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Subject: Why Halo CE beats Halo 3: ODST

Queen is awesome.

Because it's kickass!

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  • 10.27.2009 2:13 PM PDT

Great post, short to the point and catchy.

  • 10.27.2009 4:40 PM PDT
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i thought odst was going to be better but its the same

  • 10.27.2009 4:45 PM PDT

Of course ODST is better.
Halo: CE cannot be beat though, as it is a classic but honestly, ODST is better...

  • 10.27.2009 4:46 PM PDT
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ya, gotta know who you are...

That's a great reason.
wow awesome discussion
You're sure to get lots of responses longer than one sentence long.
you've really made me see the light.

  • 10.27.2009 5:27 PM PDT

Queen is awesome.

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That's a great reason.
wow awesome discussion
You're sure to get lots of responses longer than one sentence long.
you've really made me see the light.

Glad I could help.

  • 10.30.2009 4:30 PM PDT
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Pika = Pikachu
Chief = Master Chief
2 = only becuase someone else took PikaChief

Actually, if you look at the times the games were made, and also in comparison to other games, Halo CE was actually a MUCH better game for its time than any other game, including ODST, could ever be. But if you just compare ODST and CE, then of course ODST is better. How can it not?

  • 10.30.2009 5:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Pika2Chief
Actually, if you look at the times the games were made, and also in comparison to other games, Halo CE was actually a MUCH better game for its time than any other game, including ODST, could ever be. But if you just compare ODST and CE, then of course ODST is better. How can it not?
Well, if it had the same monotonous gameplay that Halo 2 did, it would.

  • 11.01.2009 12:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Pika2Chief
Actually, if you look at the times the games were made, and also in comparison to other games, Halo CE was actually a MUCH better game for its time than any other game, including ODST, could ever be. But if you just compare ODST and CE, then of course ODST is better. How can it not?
Well, if it had the same monotonous gameplay that Halo 2 did, it would.

So much hating on 2 there, chickenlittle. Just fired up the old girl on the new 360 the other day, and, can't say how impressed I was. It really deserves its place next to CE. (Something I wouldn't say about 3 or ODST.) How long has it been since you played it ? It seems like CE almost set up an impossible to follow act, and 2 is the unfortunate recipient of its backlash. Instead of getting irritated at my deaths, I actually found myself having good old Halo fun for the first time in a while. No achievements, long levels...it felt like the old friend CE has always been.

  • 11.07.2009 6:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: chickenlittle
Posted by: Pika2Chief
Actually, if you look at the times the games were made, and also in comparison to other games, Halo CE was actually a MUCH better game for its time than any other game, including ODST, could ever be. But if you just compare ODST and CE, then of course ODST is better. How can it not?
Well, if it had the same monotonous gameplay that Halo 2 did, it would.

So much hating on 2 there, chickenlittle. Just fired up the old girl on the new 360 the other day, and, can't say how impressed I was. It really deserves its place next to CE. (Something I wouldn't say about 3 or ODST.) How long has it been since you played it ? It seems like CE almost set up an impossible to follow act, and 2 is the unfortunate recipient of its backlash. Instead of getting irritated at my deaths, I actually found myself having good old Halo fun for the first time in a while. No achievements, long levels...it felt like the old friend CE has always been.
Allow me to provide a few reasons why I loathe Halo 2. Well, maybe not loathe, but it's the worst game in the Halo franchise.

1. Campaign was -blam!- boring. Gameplay was monotonous, and there were way too many chokepoints. Every experience was the same, and players were rarely, if ever rewarded for looking for a strategy beyond the tried and true. That said, there was absolutely no immersion outside of the Sentinel Wall. No atmosphere at all. And don't even get me started on the Brutes as enemies.

2. Multiplayer was garbage. Personally, I like gameplay where the player has to do more than shoot or look in the general direction of an enemy to shoot them or melee them. The lunging and auto-aim certainly did not help that. And just like Halo 3, Halo 2 was essentially just a numbers game. if you had 4 players, the other team had 3, you win unless you completely suck.

3. Gameplay mechanics were garbage as well. Only shields, much less I might add, and not much health. The Slotgun. The Sword. No Fall Damage excluding instant death. Covenant vehicle boosting. Physics. LEGENDARY; I used to love playing this in Halo: CE, because I actually had a decent chance to kill things and get through the levels. Halo 2 & Halo 3, 5-7 shots from anything, you're dead. You don't even last a full second in a firefight.

