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Subject: mlg/bungie.net public realations "Ending the War"
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Posted by: Josephson
Hmmm all this brings me to a question who is MLG who is worthy who isnt how do you define some one who is MLG or is it who every slaps that title on to themselves.

i am an active member of the mlg forums and enjoy playing halo competitively mainly because i am a very competitive person.

now, to answer your question. Most of the mlg community, at least people that view the mlg forums regularly, will agree that unless you are part of mlg's staff, if you have mlg in your gamertag you are not worthy of considering yourself good. Most good people (good, to most active posters at mlgpro means that you probably would have around a 45 or above in mlg) have original gamertags. not gamer tags that are xlxMLG L337 omg hax 4shot xlx. id be willing to answer other questions people might have about the mlg community

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  • 10.25.2009 12:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: klegs iz beast
Honestly this War may never stop becasue the casual community will always bash competitive players. The Casual community has really been catered by bungie, they are really being hypocritcal. They have all these playlist, all these events, and want more. The MLG community, we have one playlist, and are supported at events by bungie. Then the Casual community says Bungie and The MLG community are butt buddies. The MLG community doesnt want more we want to improve things so our competitive experince is better and way more competitive. It will not interfere with your Casual experince but may benefit it. The main probelm of it all is that honestly this my opinion, the Casual community has a Blind eye.

Reach honestly needs to be the Hardcore multiplayer experince and not cater to the casual player. Im both a Casual and competitve player. The Casual player has Firefight, let the Competitive players have matchmaking.

I agree it needs to stop but the Bungie forums need to have more vaild points, i mean by that because there is alot of people who have no knowledge what they are talking about.


The people on Bungie aren't casual players.

I think MLG is kind of trying to mains stream video games like Halo. If Halo tournaments were the equivallent of football, then Halo would be a lot more popular. That is basically the goal of the MLG.

  • 10.25.2009 12:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: JaketheSnake 76
TO ALL "CASUAL" PLAYERS:

Being competitive may not be fun to you, but it's fun to others. You prefer infection customs. We prefer MLG FFAs.


I would like some one to define a casual player

  • 10.25.2009 12:07 AM PDT
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Posted by: RabidNutCase45
That's true, but there are still MLG players that ask of Bungie that are trying to eliminate things (Like Elites in SWAT and the AR) that "ruin" their fun. All of this? It's a War over fun.


Any player that is complaining about another playlist has nothing to with "MLG". The things we ask for are things like more customizable options, fixed BR spread and netcoding, more arena maps, and perhaps bring back a more difficult to use weapon such as the H:CE Pistol. None of these things will hurt the casual players experience as far as I can tell.

  • 10.25.2009 12:12 AM PDT

I find it ironic that you think all MLG players are like this because a while back in the MLG forum someone (who everybody at that forum hates btw) said that all b.net players are like this. In honesty, the people who teamkill, flame, and suck at the game do not fall into either community. We at the MLG community hate people who are a**holes to us and people here feel the same.

I also feel this thread has gotten a little off topic. It has become a thread on how MLG is different from the competitive community when I am trying to find unity. I feel we should all understand that nobody likes to get screamed at or teamkilled. Nobody likes to have someone yelling about how much they suck. The person who posted something about MLG and SWAT I have to say that the two are completely unrelated. I have been going to the MLG forums since 2006 and I rarely ever see a topic relating to SWAT (maybe three times a year).

The stereotypes that people are saying are from the people who think they are better than everybody else on matchmaking... THEY ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE MLG COMMUNITY. The MLG community is focused on having a game with the least amount of variables in it. We feel that the game should not be won by luck. Who here can say that they prefer it when they are playing lone wolves oddball and spawn on the opposite side of the map?

I wish... no, I beg that people will set aside their preconceived notations about each other and try to make this game able to cater to ALL groups, so ALL groups can have fun. A few say that MLG is anti-fun. This is false, we just have fun putting our skills to the test against others like us.

  • 10.25.2009 12:14 AM PDT

This is my Signature, Without my Signature I am nothing, My Signature Without me is nothing.

I don't understand why people care so much about another persons' opinion(This is what this whole thread is about, Opinions) I like MLG FFA but I also like infection every now and then if that makes me happy why should I let other people try to ruin it? Also Like my AR and My BR, Does it matter? No.
In the sense of things Halo 3 Is a GOOD GAME but Halo isn't perfect but every game has it's glitches, that being said halo is fun MLG or Action Sack. The "War" is a fabrication of a small Minorities Opinion. Isn't Ending because the war hasn't even started.

