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If somebody's opinion is being smashed and nobody's helping, I try and help. I use logic and extensive vocabulary (and sometimes self-destructive circular reasoning) to confuse my enemies into submission. Fear me, trolling, fapping creatures of the night. For I. Am your worst nightmare.

No you dont. There were about 32 spartans alive at the beginning of Reach and at least 7 alive after the glassing. 5 where trapped in CASTLE with Dr. Halsey while John was with a comatose Linda and Johnson plus some other characters I can't remember. The 5 left alive were there because they were at a part where the Covenant needed to escavate a Forerunner artifact. If MLG is on and I got some info wrong please feel free to correct me. Oh and this thread will probably be locked because you cannot have a subject title with all capitals.

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  • 10.25.2009 7:46 PM PDT

i dont know wat this is

alright if you have halo wars look up the year 2552

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um if i rember correctly halo war is considered semi-canon but most fan think it shouldnt even exist at all

  • 10.25.2009 7:53 PM PDT

How to spell "space"?

S-P-ACE! SPACE!

Wrong... this isn't Reach's plot.

  • 10.25.2009 7:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: HELLHOLE77
alright if you have halo wars look up the year 2552


alright if you have the book first strike read it

  • 10.25.2009 7:54 PM PDT

If somebody's opinion is being smashed and nobody's helping, I try and help. I use logic and extensive vocabulary (and sometimes self-destructive circular reasoning) to confuse my enemies into submission. Fear me, trolling, fapping creatures of the night. For I. Am your worst nightmare.

Yes I know but technically Halo Wars took the hugest crap on Bungie's canon. An example would be The Arbiter armor is supposed to be passed on from Arbiter to Arbiter. But it shows a Spartan shoving the Arbiters dead body (with the armor on it) off an extremely high Forerunner structure.

  • 10.25.2009 7:54 PM PDT

Make another one stupid.

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  • 10.25.2009 7:57 PM PDT

If somebody's opinion is being smashed and nobody's helping, I try and help. I use logic and extensive vocabulary (and sometimes self-destructive circular reasoning) to confuse my enemies into submission. Fear me, trolling, fapping creatures of the night. For I. Am your worst nightmare.

Yeah...so I completely disagree with this thread.

  • 10.25.2009 7:59 PM PDT
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um that arbiter armour was different variant and 2nd i dont think that possible ther was an infected arbiter he still had his amour and oh the planet was destoyed aslo so i doubt they got his amour back

  • 10.25.2009 8:01 PM PDT

If somebody's opinion is being smashed and nobody's helping, I try and help. I use logic and extensive vocabulary (and sometimes self-destructive circular reasoning) to confuse my enemies into submission. Fear me, trolling, fapping creatures of the night. For I. Am your worst nightmare.

No there was no different variant. There was only ONE Arbiter armor. And yes, the planet was destroyed, further proving my point that Halo Wars was completely destroying Bungie's canon. And where did you get the idea of an infected Arbiter?

  • 10.25.2009 8:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: cerberous226
Yes I know but technically Halo Wars took the hugest crap on Bungie's canon. An example would be The Arbiter armor is supposed to be passed on from Arbiter to Arbiter. But it shows a Spartan shoving the Arbiters dead body (with the armor on it) off an extremely high Forerunner structure.


*rubs temples wearily*

Lies.

For example, it was never ever said by anyone in the Halo universe ever that the armor was passed down from Arbiter to Arbiter in an unbroken chain since the foundation of the Covenant. Nor was this implied to be the case.

Also, Rippa 'Moramee was a great deal bigger than Thel 'Vadumee so the armor wouldn't fit anyway.

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Posted by: cerberous226
No there was no different variant. There was only ONE Arbiter armor. And yes, the planet was destroyed, further proving my point that Halo Wars was completely destroying Bungie's canon. And where did you get the idea of an infected Arbiter?
where do u get this info if there was only one arbiter amour most the arbiter probaly never ever meet each other AND THE ARBITER IS NOT A HOLY POSTION IT A MARK OF SHAME.

  • 10.25.2009 8:33 PM PDT

"Belive me, or what'cha see is what'cha get."

I know halo rach too! its comeing out sometime in 2010!!!