[Edited on 11.08.2009 10:44 PM PST]

  • 11.08.2009 10:40 PM PDT

Is halo odst actually worth it? Im hesitating to buy it. Fighting ugly apes all the time was so lame in halo 3, really miss the elites, cant w8 for halo reach cuz at least in that game they must include elites and leave the f@c/<ed up brutes out (if not at least put them seperate in packs or somthin)!!

Halo ce compared to Halo 2 and 3, has still the best campaign of the franchise. In halo 2, bungie just messed it all up. If they let you play as the arbiter (which i found quite interesting actually), they should v normally let you fight humans instead of other stupid aliens, that was very lame. Halo 3 was just like halo 2 but had a tiny bit more of a halo ce feel to it. Probably just the AR maybe lol. But the replacement of the elites by the boring brutes was epic fail! I found halo 2s and 3s campaign quite childish compared to halo ce's. Probably because bungie tried to explain the bigger scope while in halo ce it was just mysteries. Proves that storytelling isnt one of bungie's strong points.
Best Multiplayer well? thats halo ce for PC. It irritated me after a while to pay for halo 3's multiplayer, paying extra for online play doesnt make any sense to me.

Just a few reasons why halo ce was better which havent been mentioned above:

1) Enemies in halo ce were fun to watch. (oh...and kill), for example the way the grunts ran away screaming when the elite was dead, the way they wisper "here he comes" when you r close by, the epic "wortwortwort" of the elites and the thing the elites do when u break their shield... god, now thats a halo game !
Its way cooler and immersive to hear your enemies speaking their mothertongue to each other instead of english: note to Bungie!

2) Imo halo ce has the better soundtrack and atmosphere: Hearing "Covenant Dance" when you r inside the spaceship hunting elites between sci-fi walls and doors. "gun pointed at the universe" when you are in the rainy jungle with a bunch of marines trying to survive the flood, and ofcourse "rock anthem for saving the world" when you r fighting your way through the opening gate of halo 's control centre... and yes the original halo anthem is still the best


3) Halo ce was filled with memorable setpieces. Just to name a few: the laser bridge in the 2nd levl, the arrival on the beach of the cartographer, in levl "truth and reconciliation" the moment u get inside the covenant spaceship for the first time and see the invisible elites with swords.. the entire levl "two betrayals" with the covenant and the flood fighting you and each other at the same time. I'll never forget the moment in 2betrayals when you get out of a gate at some point with your shotgun, walk up a slope of snow, as soon as you see snowflakes falling the song "under cover of night" starts playing, and in the distance you witness a big battle of the covenant against the flood... epic!

Do you have such memorable moments in halo 3 odst?

[Edited on 11.09.2009 8:47 AM PST]

  • 11.09.2009 8:41 AM PDT

The music in the city streets really adds atmosphere, makes you think you're all alone, especially when you find dead Marines in the abandoned buildings. There aren't that many "Oh, wow!" moments, but you do get to watch the Mombasa Space Elevator collapse. And see a Scarab climb out of the ocean. And watch the Covenant glass the city.

  • 11.09.2009 8:46 AM PDT

Seems cool, but it doesnt seem enough to really convince me to get it. Is the night wandering really really cool? Or just something uve seen before and not that special? Is the story less childish than halo 2 and halo 3? Again the fact that there are no elites to fight, really makes it less appealing to me. Maybe I'll buy it once the price drops. I do believe that halo3 odst was a step in the right direction for Bungie: More emphasis on characters, atmosphere and more a non-lineair approach to gameplay.

Come to think of it, there are 3 things bungie is actually really good at doing: giving us great toys to fight with (guns and vehicles), creating great multiplayer maps+game variants, and creating immersive atmosphere (major role is ofcourse the music). Halo ce had it all, halo 3 less (atmosphere wise) and halo 2 least.