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  • 10.25.2009 12:16 AM PDT
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I was the first Spartan. And I will be the last. Mythic on 9/1/2012 never forget
PAX 08, Third Team against Luke and Shishka, AR dual to
the Death, won by one point... Assembly hasn't changed.

urk: "This is a bad idea."
DeeJ: "Hold still..."

I see no reason why everyone cannot be happy here.

As long as the game is easily editable, meaning forge and custom game settings are still existent, then everyone wins.

MLG gets their BR's, and the rest of us get cookies.

simple as that.....



Unless their sugar cookies, then we have a problem.

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warning: if there are many run on sentences, bad grammar etc. it is because i am extremely tired at 320 am but felt the need to defend the mlg community in a logical manner. thank you

another thing i'd like to say is why the mlg community views the b.net community as r3tarded children with no idea what they are talking about. that whole statement being a stereotype and not the belief of all mlg community members.

many (not all) bungie users often say in response to an mlg member saying something how or why they dislike the AR, "if you dont like it dont use it." they say this without taking into thought the other side of the story. the people that say this are most likely the same people saying that bungie should remove the BR from reach. so i would use their logic against them and say, if you dont like the br just dont use it. according to your own logic something should not be removed you should just not pick it up or use it.

furthermore, these same bungie community members saying how the br should be removed or things of that nature fail to take into account that it is impossible to kill a sniper from distance without the br or atleast a weapon of similar purpose (halo 1 pistol) if the sniper is any good at all. an argument would be "o well i'll just sneak up on that sniper". again no you wont if that sniper has any awareness and/or skill.
i mean they call for the br to be removed but then they will not be unable to unscope the sniper on their snipe tower so then what, should bungie remove the sniper? no, the BR serves the purpose of a mid-long range weapon that can combat a sniper but also be used in mid range, and if a player is skilled close range perhaps too.


simple flaws like that ^^^ in many b.net members thought halo thought processes are why the mlg community dislikes b.net members.

  • 10.25.2009 12:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: menotyou135
I find it ironic that you think all MLG players are like this because a while back in the MLG forum someone (who everybody at that forum hates btw) said that all b.net players are like this. In honesty, the people who teamkill, flame, and suck at the game do not fall into either community. We at the MLG community hate people who are a**holes to us and people here feel the same.

I also feel this thread has gotten a little off topic. It has become a thread on how MLG is different from the competitive community when I am trying to find unity. I feel we should all understand that nobody likes to get screamed at or teamkilled. Nobody likes to have someone yelling about how much they suck. The person who posted something about MLG and SWAT I have to say that the two are completely unrelated. I have been going to the MLG forums since 2006 and I rarely ever see a topic relating to SWAT (maybe three times a year).

The stereotypes that people are saying are from the people who think they are better than everybody else on matchmaking... THEY ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE MLG COMMUNITY. The MLG community is focused on having a game with the least amount of variables in it. We feel that the game should not be won by luck. Who here can say that they prefer it when they are playing lone wolves oddball and spawn on the opposite side of the map?

I wish... no, I beg that people will set aside their preconceived notations about each other and try to make this game able to cater to ALL groups, so ALL groups can have fun. A few say that MLG is anti-fun. This is false, we just have fun putting our skills to the test against others like us.


yeah i get where you are coming from.



[Edited on 10.25.2009 12:28 AM PDT]

  • 10.25.2009 12:22 AM PDT

my old account "gamegeknee" was hacked and thats why I had to make a new login name.

You should spend some time on the MLG forums because while there are jackasses over there as well the majority of MLG forum goers and players are respectful and helpful to other forum goers. Unfortunately its the generally the same jackasses that come over here and start -blam!- with b.net people.

I think the main problem is limited exposure. I used to spend a lot of time on b.net but theres so many terrible threads that I spend more time on MLG forums now. But most people stick to one mainly and wander over from time to time. This forces them to see mostly crappy threads that offer no good discussion or insightful information. If you check out both on the regular you will probably find that each site has its pros and cons.
Posted by: RabidNutCase45
I think the problem lies more within the MLG part of the community rather than the B.Net.