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Posted by: cerberous226
No there was no different variant. There was only ONE Arbiter armor. And yes, the planet was destroyed, further proving my point that Halo Wars was completely destroying Bungie's canon. And where did you get the idea of an infected Arbiter?
where do u get this info if there was only one arbiter amour most the arbiter probaly never ever meet each other AND THE ARBITER IS NOT A HOLY POSTION IT A MARK OF SHAME.


um, k
-"Do you know where we are?"
-"The mausoleum of the Arbiter"
-"Quite, so"
-"Here rest the Vanguard of the Great Journey"
....
-"Even on my knees, I do not belong in their presence"

Not a mark of shame, a mark of honor.
"You are the Arbiter, the will of the Prophets"


And Halo Wars.. not officially recognized Halo canon.
Ensemble made most of that up to fit what they wanted for that game.
which was :@ in every respect.

[Edited on 10.25.2009 9:42 PM PDT]

  • 10.25.2009 9:40 PM PDT

I wish I was still legendary.

Posted by: Will_Spartan043


um, k
-"Do you know where we are?"
-"The mausoleum of the Arbiter"
-"Quite, so"
-"Here rest the Vanguard of the Great Journey"
....
-"Even on my knees, I do not belong in their presence"

Not a mark of shame, a mark of honor.
"You are the Arbiter, the will of the Prophets"


And Halo Wars.. not officially recognized Halo canon.
Ensemble made most of that up to fit what they wanted for that game.
which was :@ in every respect.


No, you're wrong.

It is a mark of shame and honour at the same time. It spares the covenant's worst sangheili criminals from a quick death, instead promising them a death doing the work of their prophets, where they are almost certain to die much slower and more painfully. No self-respecting elite wants to be branded a heretic, but that's exactly what the brand is - a mark of failure, a mark of the heretic, a mark of blasphemy, a mark of shame.

There was definitely more than one suit of Arbiter armour. Honestly, how can you be so stupid to believe that the covenant could retrieve a suit of armour from many different areas, never have it damaged and somehow have it always fit an elite?

Halo Wars is official Canon, whether you like it or not. Ensemble worked alongside Bungie to make sure that NO aspects of their story broke canon. Anything that does seem to (meeting flood, sentinels, arbiderka, amount of spartans at reach), can be classified as a retroactive canon, and should just be accepted. If you met a single life form on a planet which was no more than essentially gasbags would you honestly tell everyone about if when you got back? And honestly, how dangerous would they think something which, to their knowledge, only lived on what is now a destroyed planet?

  • 10.25.2009 10:21 PM PDT
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um, k
-"Do you know where we are?"
-"The mausoleum of the Arbiter"
-"Quite, so"
-"Here rest the Vanguard of the Great Journey"
....
-"Even on my knees, I do not belong in their presence"

Not a mark of shame, a mark of honor.
"You are the Arbiter, the will of the Prophets"


And Halo Wars.. not officially recognized Halo canon.
Ensemble made most of that up to fit what they wanted for that game.
which was :@ in every respect.


No, you're wrong.

It is a mark of shame and honour at the same time. It spares the covenant's worst sangheili criminals from a quick death, instead promising them a death doing the work of their prophets, where they are almost certain to die much slower and more painfully. No self-respecting elite wants to be branded a heretic, but that's exactly what the brand is - a mark of failure, a mark of the heretic, a mark of blasphemy, a mark of shame.

There was definitely more than one suit of Arbiter armour. Honestly, how can you be so stupid to believe that the covenant could retrieve a suit of armour from many different areas, never have it damaged and somehow have it always fit an elite?

Halo Wars is official Canon, whether you like it or not. Ensemble worked alongside Bungie to make sure that NO aspects of their story broke canon. Anything that does seem to (meeting flood, sentinels, arbiderka, amount of spartans at reach), can be classified as a retroactive canon, and should just be accepted. If you met a single life form on a planet which was no more than essentially gasbags would you honestly tell everyone about if when you got back? And honestly, how dangerous would they think something which, to their knowledge, only lived on what is now a destroyed planet?



The Arbiter is a position of honor.

"OUR" Arbiter, failed in the fact that he allowed Halo to be destroyed. He was a heretic because their, "most sacred ring" was "allowed" to be destroyed. Their prophecy then negated, throwing everything about their covenant into question. The Elite that became the Arbiter was therefore branded a heretic.

-"You are one of our most treasured, instruments"
Not just any Elite can become the Arbiter.
-"We know you are no heretic, the Council was.. overzealous"
From contact harvest we know the Prophets were politicians. They appeased the council, telling them "they will have their corpse." Just think of Tarturus' expression when he brought our arbiter before the Prophets. It was expected that he was going to be executed. The arbiter is a position of honor, not shame. No criminal would ever be given the responsibility that came with being "the will of the prophets"

And I never said there was one suit of armor, but this quote from Halo 2.
-"Your armor system is not as new.. as ours. Your camouflage will not last forever"
suggests that it is in fact the one and only armor for the Arbiter. Though likely not. But it sure wasn't custom made for our Arbiter.

