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Subject: No brutes means no brute weapons?

Steven

My understanding is that Reach didnt have any brutes. I could be wrong but if Reach didnt have any brutes does that mean we wont have the brute shot/spike grenade/chopper/etc? Just a thought.

  • 10.28.2009 8:22 AM PDT

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oh no! whatever shall we do, no brute weapons.

/sarcasm

actually, they might be there because they were at harvest, along with the weapons. but the chopper was not made by the brutes, an engineer made 4 of them in the book and gave them to Tartarus

  • 10.28.2009 8:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: Tesla 123

actually, they might be there because they were at harvest,

actually, the leader commanding the covenant fleet was the arbiter... an elite. and brutes would never obey an elite superior. so it's unlikely.

[Edited on 10.28.2009 8:28 AM PDT]

  • 10.28.2009 8:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: Tesla 123

actually, they might be there because they were at harvest,

actually, the leader commanding the covenant fleet was the arbiter... an elite. and brutes would never obey an elite superior. so it's unlikely.


did you read the book "Contact Harvest" the brutes are friends with the profets, not the elites.(they dont hate eachother, but they aren't best friends either. Also the Brutes are the first to make contact with the humans.

  • 10.28.2009 8:32 AM PDT
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Just because they weren't mentioned in the novels does not mean they weren't present.

You can count on Brutes being in the game.

[Edited on 10.28.2009 8:34 AM PDT]

  • 10.28.2009 8:34 AM PDT
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actually, they might be there because they were at harvest,

actually, the leader commanding the covenant fleet was the arbiter... an elite. and brutes would never obey an elite superior. so it's unlikely.


did you read the book "Contact Harvest" the brutes are friends with the profets, not the elites.(they dont hate eachother, but they aren't best friends either. Also the Brutes are the first to make contact with the humans.

1 - no I have not read the book.
2 - that's very cool and all... but we're talking of REACH, not harvest. and it is a FACT that the commander was the elite that would become the arbiter later in the story (it says so during halo 2).
... and brutes and elites despise each other. that's why you never saw them cooperating in battle in H2. besides, the elites hate brutes even more since they're new to the covenants but get a lot lot more privileges than elites, who've been the founders of the covenants.

  • 10.28.2009 8:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: Tesla 123

actually, they might be there because they were at harvest,

actually, the leader commanding the covenant fleet was the arbiter... an elite. and brutes would never obey an elite superior. so it's unlikely.


did you read the book "Contact Harvest" the brutes are friends with the profets, not the elites.(they dont hate eachother, but they aren't best friends either. Also the Brutes are the first to make contact with the humans.

1 - no I have not read the book.
2 - that's very cool and all... but we're talking of REACH, not harvest. and it is a FACT that the commander was the elite that would become the arbiter later in the story (it says so during halo 2).
... and brutes and elites despise each other. that's why you never saw them cooperating in battle in H2. besides, the elites hate brutes even more since they're new to the covenants but get a lot lot more privileges than elites, who've been the founders of the covenants.


i'm not saying that they have a good relationship, but the Arbiter is under the command of the prophets, so are the brutes, they might have an appearence in the game because the Prophets told them to go and attack

  • 10.28.2009 8:39 AM PDT

Posted by: Tesla 123

did you read the book "Contact Harvest" the brutes are friends with the profets, not the elites.(they dont hate eachother, but they aren't best friends either. Also the Brutes are the first to make contact with the humans.


I did read the book, and I have a few minutes to poke some holes here...

1. Jackals made first contact with humans not the brutes...actually an engineer and a grunt did, but they were under Jackal authority.

2. If you did read the book then you should know that at that time brutes were considered a lesser class by the elites who didn't allow the brutes to have organized fleets and only allowed them inferior and antiquated vessels to command.

Brutes wouldn't have even been part of the covenant attack as elites didn't like the brutes, and they didn't want them participating in their attacks. And the other guy was right. Brutes wouldn't take orders from an elite commander anyway.

Brutes had a sort of secret alliance with the prophets, but at the time the hierarchs basically gave full military discretion to the elites in charge. They only made the big picture decisions. Elites could probably exclude whoever they wanted.

[Edited on 10.28.2009 8:44 AM PDT]

  • 10.28.2009 8:41 AM PDT
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well it MIGHT happen, but I don't see it happening to be honest.
I'd rather see small specops brute squads dispatched to the planet for very specific tasks, I don't see them taking part in the main battles.
this would make more sense to me.

in any case, if they don't appear at all in the game, then there won't be any brute weapons.

  • 10.28.2009 8:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: Tesla 123

did you read the book "Contact Harvest" the brutes are friends with the profets, not the elites.(they dont hate eachother, but they aren't best friends either. Also the Brutes are the first to make contact with the humans.


I did read the book, and I have a few minutes to poke some holes here...

1. Jackals made first contact with humans not the brutes...actually an engineer and a grunt did, but they were under Jackal authority.

2. If you did read the book then you should know that at that time brutes were considered a lesser class by the elites who didn't allow the brutes to have organized fleets and only allowed them inferior and antiquated vessels to command.

Brutes wouldn't have even been part of the covenant attack as elites didn't like the brutes, and they didn't want them participating in their attacks. And the other guy was right. Brutes wouldn't take orders from an elite commander anyway.


ok... i forgot about the jackals, my mistake. BUT, the point still remains that brutes might be on Reach because they are under the Prophets command

  • 10.28.2009 8:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: z0rgy
well it MIGHT happen, but I don't see it happening to be honest.
I'd rather see small specops brute squads dispatched to the planet for very specific tasks, I don't see them taking part in the main battles.
this would make more sense to me.

in any case, if they don't appear at all in the game, then there won't be any brute weapons.


well, i'm just stating that it could be possible, however... i hate the brutes and really hope Elites are the main bad guys

  • 10.28.2009 8:45 AM PDT

Whether or not brutes will be in reach really doesn't matter.

