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Subject: Sierra259 and Sierra320 need not be Spartans. Clue from the Halo 2 Era
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Okay, since the original teaser trailer came out, we've been having this discussion: Who are Sierra 259 and Sierra 320. Some people said, immediately, that they must be Spartans, based on our experience with Sierra 117, or Spartan 117: Our very own Master Chief, protagonist of the Halo Trilogy. Yet, a bunch of dudes believed that this was not the case.

Personally for me, I didn't know. Simply Put :)

Anyway, I was just surfing around and dug up this gem.

An argument by people who believed that Sierra had to mean ONLY Spartan was that we've never seen anything else designated with Sierra in Halo ever.

Well, that's wrong apparently.

I Love Bees has the answer. Before, you stop reading, let me tell you to please keep reading on.

A character by the name of Major Standish had located a Forerunner artifect and was keeping it hidden. An ONI operative, Colonel Herzog found this out and to preserve this secret, Standish killed Herzog.

Now, here is the interesting part, in the Halo Graphic Novel, which let me say right now has been said to be completely canon before by the proper dudes, mentions Herzog and says a certain Sierra10852 was executed for killing Herzog.

Now, this Sierra10852 is believed to be Standish but it's besides the point.

Sierra10852

Here it is. Use of the 'Sierra' designation outside of a Spartan.

Now, I know haters and certain very adamant people will come on and say "OH BUT I <3 BEES WAS NOT CANON LOLZ FAIL" but that was the initial sentiment. Since then, I love Bees has been regarded as somewhat canon by Bungie Employees, with several thingos incorparated into their own games, such as the Chatter in ODST. Moreover, two of the key characters in ILB, mentioned above, was later mentioned in the Halo Graphic Novel, widely considered canon. Also, the new Halo Encyclopedia alludes to I love Bees being canonical.

THEREFORE, for those who didn't read ANYTHING....

The use of Sierra10852 in the Halo Universe is canon.

What's it used for? Apparently, Marine contacts. Code names. Probably high priority dudes.

If I am right, then Sierra259 and Sierra320 are important figures (as if we couldn't figure that out before} but really, they don't have to be Spartans.

And this makes more sense from the standpoint of a game. People were speculating that they may belong to the 2nd Class of Spartans, though we've been repeatedly told, time and time again that that project was cancelled in favor of the Spartan 3s. Hell people speculated that these were Spartan 3s, though none of them have such designations. My own theory was that these were Spartans that apparently "died" during augmentation but were just diverted for special ONI Black Ops missions.

Truth of the matter is, it would be extremely hard to explain any of that to the average gamer who never dove into the extended fiction of Halo, which would no doubt make up the most of Reach's potential buyers. Bungie's not stupid. They wouldn't take the risk.

Therefore, now that I have found these new evidence, I am convinced that Sierra259 and Sierra320 are merely dudes with high, very high priority.

So...There you go.

  • 10.25.2009 6:04 AM PDT
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Very well thought out theory. I'd often thought of this thing myself. If you search Halopedia I believe it says something about Sierra being the squad of marines with MC at the beginning of Halo 2. That may be wrong but it's something similar to that.

And to the guy above me, don't make an account just so you can flame people. If you aren't going to contribute to the conversation then don't come here.

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  • 10.25.2009 6:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: I h8 Deathclaws
Is it me, or is it cold in here?


Show me ONE other thread that made the link to Sierra10852 and I'll give up.

Oh and also, Sierra could also be the designation of a Pelican. There has not been a Pelican with the Sierra designation as of yet, but they use call signs like Echo and Victor and Sierra fits in just fine. Though, I doubt there would be that many Pelicans mentioned in the trailer with coincidentally the same type of designation so yea, I doubt it.

  • 10.25.2009 6:14 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sceptical Ninja
Very well thought out theory. I'd often thought of this thing myself. If you search Halopedia I believe it says something about Sierra being the squad of marines with MC at the beginning of Halo 2. That may be wrong but it's something similar to that.

And to the guy above me, don't make an account just so you can flame people. If you aren't going to contribute to the conversation then don't come here.


Combat Team Sierra was in Halo CE and its possible that it refers to a specific Marine within that Combat Team. Like Sierra 320 and Sierra 259 could be part of a 'Combat Tea Sierra'

  • 10.25.2009 6:18 AM PDT

*Silloin kun näyttää siltä että ei ole mitään hätää niin tulee hälytyskellojen soida
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I doubt a pelican would decide not to retreat while doing nothing after possibly dropping Spartans to the surface.