Im hoping for the best for Halo Reach. Bungie dont u dare forgetting "wortwortwort"


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  • 11.09.2009 9:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: chickenlittle
The music in the city streets really adds atmosphere, makes you think you're all alone, especially when you find dead Marines in the abandoned buildings. There aren't that many "Oh, wow!" moments, but you do get to watch the Mombasa Space Elevator collapse. And see a Scarab climb out of the ocean. And watch the Covenant glass the city.


i hated the last level on ODST i would of loved to have to drive in a mongoose while buck,dare and vrgl are in a warthog on a destroyed part of the highway until launching through the smoke and into the dropship and then saving buck who is hanging on the edge of the dropship

  • 11.09.2009 9:32 AM PDT

Posted by: Madsam88
Seems cool, but it doesnt seem enough to really convince me to get it. Is the night wandering really really cool? Or just something uve seen before and not that special? Is the story less childish than halo 2 and halo 3? Again the fact that there are no elites to fight, really makes it less appealing to me. Maybe I'll buy it once the price drops. I do believe that halo3 odst was a step in the right direction for Bungie: More emphasis on characters, atmosphere and more a non-lineair approach to gameplay.
I rather enjoyed it, but it is cool. When you have the VISR off, everything is dark, or bathed in a red glow from lights and fire. For a while, the immersion lasts, and you can wander around for a couple hours.

Though if you're like me, and didn't buy any maps, it's a definite buy, as you get them all.

  • 11.09.2009 12:09 PM PDT

doesn't halo CE beat every halo game except in terms of graphics?

  • 11.09.2009 12:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: chickenlittle
Covenant vehicle boosting.
What was wrong with that?

  • 11.09.2009 12:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan R76
doesn't halo CE beat every halo game except in terms of graphics?
ODST has better music. Halo 2 did too other than all of that random garbage they added to the Halo 2 OST vol 1 that wasn't in the game.

  • 11.09.2009 12:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Madsam88
Seems cool, but it doesnt seem enough to really convince me to get it. Is the night wandering really really cool? Or just something uve seen before and not that special? Is the story less childish than halo 2 and halo 3? Again the fact that there are no elites to fight, really makes it less appealing to me. Maybe I'll buy it once the price drops. I do believe that halo3 odst was a step in the right direction for Bungie: More emphasis on characters, atmosphere and more a non-lineair approach to gameplay.
I rather enjoyed it, but it is cool. When you have the VISR off, everything is dark, or bathed in a red glow from lights and fire. For a while, the immersion lasts, and you can wander around for a couple hours.

Though if you're like me, and didn't buy any maps, it's a definite buy, as you get them all.


Well ye i bought the legendary map pack a year ago, heroic map pack is free, didnt buy the mythic yet just in case i would v decided to get halo3 odst. Hmm so 6 new maps, plus firefight mode (which none of my friends on xbox live play) plus atmospherical 6 hour campaign...with full retail price...okay half price and i would consider it. If i would v known about odst back in early 2008, i would v never bought halo 3. Its like the perfect havent-played-halo3-yet package. Damn capitalist M$oft!

  • 11.09.2009 1:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Madsam88
Seems cool, but it doesnt seem enough to really convince me to get it. Is the night wandering really really cool? Or just something uve seen before and not that special? Is the story less childish than halo 2 and halo 3? Again the fact that there are no elites to fight, really makes it less appealing to me. Maybe I'll buy it once the price drops. I do believe that halo3 odst was a step in the right direction for Bungie: More emphasis on characters, atmosphere and more a non-lineair approach to gameplay.
I rather enjoyed it, but it is cool. When you have the VISR off, everything is dark, or bathed in a red glow from lights and fire. For a while, the immersion lasts, and you can wander around for a couple hours.

Though if you're like me, and didn't buy any maps, it's a definite buy, as you get them all.


Well ye i bought the legendary map pack a year ago, heroic map pack is free, didnt buy the mythic yet just in case i would v decided to get halo3 odst. Hmm so 6 new maps, plus firefight mode (which none of my friends on xbox live play) plus atmospherical 6 hour campaign...with full retail price...okay half price and i would consider it. If i would v known about odst back in early 2008, i would v never bought halo 3. Its like the perfect havent-played-halo3-yet package. Damn capitalist M$oft!
The Halo 3 Campaign is not included in the Mythic disc.

But Firefight is definitely worth it, even if you just play with strangers. I was very skeptical when I got it, and now I love it.

  • 11.09.2009 4:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: MichaelYEAHH
Of course ODST is better.
Halo: CE cannot be beat though, as it is a classic but honestly, ODST is better...


