If the Tripmine did more damage and the Flare was more like a flashbang they could be much better. Here's a neat idea: Trip Alarm, if an enemy crosses its little laser beam detectors it blares really loud and puts a flare on friendly motion trackers.

EDIT: And FYI, it's only the Flare and Radar Jammer that were removed. And only because no-one used them and was annoyed when they did. The Invincibility, Active Camoflage, and Drone Turret equipments were for campaign only. Bungie's design paradigm for multiplary equipment was "it effects everyone equally if they're in range".

I guess that there's also no deployable cover in Matchmaking but it never was, it is placeable in Forge though.

[Edited on 10.22.2009 8:51 AM PDT]

  • 10.22.2009 8:47 AM PDT

What about the times when you are trying to stop the flag guy and he throws up a bubble as soon as he is weak, then waits there. Then you have to either charge in and hope that he is bad enough not to kill you with his one hit melee weapon or sit and wait for it to disappear and probably get killed by his teammates. Which of our scenarios happens more often? You can also replace flag guy with; shotgun guy, hammer guy, mauler guy, sword guy, ball guy,or bomb guy.

  • 10.22.2009 8:50 AM PDT
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I loved equipment in Halo 3. Made the gameplay more exciting to me, anyway.

Yes.

  • 10.22.2009 8:50 AM PDT

Posted by: Albino12
The point is that they have already realized that alot of these things aren't multiplayer and have taken them out.


I feel that removal of equipment is more of a question of preference than game balance or skill. Bungie has done a pretty good job of making equipment equally accessible to all players in multiplayer. I understand that it CHANGES the mechanics of the game, but there are not so many pieces of equipment in existence on a map simultaneously that is drastically changes the general feel of the game. Personally, although I use equipment, i feel that most of my kills are not equipment related. There is always a counter for equipment, and everyone has access to those items. With that in mind, consider that perhaps equipment will probably be included but can be forged out/excluded from some matchmaking playlists.

The only reason that i could see equipment being completely irrevocably remove would be if they wanted to replace it with some other game mechanic.



Posted by: Albino12
What about the times when you are trying to stop the flag guy and he throws up a bubble as soon as he is weak, then waits there. Then you have to either charge in and hope that he is bad enough not to kill you with his one hit melee weapon or sit and wait for it to disappear and probably get killed by his teammates. Which of our scenarios happens more often? You can also replace flag guy with; shotgun guy, hammer guy, mauler guy, sword guy, ball guy,or bomb guy.


I feel that there is enough of a counter for each action in the HALO games. Typically i deal with that bubble situation with a double team. if 2 people come after the flag from opposite sides, there is little the carrier can do but run, at which point you can just shoot them. If they don't, they have left a bubble shield for you to defend the flag with while you wait for it to return.

[Edited on 10.22.2009 8:57 AM PDT]

  • 10.22.2009 8:52 AM PDT

Wherever you roam
so far from home
you'll be safe from peril
life threatening and terrible
if you avoid David Powel
and keep track of your towel.

Posted by: Albino12
What about the times when you are trying to stop the flag guy and he throws up a bubble as soon as he is weak, then waits there. Then you have to either charge in and hope that he is bad enough not to kill you with his one hit melee weapon or sit and wait for it to disappear and probably get killed by his teammates. Which of our scenarios happens more often? You can also replace flag guy with; shotgun guy, hammer guy, mauler guy, sword guy, ball guy,or bomb guy.


That's exactly what I'm talking about. You had him beat then he changed the conditions, gave himself the advantage. It's dynamic, and exciting.

  • 10.22.2009 8:54 AM PDT

While your situation with the flag guy in a Bubble most likely would work, when a team pulls and starts to run the other team's flag, normally, a good amount of the defending team is dead and will then all spawn in their bases while the flag guy is running away from their base. With your entire team having to go from your base to the flag guy, you are all traveling in the same direction, so to have a guy coming from both in front and behind the flag guy is highly unlikely. Also, isn't the idea of CTF to have the flag guy be at a disadvantage while running it, so he must rely on his teammates to cover him. I don't think him being able to throw up a shield that completely surrounds his body while he is holding a one-hit item puts him at much of a disadvantage. And while I know that equipment could be forged out, I would rather see the game as a whole be better then just what can be done in Custom Games.