But if they aren't, would their....what, four weapons, be missed?

Spiker- Fail

Brute shot- Flips Warthogs

Gravity Hammer- Broken

Brute PR- I think the Brute Plasma Rifle is a pretty cool guy. eh pwns noobs faster than the blue one and doesn't afraid of anything.

Got all that?

[Edited on 10.28.2009 10:08 AM PDT]

  • 10.28.2009 8:45 AM PDT

Posted by: Tesla 123
ok... i forgot about the jackals, my mistake. BUT, the point still remains that brutes might be on Reach because they are under the Prophets command


Its true that its possible, but they would in no way be working with the main covenant military force on Reach. The only way brutes would make an appearance would be if they were on a secret or controversial mission from the Prophets.

At this point you are making an incredibly blind guess with a slim chance of really occurring. Since you haven't said anything implying you believe otherwise I guess at this point we can say that its possible...just not likely.

  • 10.28.2009 8:47 AM PDT

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Hopefully some new weapons will be included on this game, so don't you worry.

  • 10.28.2009 9:15 AM PDT
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Brute weapons were'nt that great anyway, but in my opinion they are going to make some new weapons for Halo:Reach, so im guessing for the sake of time, that they are going to use this in their favor, by having less OLD weapons that need to be balanced with the NEW weapons, so obviously Reach should have a whole new set of balances because of the brute weapons not being there and the new weapons coming in.

  • 10.28.2009 10:06 AM PDT

Simply saying, a mixed force of brutes and elites would be a terrifying opponent.

The brutes in Halo 3 sucked because they lacked serious medium range strength. They had jackal marksmen covering their backs from a distance. Shieldless, weak, jackal marksmen. That stand out in the open. In plain sight. On tree limbs, even. A single shot eliminated that thread and so the brutes were much easier to take care of.

Replace those wimpy jackals with elites with carbines that can actually take cover and fire behind cover and you have yourself a much more challenging game. Elites support from medium range with plasma fire and carbines while brutes shield their meat up close and slaughter us with spikers, brute shots, and hammer.

This would be epic.

  • 10.28.2009 10:12 AM PDT

I am flatterd that you botherd to look at my signature.

the arbiters fleet had no brutes.so we most likely will fight more elites than brutes..

  • 10.28.2009 10:14 AM PDT

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Hopefully, Reach will be Brute free. I enjoyed fighting the Elites so much more.

  • 10.28.2009 10:47 AM PDT

Posted by: Longsword049
the arbiters fleet had no brutes.so we most likely will fight more elites than brutes..

The Arbiter in Halo Wars had a small detachment of Brutes.

  • 10.28.2009 10:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: Longsword049
the arbiters fleet had no brutes.so we most likely will fight more elites than brutes..

The Arbiter in Halo Wars had a small detachment of Brutes.

the arbiter in HW had suicide grunts.
the brute chieftain had brute squads.

also, if you mean the campaign, you were facing brute only troops or "regular" troops (the elite in the grunt squad was replaced by a brute whenever you saw a brute squad. you'd NEVER see a regular grunt squad AND a brute squad at the same time).
in other words : you're wrong.

  • 10.28.2009 10:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: Longsword049
the arbiters fleet had no brutes.so we most likely will fight more elites than brutes..

The Arbiter in Halo Wars had a small detachment of Brutes.

the arbiter in HW had suicide grunts.
the brute chieftain had brute squads.

also, if you mean the campaign, you were facing brute only troops or "regular" troops (the elite in the grunt squad was replaced by a brute whenever you saw a brute squad. you'd NEVER see a regular grunt squad AND a brute squad at the same time).
in other words : you're wrong.


In the story the Arbiter did have command of a number of Brutes, he did of course segregate them but that doesn't change the fact that he commanded them.

In other words: You are the one who is wrong.

[Edited on 10.28.2009 11:01 AM PDT]

  • 10.28.2009 11:00 AM PDT

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I'm assuming that we'll be encountering both Elites and Brutes in Reach. It's easy enough to say that the prophets ordered them there along with the Elites and that they were just not mentioned before now.

It also makes sense from a game design perspective to keep brutes. Brutes are an established part of Halo lore, and the two previous games had them as major enemies. I don't think they'll be removed when they don't need to be, and people who played the last two games would be confused as to why they weren't there if they were removed.

It's easy enough to say there were no brutes in Halo:CE when there were some in Reach because the Arbiter didn't take any of their ships with him when he followd the Autumn.

  • 10.28.2009 11:08 AM PDT

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Just a general FYI, until the events of Halo2, Brutes were below Elite commanders, and had to follow them. Brutes were not even trusted with fully furnished ships to themselves. There is not love between the two, but around the time of Reach, the Brutes were still 'below' the Elites.

In regards to their prescence on Reach, it is highly unlikely they will be there, but it is entirely possible. The reasons for them not being there are simple, they were never mentioned in The Fall of Reach, and the stronger reason being that the destruction of what was assumed to be the possible human homeworld would not be lead by the Brutes. Something that important to the Covenant would be lead by the Elites, who still held their place next to the Prophets.

All of that being said they could be featured being as Contac Harvest put Brutes into the earlier parts of the timeline, and Bungie will retcon certain aspects of the story that do not take away from the key points. If they are not featured however, it would be safe to say that their weapons would not be present either.

  • 10.28.2009 11:13 AM PDT