  • 10.25.2009 6:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: Pahat Pojat
I doubt a pelican would decide not to retreat while doing nothing after possibly dropping Spartans to the surface.


True dat. That was a weak link. Was just putting up other possibilities. Its highly likely that the Sierra 10852 connection makes the most sense though Sierra 320 and Sierra 259 could be Marines from a 'Combat Team Sierra', stationed on Reach.

  • 10.25.2009 6:23 AM PDT

*Silloin kun näyttää siltä että ei ole mitään hätää niin tulee hälytyskellojen soida
*Neuvostoliiton hajoaminen oli vain showta
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This is Sierra-259 you got Spartans on the ground, sir. We're not going anywhere

  • 10.25.2009 6:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: Pahat Pojat
This is Sierra-259 you got Spartans on the ground, sir. We're not going anywhere


Think about this. Sierra 259 could be a Marine. Spartan reinforcements have come down. You plus them are not going anywhere.

Possibility.

If not you try explaining to me how Bungie pulled out a Spartan 259 out of their backsides. We'll be back to square 1.

  • 10.25.2009 6:31 AM PDT

*Silloin kun näyttää siltä että ei ole mitään hätää niin tulee hälytyskellojen soida
*Neuvostoliiton hajoaminen oli vain showta
*Saksa on löytänyt uuden tavan vallata Eurooppa ilman yhtäkään panssarivaunua

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Posted by: Pahat Pojat
This is Sierra-259 you got Spartans on the ground, sir. We're not going anywhere


Think about this. Sierra 259 could be a Marine. Spartan reinforcements have come down. You plus them are not going anywhere.

Possibility.

If not you try explaining to me how Bungie pulled out a Spartan 259 out of their backsides. We'll be back to square 1.


Team Beta.

More than 320 children could have been scanned for possible induction before lowering the count to 150 candidates and Halo: The Fall of Reach facts has been retconned before.

  • 10.25.2009 6:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: Pahat Pojat
Posted by: Sanjeev
Posted by: Pahat Pojat
This is Sierra-259 you got Spartans on the ground, sir. We're not going anywhere


Think about this. Sierra 259 could be a Marine. Spartan reinforcements have come down. You plus them are not going anywhere.

Possibility.

If not you try explaining to me how Bungie pulled out a Spartan 259 out of their backsides. We'll be back to square 1.


Team Beta.

More than 320 children could have been scanned for possible induction before lowering the count to 150 candidates and Halo: The Fall of Reach facts has been retconned before.


Possible. But, seems are bit unlikely that they would stretch the canon that far. Just sayin.

  • 10.25.2009 6:48 AM PDT

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Is it me, or is it cold in here?


It's just you.

  • 10.25.2009 6:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: I h8 Deathclaws
Is it me, or is it cold in here?


It's just you.


Thank you. :)

  • 10.25.2009 7:03 AM PDT

Well, maybe they "need not be Spartans", but obviously they are. The game is about the Spartan extermination in Reach, those 'Sierra guys' say "We are not going anywhere" (translated, "Spartans are not here to runaway, but to fight").

  • 10.25.2009 7:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: Dix Ponga 9
Well, maybe they "need not be Spartans", but obviously they are. The game is about the Spartan extermination in Reach, those 'Sierra guys' say "We are not going anywhere" (translated, "Spartans are not here to runaway, but to fight").


Gee, I didn't think Bungie released information about the game being about the 'Spartan extermination in Reach'

And for the 'We're not going anywhere' comment:

Think about this. Sierra 259 could be a Marine. Spartan reinforcements have come down. You plus them are not going anywhere.

Possibility.

If not you try explaining to me how Bungie pulled out a Spartan 259 out of their backsides. We'll be back to square 1.

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From above. :D

  • 10.25.2009 7:24 AM PDT

sure it's a possibility

but i personally believe they are spartans

because the only in game occurrence of sierra being used is for the MC, a spartan. so it's a high possibility of them also being Spartans.

  • 10.25.2009 7:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: Dix Ponga 9
Well, maybe they "need not be Spartans", but obviously they are. The game is about the Spartan extermination in Reach, those 'Sierra guys' say "We are not going anywhere" (translated, "Spartans are not here to runaway, but to fight").