[Edited on 10.22.2009 12:26 PM PDT]

  • 10.22.2009 12:25 PM PDT

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I have a feeling they will return, but balance needs to be worked on most of them.

  • 10.22.2009 12:26 PM PDT

Id have to agree,not only have they been taking it out bit by bit but I seem to find it takes to long to deploy.. so it needs to just be dropped.

  • 10.22.2009 12:31 PM PDT

Posted by: Albino12
Title says it all. Do you thing there should be equipment in Halo Reach? I, personally, think NO!!! I really hate equipment! It only slows down gameplay really. The only thing about any equipment that I like is the fact that I can stop a vehicle with the powerdrain. Bungie could have a really simple explanation for why they took it out too, "it wasn't developed yet." Anyway, what does everyone else think?

You have forge. Delete all the equipment on the map.

Problem solved without taking away a very awesome feature from the game.

  • 10.22.2009 12:34 PM PDT

If they were balanced, I would be fine with them. How they are though, I think they are completely imbalanced. I wanted to put a pole up on this so that i could see an exact number, which is why I just made it Yes or No. Off the top of my head, I can think of only like 2 things that would give equipment more balance:
-Make it so that a Bubble Shield only has so many hit points that it can take before it is destroyed. And make it so that plasma weapons depleated it's energy faster (like every other energy shield), and that a charged Plasma Pistol would completely take it out.
-Make it so that the Power Drain, Regen, and Bubble Shield don't last as long after being deployed. The time the Regen and Bubble Shield last now it WAY too long!
Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
I have a feeling they will return, but balance needs to be worked on most of them.


[Edited on 10.22.2009 12:37 PM PDT]

  • 10.22.2009 12:37 PM PDT

Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: Albino12
Title says it all. Do you thing there should be equipment in Halo Reach? I, personally, think NO!!! I really hate equipment! It only slows down gameplay really. The only thing about any equipment that I like is the fact that I can stop a vehicle with the powerdrain. Bungie could have a really simple explanation for why they took it out too, "it wasn't developed yet." Anyway, what does everyone else think?

You have forge. Delete all the equipment on the map.

Problem solved without taking away a very awesome feature from the game.

As I said in an earlier post in this thread (which you obviously didn't read), I would rather see the game be better overall then just what can be done in forge and in custom games.

  • 10.22.2009 12:39 PM PDT

Posted by: Albino12
Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: Albino12
Title says it all. Do you thing there should be equipment in Halo Reach? I, personally, think NO!!! I really hate equipment! It only slows down gameplay really. The only thing about any equipment that I like is the fact that I can stop a vehicle with the powerdrain. Bungie could have a really simple explanation for why they took it out too, "it wasn't developed yet." Anyway, what does everyone else think?

You have forge. Delete all the equipment on the map.

Problem solved without taking away a very awesome feature from the game.

As I said in an earlier post in this thread (which you obviously didn't read), I would rather see the game be better overall then just what can be done in forge and in custom games.

And so completely taking it out of the game so it isn't availible in forge or custom games for us to use would make the game better overall?

Have some more faith in Bungie. They've had one game so far to try to balance equipment. Give them a chance. Removing equipment however is not a solution.

  • 10.22.2009 12:43 PM PDT
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If there is equipment:

1. Take out the cheap equipment (bubbles, regens, etc), OR set them to only 1-2 per map and have long respawns, like power weapons. The spawns are currently set to one minute. You might as well make them as plentiful as grenades.

2. Bring back equipment that actually took some skill to use, like the radar jammer. This was one of the most intellectual, tactical, and useful tools in the hands of someone smart and good, but was a bane to all the morons who didn't know how to use it. I don't know how many idiots on this forum cried because "OMG! I can't use this because it messes up my radar too!"

[Edited on 10.22.2009 12:44 PM PDT]

  • 10.22.2009 12:43 PM PDT

As I said in yet another post earlier in this thread, if they were to balance the Equipment, I wouldn't mind it. I wanted to make a poll of it so that I could get an exact number, so I made it a simple Yes or No answer. Is there an echo of me in this thread?
Posted by: Hylebos

And so completely taking it out of the game so it isn't availible in forge or custom games for us to use would make the game better overall?