Agreed. Sorry but times and technology change and Halo 3 ODST rocks.

In truth they are both quite different to each other so it is hard to compare in all fairness.

  • 11.10.2009 2:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: MichaelYEAHH
Of course ODST is better.
Halo: CE cannot be beat though, as it is a classic but honestly, ODST is better...


Agreed. Sorry but times and technology change and Halo 3 ODST rocks.

In truth they are both quite different to each other so it is hard to compare in all fairness.
When has that ever stopped anybody?

  • 11.13.2009 12:10 AM PDT

Doc: "i'm a pacifist"
Caboose: "your a thing that babies suck on?"
Tucker: "no dude, that's a pedephile"
Church: "tucker, i think he means a pacifier"

ODST was a great effort by Bungie to bring Halo to where it was with CE. A game that demanded skill through gameplay and tactics, not simply weapon choice, and had decent scripting, pacing, and atmosphere. The only fault that I could find in ODST was it's length, and that was to be expected as it was never intended to be a full game anyway. But in order of campaign alone I would rate it the folliwng:

CE>ODST>3>2

For H2's campaign I pretty much agree with Chicken, it was mundane and repeatative. It was hard to care about much of what was going on, especially in the Arbiters levels. This is made all the more frustrating by the fact that there was such potential with a branching story line, and it faultered.

H3 had a story that could only be described as being epic, but the scripting and pacing was far too hallow. It had better focus to it, but flowed by to quickly, too easilly, and didn't capture the same feeling of urgency that CE started, and ODST came really close to mimmicking.

and MP:

CE>3>2

I cannot rate ODST MP as it technically doesn't have one, even though Firefight is awesome. The MP in 2 is heavily fractured and devolved the game into on great big corridor shooter. You either camp your firing lanes with the BR or you get upclose with melee's, shotty's, or swords. BORING.

The MP in 3 fixed some of the BS, but in turn made the game too easy. Coupled with the ranking system and how easilly it is circumvented, and the fact that the game still relies on BR dominance it is a better offering than 2 IMO, but still far weaker than CE.

[Edited on 11.13.2009 12:30 PM PST]

  • 11.13.2009 12:13 PM PDT

Posted by: SweetTRIX
ODST was a great effort by Bungie to bring Halo to where it was with CE. A game that demanded skill through gameplay and tactics, not simply weapon choice, and had decent scripting, pacing, and atmosphere. The only fault that I could find in ODST was it's length, and that was to be expected as it was never intended to be a full game anyway. But in order of campaign alone I would rate it the folliwng:

CE>ODST>3>2

For H2's campaign I pretty much agree with Chicken, it was mundane and repeatative. It was hard to care about much of what was going on, especially in the Arbiters levels. This is made all the more frustrating by the fact that there was such potential with a branching story line, and it faultered.

H3 had a story that could only be described as being epic, but the scripting and pacing was far too hallow. It had better focus to it, but flowed by to quickly, too easilly, and didn't capture the same feeling of urgency that CE started, and ODST came really close to mimmicking.

and MP:

CE>3>2

I cannot rate ODST MP as it technically doesn't have one, even though Firefight is awesome. The MP in 2 is heavily fractured and devolved the game into on great big corridor shooter. You either camp your firing lanes with the BR or you get upclose with melee's, shotty's, or swords. BORING.

The MP in 3 fixed some of the BS, but in turn made the game too easy. Coupled with the ranking system and how easilly it is circumvented, and the fact that the game still relies on BR dominance it is a better offering than 2 IMO, but still far weaker than CE.
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  • 11.13.2009 6:23 PM PDT
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ODST is a nice nugget, no disagreement here. But it's a compact little piece that gives us what we all wanted: More Halo. It's beautifully great. But beyond that, people that slam H-2 tend to talk in generalities. Yes, your shields fall far quicker. That's part of the thing. 'No immersion beyond the sentinel wall..' What ? I found Delta Halo and Outskirts (Best Halo level ever) to be pretty darn compelling. I just don't see the "repetitive" nature of vehicle boarding/assaulting, and all the various enemies: Brutes, Honor Guards, Fuel rod Grunts, Invisible Flood, Hunters, Drones, Jackal Snipers, Flood that are impervious to melee...What do you people want ?

  • 11.14.2009 6:03 PM PDT

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