-"Here rest the vanguard of the great journey. Every Arbiter from first to last. Each one created and concealed in times of extraordinary crisis."
-"The taming of the hunters, the grunt rebellion, were it not for the Arbiter the Covenant would have broken long ago"

-"Even on my knees i do not belong in their presence"
this line is just affirming the legendary status of the Arbiter. He did not expect to become the Arbiter. They spared his life and gave him a chance to redeem himself with an honor he could have never imagined in his lifetime.


Halo Wars was not created by Bungie. It simply followed "guidelines" as outlined in their "Halo Bible". Almost all of the events that took place in that game were made up for the sake of a story in the game. While i'm not sure if any of it actually conflicted with "official" Halo canon, it was still a cheap rip-off of something great. Calling it the same thing, is insulting to the Halo title. And think of it this way, Bungie is refusing to produce more Halos as of right now, yet Microsoft is taking it upon themselves to milk the cow for as long as possible. Bungie has no choice in the matter, because they were once owned by Microsoft. The rights to this title do not solely rest in Bungie's hands anymore. Halo is their "baby," and they made the mistake of marrying it to a greedy corporation. Halo is going to get raped by 343 Industries. The commercial machine is no more canon than what your younger brother comes up with as an awesome story for how the chief goes back in time and somehow ends up in the prequel as his older self.
No slapping Halo on the side of something does not make it official canon. It just means you have a lot of money and you own the commercial rights to someone else's creative idea.

[Edited on 10.25.2009 11:19 PM PDT]

  • 10.25.2009 11:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Will_Spartan043
SNIP (because you shouldn't have to re-read this load of -Blam!-)


Yeah, you're still wrong. Holding guesses as canonical fact makes you a failure as a fan, refusing to accept canon because it's "commercial" makes you a failure as a consumer. If you had any sense of decency you'd brand yourself with the Mark of Shame and spend the rest of your life as a hermit in the Sahara.

Also, if you're going to use quotes to "support" your "arguments" at least put down the right quote: "each one created and consumed in times of extraordinary crisis."

You're right about one thing, the Arbiter is a rank of honor. But why does this necessitate a life of honor? (pro tip: it doesn't)

[Edited on 10.26.2009 7:38 AM PDT]

  • 10.26.2009 7:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: Will_Spartan043
SNIP (because you shouldn't have to re-read this load of -Blam!-)


Yeah, you're still wrong. Holding guesses as canonical fact makes you a failure as a fan, refusing to accept canon because it's "commercial" makes you a failure as a consumer. If you had any sense of decency you'd brand yourself with the Mark of Shame and spend the rest of your life as a hermit in the Sahara.

Also, if you're going to use quotes to "support" your "arguments" at least put down the right quote: "each one created and consumed in times of extraordinary crisis."

You're right about one thing, the Arbiter is a rank of honor. But why does this necessitate a life of honor? (pro tip: it doesn't)


Your only rebuttle being, I messed up a quote that i didn't even mess up.
The rest is mere insults and a sense of you own ego.

If you can say I'm not a real fan, because I only accept what Joseph Staten and his affiliates produce as canon. Then go ahead call me loyal.

[Edited on 10.26.2009 9:12 PM PDT]

  • 10.26.2009 9:02 PM PDT

I wish I was still legendary.

Posted by: Will_Spartan043
Posted by: EldritchWarlord
Posted by: Will_Spartan043
SNIP (because you shouldn't have to re-read this load of -Blam!-)


Yeah, you're still wrong. Holding guesses as canonical fact makes you a failure as a fan, refusing to accept canon because it's "commercial" makes you a failure as a consumer. If you had any sense of decency you'd brand yourself with the Mark of Shame and spend the rest of your life as a hermit in the Sahara.

Also, if you're going to use quotes to "support" your "arguments" at least put down the right quote: "each one created and consumed in times of extraordinary crisis."

You're right about one thing, the Arbiter is a rank of honor. But why does this necessitate a life of honor? (pro tip: it doesn't)


Your only legitimate rebuttle being, I messed up a quote.
The rest is mere insults and a sense of you own ego.

If you can say I'm not a real fan, because I only accept what Joseph Staten and his affiliates produce as canon. Then go ahead call me loyal.