I'm sorry if that sounds negative to MLG fans, but it's still true. There are many MLG wannabes (I'm refering to the loudmouths that make up the steriotype of MLG players being elitist -blam!-s) that constantly "demand" things. Whether it's taking Elites out of SWAT, nerfing/removing the AR, increasing the amount of MLG maps, improving the BR (which I think is overpowered enough, in my opinion), or having a seperate matchmaking playlist away from players aged below 18 (Which is offensive to me, since I'm fifteen and probably a lot more mature than a lot of people in their mid-twenties) they just never seem to be happy with the game.

Now, there are probably tonnes of people from the MLG community that are fine with Halo 3, play the MLG playlist, maybe jump over to do other things, and I'm cool with them. However, the jackasses "representing" the MLG community used to make me think that everyone in MLG would strangle a kitten to make themselves play better (Which is untrue, thanks to people like the OP) have the loudest mouths and are the ones that the Bnet community identifies as "MLG."

Now, there's a lot of eff'd up -blam!- on the Bnet forums too (Like how CoD fanboys WON'T leave us alone) but that's our problem and we'll hopefully deal with it. I don't want to make out this forum to be an elite utopian society (Ha, no) but the MLG asshats are still a pain in the ass.

I've always liked to play competitive games, but sometimes Zombies and smacking my friends with hammers is a lot more fun. To others that isn't the case but I think we should all be having fun, right? Can't everyone stop whining about X and Y and just get along?

  • 10.25.2009 12:58 AM PDT

my old account "gamegeknee" was hacked and thats why I had to make a new login name.

Holy crap, how many times do we have to see this? Since when does competition rule out fun? Are you saying pro football, basketball, baseball, players as well as golfers, skaters, surfers, every damn sport imaginable isn't fun when they are competing? Give me a break and try to formulate an opinion that's more than one sentence.
Posted by Melkorpwn
Games are supposed to be fun, not competitive.


On and sorry for the double post.

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  • 10.25.2009 1:02 AM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

I don't particularly see the reason to stir up sediment here.

People are of their own opinions. If I was interested in MLG opinions, then I would look on their forums.

Just because someone comes onto these forums and says inflammatory remarks in the name of MLG doesn't cast a shadow on anyone but that one person.

I didn't know any better before, so I thought all MLG people were like that. Now, I know to separate the person from the group.

Take each person as a person, and not a representative, and this will no longer be an issue.

  • 10.25.2009 1:10 AM PDT

Thank you kulidov. I'm glad at least a few people are taking this tread seriously. also thanks for the support gamegeknee
Posted by: Uncle Kulikov
I don't particularly see the reason to stir up sediment here.

People are of their own opinions. If I was interested in MLG opinions, then I would look on their forums.

Just because someone comes onto these forums and says inflammatory remarks in the name of MLG doesn't cast a shadow on anyone but that one person.

I didn't know any better before, so I thought all MLG people were like that. Now, I know to separate the person from the group.

Take each person as a person, and not a representative, and this will no longer be an issue.


[Edited on 10.25.2009 9:51 AM PDT]

  • 10.25.2009 9:50 AM PDT

God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof.” – Psalms 46:1-3

Posted by: menotyou135
Hello, I am an active member of the MLG forum in the Halo 3 discussion board and the Halo 3 forge forum discussion board. It has become flear to me that the relationships between the MLG community ane the B.net community are boor at best. On one hand is the MLG community, who B.net stereotypes as being full of selfish, "know-it-alls" who think they are better than everybody else. On the other side, the MLG community stereotypes the B.net community as being full of young players, who because of their gearing toward a casual gaming experience, do not understand the subtleties of the game, which is being ruined by the casual-gamer's preference by Bungie. The MLG community looks at the posts that B.net users post, which, if enacted, would destroy some of the competitive merit of the Halo series and leave only the casual experience...