Gee, I didn't think Bungie released information about the game being about the 'Spartan extermination in Reach'

And for the 'We're not going anywhere' comment:

Think about this. Sierra 259 could be a Marine. Spartan reinforcements have come down. You plus them are not going anywhere.

Possibility.

If not you try explaining to me how Bungie pulled out a Spartan 259 out of their backsides. We'll be back to square 1.

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From above. :D


1.- Bungie did not release information? They said Halo: Reach will tell the Battle of Reach. What's up with the Battle of Reach? The SPARTAN-II extermination excepting MC.

2.- Why does a Marine use 'Sierra' codename and does not use 'Mike'? If you say 'Sierra' it is because the real name begins with 'S'. For example, 'Spartan'. Also, there are ALWAYS three numbers next to the Spartan word, like in 'Sierra-320' or 'Sierra-117'.

3.- Bungie has never done a decent screenplay before in Halo series, so it's highly probable this time they don't do a decent one either. I mean, those theories are poop because we all know Halo hasn't a very extended or complex story. It is too simple.

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  • 10.25.2009 7:44 AM PDT

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Well, maybe they "need not be Spartans", but obviously they are. The game is about the Spartan extermination in Reach, those 'Sierra guys' say "We are not going anywhere" (translated, "Spartans are not here to runaway, but to fight").


Gee, I didn't think Bungie released information about the game being about the 'Spartan extermination in Reach'

And for the 'We're not going anywhere' comment:

Think about this. Sierra 259 could be a Marine. Spartan reinforcements have come down. You plus them are not going anywhere.

Possibility.

If not you try explaining to me how Bungie pulled out a Spartan 259 out of their backsides. We'll be back to square 1.

________________________________________

From above. :D


1.- Bungie did not release information? They said Halo: Reach will tell the Battle of Reach. What's up with the Battle of Reach? The SPARTAN-II extermination excepting MC.

2.- Why does a Marine use 'Sierra' codename and does not use 'Mike'? If you say 'Sierra' it is because the real name begins with 'S'. For example, 'Spartan'. Also, there are ALWAYS three numbers next to the Spartan word, like in 'Sierra-320' or 'Sierra-117'.

3.- Bungie has never done a decent screenplay before in Halo series, so it's highly probable this time they don't do a decent one either. I mean, those theories are poop because we all know Halo hasn't a very extended or complex story. It is too simple.

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Posted by: Dix Ponga 9
Well, maybe they "need not be Spartans", but obviously they are. The game is about the Spartan extermination in Reach, those 'Sierra guys' say "We are not going anywhere" (translated, "Spartans are not here to runaway, but to fight").


Gee, I didn't think Bungie released information about the game being about the 'Spartan extermination in Reach'

And for the 'We're not going anywhere' comment:

Think about this. Sierra 259 could be a Marine. Spartan reinforcements have come down. You plus them are not going anywhere.

Possibility.

If not you try explaining to me how Bungie pulled out a Spartan 259 out of their backsides. We'll be back to square 1.

________________________________________

From above. :D


1.- Bungie did not release information? They said Halo: Reach will tell the Battle of Reach. What's up with the Battle of Reach? The SPARTAN-II extermination excepting MC.

2.- Why does a Marine use 'Sierra' codename and does not use 'Mike'? If you say 'Sierra' it is because the real name begins with 'S'. For example, 'Spartan'. Also, there are ALWAYS three numbers next to the Spartan word, like in 'Sierra-320' or 'Sierra-117'.

3.- Bungie has never done a decent screenplay before in Halo series, so it's highly probable this time they don't do a decent one either. I mean, those theories are poop because we all know Halo hasn't a very extended or complex story. It is too simple.


SIMPLE?!?!?!?! have you even looked past the games story line? thats the biggest underestimate ive ever heard

  • 10.25.2009 10:03 AM PDT

I think that the Sierra teams or whatever are PROBABLY marines.... I don't doubt you here.

  • 10.25.2009 10:06 AM PDT

Halo is a good storyline? LOL

I think you have to read books like 'Michel Strogoff', view films like 'Citizen Kane' and play games like 'BioShock' and then you'll see Halo's screenplay is a huge bull-blam!-.

At the point of the recreation of the Halo universe... Well, I think it could sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better. For example, Metroid Prime. It has much less material to recreate an environment than Halo but Metroid Prime experience is one of the best ever seen in videogames and in art in general. Halo games never goes into the story line in depth. The only game that went into the game atmosphere was Halo: Combat Evolved, Halo 2 and Halo 3 just broke it.