Have some more faith in Bungie. They've had one game so far to try to balance equipment. Give them a chance. Removing equipment however is not a solution.

  • 10.22.2009 12:49 PM PDT

Posted by: fifthderelicte
1. Take out the cheap equipment (bubbles, regens, etc), OR set them to only 1-2 per map and have long respawns, like power weapons. The spawns are currently set to one minute. You might as well make them as plentiful as grenades.

What do you think about turning the bubble shield back into a ball so you actually have to think about using it instead of just dropping it down?

Or how about reducing the radius of the regenerator so it forces people to bunch up and makes them easier to nade?

As for the radar jammer, I totally agree. Perhaps reduce the number of dots and make them move in some rational way so people might not even realize they are being jammed until its too late. When theres dots moving crazy all over the place it's too easy to realize that you are being jammed and to only focus on the one that is moving in a logical way.

Posted by: Albino12
As I said in yet another post earlier in this thread, if they were to balance the Equipment, I wouldn't mind it. I wanted to make a poll of it so that I could get an exact number, so I made it a simple Yes or No answer. Is there an echo of me in this thread?

Perhaps you should go back into your OP and edit it to clarify your stance, because to be honest not many people want to read through your paragraphless walls of text to find one minor detail.

[Edited on 10.22.2009 12:51 PM PDT]

  • 10.22.2009 12:49 PM PDT

Posted by: fifthderelicte
If there is equipment:

1. Take out the cheap equipment (bubbles, regens, etc), OR set them to only 1-2 per map and have long respawns, like power weapons. The spawns are currently set to one minute. You might as well make them as plentiful as grenades.

2. Bring back equipment that actually took some skill to use, like the radar jammer. This was one of the most intellectual, tactical, and useful tools in the hands of someone smart and good, but was a bane to all the morons who didn't know how to use it. I don't know how many idiots on this forum cried because "OMG! I can't use this because it messes up my radar too!"

I would agree with this statement as well.

  • 10.22.2009 12:50 PM PDT

Posted by: Hylebos

Perhaps you should go back into your OP and edit it to clarify your stance, because to be honest not many people want to read through your paragraphless walls of text to find one minor detail.

But then wouldn't anyone that has already read my original post not read it again and then not know my overall stance? Or do you read my original post every time that you revisit this thread? Also, I like to let people know when I am replying specifically to their comment and I don't think that it would be logical to just quote like 7 people in the original post of my thread.

  • 10.22.2009 12:58 PM PDT

Posted by: Albino12
Posted by: Hylebos

Perhaps you should go back into your OP and edit it to clarify your stance, because to be honest not many people want to read through your paragraphless walls of text to find one minor detail.

But then wouldn't anyone that has already read my original post not read it again and then not know my overall stance? Or do you read my original post every time that you revisit this thread? Also, I like to let people know when I am replying specifically to their comment and I don't think that it would be logical to just quote like 7 people in the original post of my thread.

I don't reread the OP every time I visit the thread, but I do check for the "[Edited on Month.Day.Year Time PDT]" Tag at the end of an edited post to see if any new information was added since I last looked at it.

There is nothing wrong with replying to specific people, but if you find yourself needing to repeat yourself over and over again, perhaps its time to edit the OP.

  • 10.22.2009 1:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Hylebos


There is nothing wrong with replying to specific people, but if you find yourself needing to repeat yourself over and over again, perhaps its time to edit the OP.

I've only had to repeat myself to you. If everyone would just take the time to read what has already been written and discussed already in a thread, then there wouldn't be pages of different people saying the same things over and over again. But if people would take the time to figure out exactly what has been covered and is being discussed before they post, then they could make logical, educated posts instead of just trying to get themselves heard (even if they are saying the same thing as 20 people before them and bringing up topics in the discussion that have already been covered). This is a frequent problem on many forums.

  • 10.22.2009 1:07 PM PDT

I voted no. Equipment drove me out of doubles, it just got way too annoying to be shooting someone then they plop down a regen or a power drain. Sorry I just don't want to deal with it again. However, if they balance it how some people in this thread have suggested it be done, I wouldn't mind it.

  • 10.22.2009 1:32 PM PDT

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