But Joe and Frankie said it was canon. CHECKMATE.

Anyway. Halo Wars is Canon, the numbers of spartans on Reach have changed every time they were mentioned (although it is between 28 and 33) and can't be relied on, chief technically didn't participate in the battle for Reach, blah blah blah. Point is, Halo Wars had a lame story line but it's official canon, whether you like it or not, and the other canon is filled with plot holes that nobody digs at.

  • 10.26.2009 9:08 PM PDT

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It looks like a Puma?!?

Posted by: cerberous226
No you dont. There were about 32 spartans alive at the beginning of Reach and at least 7 alive after the glassing. 5 where trapped in CASTLE with Dr. Halsey while John was with a comatose Linda and Johnson plus some other characters I can't remember. The 5 left alive were there because they were at a part where the Covenant needed to escavate a Forerunner artifact. If MLG is on and I got some info wrong please feel free to correct me. Oh and this thread will probably be locked because you cannot have a subject title with all capitals.

The, others were: Haverson, and Locklear.

  • 10.26.2009 9:17 PM PDT

If somebody's opinion is being smashed and nobody's helping, I try and help. I use logic and extensive vocabulary (and sometimes self-destructive circular reasoning) to confuse my enemies into submission. Fear me, trolling, fapping creatures of the night. For I. Am your worst nightmare.

Thank you assassin, its been a while since I've read First Strike.

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Posted by: llamalizard
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Posted by: EldritchWarlord
Posted by: Will_Spartan043
SNIP (because you shouldn't have to re-read this load of -Blam!-)


Yeah, you're still wrong. Holding guesses as canonical fact makes you a failure as a fan, refusing to accept canon because it's "commercial" makes you a failure as a consumer. If you had any sense of decency you'd brand yourself with the Mark of Shame and spend the rest of your life as a hermit in the Sahara.

Also, if you're going to use quotes to "support" your "arguments" at least put down the right quote: "each one created and consumed in times of extraordinary crisis."

You're right about one thing, the Arbiter is a rank of honor. But why does this necessitate a life of honor? (pro tip: it doesn't)


Your only legitimate rebuttle being, I messed up a quote.
The rest is mere insults and a sense of you own ego.

If you can say I'm not a real fan, because I only accept what Joseph Staten and his affiliates produce as canon. Then go ahead call me loyal.



But Joe and Frankie said it was canon. CHECKMATE.

Anyway. Halo Wars is Canon, the numbers of spartans on Reach have changed every time they were mentioned (although it is between 28 and 33) and can't be relied on, chief technically didn't participate in the battle for Reach, blah blah blah. Point is, Halo Wars had a lame story line but it's official canon, whether you like it or not, and the other canon is filled with plot holes that nobody digs at.


I'd like to see where they said that. And Reach was standardized in Halo: The Fall of Reach. Though not all of the Spartans were named, the main characters were. And their numbers haven't changed. If anything the book has precedence because it was first. If Wars conflicts in any way that would logically negate it as official. The Master Chief was at Reach. He was at Reach during the battle of reach. The PoA barely escaped when it jumped out of system after the battle had clearly been lost and hope of recovering ground teams was no longer an option.
The books were official. In fact Joseph Staten wrote Contact Harvest himself.

[Edited on 10.26.2009 9:24 PM PDT]

  • 10.26.2009 9:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Will_Spartan043
1. I'd like to see where they said that.

2. And Reach was standardized in Halo: The Fall of Reach.



1.here. Frankie signed it off as canonically correct/doable, and they used the Halo bible to ensure it didn't make any irreparable changes.

2. It's not standardised, the book in itself alternates between 28 and 33 spartans present, and new canon overrides old so if H:R says different, it's the official number present.

  • 10.26.2009 9:40 PM PDT

Nolan is Nolan.

Halo Wars = sem-canon, that's the truth, due to it not sharing the same creators as the original game. Therefore, any incorrections are wrong, and the main halo games' canon is the truth. In other words, the main power in the canon is the games made by Bungie, then some of the books, depending on writer and authorization, and whether the game has confirmed it canon or not, then the non-bungie games and books.

On the subject of the Arbiter, each one was a great warrior, and expected to kill every enemy near him, making access to his corpes and armor easy (remember Tartarus getting the moniter and attacking Thel?) And as for the armor fitting? All elites shape was changed in Halo wars, which is once again, non-canon, since the main game contradict it.

So:
Bungie games > Bungie licensed/written books > Non-bungie games/books

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