I'm a Halo fan, but not a blind one. The truth is American people overoveroveroveroveroveroveroverestimate Halo games even in concepts where Halo is very bad (storyline, recreation).

Now it's the turn of those fanboys that are going to say me Halo is the best game/universe of the world without giving any reason. I gave my reasons to believe Halo is not that good as lots of people thinks.

But I'm thinking, if you think Halo story is that good, what kind of bull-blam!- do you think is a bad one? Sorry dude, I had to say it.

  • 10.25.2009 11:25 AM PDT

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The 150 spartans thing is only based on canon that exists outside of the games.

  • 10.25.2009 11:27 AM PDT

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The 150 spartans thing is only based on canon that exists outside of the games.


But it's still canon. Bungie accepts books facts, and MicroSoft too. See the Halo Wars chronology if you don't trust me.

  • 10.25.2009 11:32 AM PDT

Posted by: Dix Ponga 9
Halo is a good storyline? LOL

I think you have to read books like 'Michel Strogoff', view films like 'Citizen Kane' and play games like 'BioShock' and then you'll see Halo's screenplay is a huge bull-blam!-.

At the point of the recreation of the Halo universe... Well, I think it could sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better. For example, Metroid Prime. It has much less material to recreate an environment than Halo but Metroid Prime experience is one of the best ever seen in videogames and in art in general. Halo games never goes into the story line in depth. The only game that went into the game atmosphere was Halo: Combat Evolved, Halo 2 and Halo 3 just broke it.

I'm a Halo fan, but not a blind one. The truth is American people overoveroveroveroveroveroveroverestimate Halo games even in concepts where Halo is very bad (storyline, recreation).

Now it's the turn of those fanboys that are going to say me Halo is the best game/universe of the world without giving any reason. I gave my reasons to believe Halo is not that good as lots of people thinks.

But I'm thinking, if you think Halo story is that good, what kind of bull-blam!- do you think is a bad one? Sorry dude, I had to say it.


well, actually the story is deep if you count all the non game madia (books, comics ect).

also, metroid ftw


on topic, although your theory makes sense i still think they are spartans

  • 10.25.2009 11:48 AM PDT

Posted by: Dix Ponga 9
Halo is a good storyline? LOL

I think you have to read books like 'Michel Strogoff', view films like 'Citizen Kane' and play games like 'BioShock' and then you'll see Halo's screenplay is a huge bull-blam!-.

At the point of the recreation of the Halo universe... Well, I think it could sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better. For example, Metroid Prime. It has much less material to recreate an environment than Halo but Metroid Prime experience is one of the best ever seen in videogames and in art in general. Halo games never goes into the story line in depth. The only game that went into the game atmosphere was Halo: Combat Evolved, Halo 2 and Halo 3 just broke it.

I'm a Halo fan, but not a blind one. The truth is American people overoveroveroveroveroveroveroverestimate Halo games even in concepts where Halo is very bad (storyline, recreation).

Now it's the turn of those fanboys that are going to say me Halo is the best game/universe of the world without giving any reason. I gave my reasons to believe Halo is not that good as lots of people thinks.

But I'm thinking, if you think Halo story is that good, what kind of bull-blam!- do you think is a bad one? Sorry dude, I had to say it.

Im sorry but i disagree, thats your opinion and i respect that, but i believe that a story does not have be a literate masterpiece to be perceived as being good. You bring up the point about citizen kane, a good movie sure, but what is the difference between that movie and star wars? ill tell you what, escapism. A story does not have to be drenched in realism or have to have a solifying story to be considered fun. Now tell me which provides more entertainment? star wars or citizen kane, probably star wars. which has the better story? probably citizen kane, thier's the difference, although both these factors can be interwoven, in video gaming terms they rarely are.

Halo has a tremendous amount of backstory, and if you construe the story to be self contained within the games, then you may have point, although i think odst went some way to add a emotive story. However, as a piece of science fiction, the wealth of story and possibility out there within the halo lore is endless, leaving enough unknowns to spark the fans imagination. Sure its no Asimov, but you know what? its probably more fun and at the end of day, thats what counts.
You say Bioshock has a good story, and i agree its fantastic, but its not what kept me playing, the atmosphere,the music, the gameplay is what kept me playing, something that i think halo edges out bioshock in every department. I think you realize that a story can be told in many various ways, not just the strength of the script.


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