MLG forum: http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=277444&highl ight=running

B.net forums: http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=38101808&p ostRepeater1-p=1

...As you may ascertain the the above example of a B.net topic that arose recently, one side is frustrated at the posters of the Bungie forum for suggesting something that would be the reason that "competitive gaming is getting ruined" (Aceolus: Post #3). B.net users on the other hand, find it an annoyance, which is being exploited through an unintentional glitch. (Notice that I am using the stereotypes of what was said as an example supporting my thesis, not as my own opinion, which in this matter will remain neutral and confidential). I believe, simply, that the two communities should make a conscious effort to make amends to one another. The few B.net users who post immature threads do not reflect the whole of the B.net community; at the same time, the few MLG players who go to the B.net forums to flame are not representative of the whole of the MLG community (in fact we abhor most of these "flamers"). So what is my main point? Why am I typing this up if stereotypes will still dominate the two sites? So that the few who think honestly about this topic will take it seriously. I have no doubt that a simple topic such as this will change many people's minds. The reason that I ascertained the will to type this topic was to implore people from both sides to try to put aside their pre-conceived stereotypes and see each community for what it is. The MLG community is a community for the betterment of the competitive merit of the Halo series. The B.net community is a community for the betterment of the casual enjoyability of the halo series. We are nothing more or nothing less than the betterment of one of the most popular games in history and our goals do not have to clash. We can have a competitive game that has may option that satisfy the competitive wants that have nothing to do with what the casual gamer will see in matchmaking. We can have a casual game that does not stress the people who are not good at the game or haven't been playing it long. We are analogous to the Democratic and Republican parties of American politics. We have differing view-points generally, but we both want our "America (I.E. Halo series) to b the best it can be. In politics, who people from opposing parties often come together to work on a common goal. My central question is: Why can't we do this for Reach or any other halo game?

P.S: I would enjoy no flaming in this disscussion for the sake of this idea in general.

My aspiration for beginning this topic is the below topic on the MLG/Halo 3 forum:
http://www.mlgpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=277350&page= 2



you sound young and Naive.

Your thoughts however valid are not what the issue is.

The issues between the to communities is not age related it is skill related.

MLG players believe those at bungie.net are all "BKs","noobs" and do not know how to play.

This is actually the opposite.

I was very active in MLG ( not this account so don't talk -blam!- BK's haha see a joke )what I noticed is a very subtle difference. It is simply this MLG players are in my opinion one track minded, while those that play MM the way it is meant are thinking of more than one thing.


Those that play MLG think of one thing " I must Win ".
The main issue with those that play MLG is that they believe themselves to be paragons.

From my experience this is anything but true! I have played halo for nearly 10 years now....god that's a long time....I have yet to see a single new pro that is in my opinion a true professional ( in the true meaning of the word). The problem with the pros in halo 3 is this...even halo 2..The weapon sets are preordained.

That is not how a Sport is supposed to be. The table is always empty and you have to build your strategy from start to finish to win. Yes, you come in with an idea of what to do, but, with the way that MLG is played today you can have a preset strat for every map and variant and there is nothing ever different. Aside from adjusting to an opposing strategy.



Okay Now onto Bungie.net members.

The majority of us ( yes us as I have quit playing MLG as it is dry ) here at B.net are here for 3 reasons.

1. To have fun.
2. Hang with friends ( yes MLG players do this to but not for fun )
3. To be creative and expand our artistic abilities through Forge and Theater.

The main issue I see with Bungie.net member is one simple thing these days. Immaturity, Immaturity has become a problem with the community of late.

I do not know why maybe it has to do with new members of the younger generations that haven't been given the proper guidance on forum etiquette.
Well, to other veteran members of B.net MLGCheewa,Moderators, and a few members that have been here as long as I lets do our best to help change that so the fan base of bungie moves back to it's old ways.




I guess what i am trying to say is each community has a problem in it's own way some worst than others.

But in the end were all fans of Bungie just get along and have "fun" that is what it's all about.



One last Thought while I am typing out a Editorial here for Bungie news daily bahaha


Lets make an attempt in ourselves to heal the hatred between the two communities by first understanding the other persons feelings and views. Do not push what you view on them or how you do something.

Just do things yourway and let them see how you do it. Maybe then they will see the way you do it and try it out. This goes for both sides. there is nothing wrong with a bit of infighting but the point were at is a breaking point that could cause many people to leave the community.

Good luck, Have fun, and remember.....I am The LastDudeGuy.



  • 10.25.2009 10:14 AM PDT
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Hello! I'm a male!

Everyone plays a game for different reasons. Some take a game as if it is life or death all the way down to the people that play it just to have something to do. I play games to release stress from work.

  • 10.25.2009 10:20 AM PDT

Posted by: angry0lbgrampa
The majority of us ( yes us as I have quit playing MLG as it is dry ) here at B.net are here for 3 reasons.

1. To have fun.
2. Hang with friends ( yes MLG players do this to but not for fun )
3. To be creative and expand our artistic abilities through Forge and Theater.



1-MLG players find it fun to play competitively against good players.
2-We like to win against those good players with our friends (team).
3-We like to create competitive maps and montages using the forge and theater options.

My point is that we all like the game for it's good options, we just don't like it the same way. Like most competitive players are saying, the changes we want would not even affect those that like to take the game less seriously.

[Edited on 10.25.2009 12:12 PM PDT]

  • 10.25.2009 11:59 AM PDT

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How do people class someone who is a competitive player is it any one who plays ranked or is it someone who plays MLG

  • 10.25.2009 1:03 PM PDT

Posted by: Josephson
How do people class someone who is a competitive player is it any one who plays ranked or is it someone who plays MLG


Most competitive players are playing by mlg's rules, however some players like other way of playing competitively (SWAT, Squad Battle, team snipers etc.)

  • 10.25.2009 5:30 PM PDT

M'kay.

[Edited on 10.25.2009 5:36 PM PDT]

  • 10.25.2009 5:35 PM PDT
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No.

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Posted by: menotyou135
I am well aware that this debate will never truly be solved and such posts have arose in the past. Also this is not a post focusing on bungie itself taking notice of the MLG community. This post is made in order to try to help the two communities come together and not spew hate about one another as commonly happens. Both sides are guilty of this, I will admit that I have been guilty of this; however, the quintessential argument I am making is to at least act diplomatically to one another.

Consider me a pessimist, but I believe the only true way to stop the stereotypes and hate between these two communities is for Bungie to stop making games. You can't stop human nature.


all steryotypes are rooted in real behavior and actions.

People think MLGs are arrogant pricks because, well.... Most ARE.

  • 10.25.2009 5:42 PM PDT
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I think Pesty is a pretty gooooooooood writer, he munches spoons and doesn't afraid of anything!

Lol, we're not at war. We just don't like most of you guys.

I personally enjoy MLG, but I refuse to be part of your so-called community because, quite frankly, most of you guys are annoying. I'm sorry, man, but it's the true (catch the reference?)

On the other hand, the HALO (not Bungie) community gets dumber every day. So I don't blame you guys for not liking that part of the community. But keep in mind a lot of us here aren't Halo fans, we're BUNGIE fans. Industries has to earn my respect all over again, but Bungie's earned my unconditional loyalty (betcha thought I was going to say love).

  • 10.25.2009 5:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Josephson
How do people class someone who is a competitive player is it any one who plays ranked or is it someone who plays MLG


Most competitive players are playing by mlg's rules, however some players like other way of playing competitively (SWAT, Squad Battle, team snipers etc.)


ah i see

thank you for the elaboration on that

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  • 10.25.2009 5:54 PM PDT
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I think Pesty is a pretty gooooooooood writer, he munches spoons and doesn't afraid of anything!

Oh, and by the way, Halo 3 is NOT hardcore. Not to rip on Bungie, but unless you can make it feel just like Halo 2 you can't make it hardcore.

Speaking of Halo 2, I'm going to go play that again. Best game in the series (ODST... well... close second)

  • 10.25.2009 5:55 PM PDT

Yo Bungie, Im real happy for you, And imma let you finish, but Halo has one of the best series of all time. One of the best series of all time!

MLG and Bungie are PARTNERS. Therefore both communities are one. Bungie NEEDS to think about the MLG Players requests because Bungie makes alot more money than you think from MLG. At each MLG event, there are about 7,000 people, most of which owm Halo 2, 3, ODST, or a combination of those. 7,000 times 50 is 350,000 which is really chumpchange to them but its still good money. Halo is not only a gaming franchise but it is also a business. And I truthfully do not think anyone here would pass up 350,000 dollars.

Also, if you hate on someone else, you should shut the you know what up and play, not complain about being made fun of. Pardon my language.

  • 10.25.2009 7:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Looooney
MLG and Bungie are PARTNERS. Therefore both communities are one. Bungie NEEDS to think about the MLG Players requests because Bungie makes alot more money than you think from MLG.

Also, if you hate on someone else, you should shut the you know what up and play, not complain about being made fun of. Pardon my language.


Wait, so you are saying bungie should essentially be bribed? That sounds like a great idea!

Interestingly enough you last comment applies to MLG. I lost all respect for that group when they managed to get Bungie to remove snowbound from matchmaking.

  • 10.25.2009 8:03 PM PDT