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Subject: Halo wars-should have nothing to do with halo:reach

Look out.... -boom- (headshot)
I told you to look out, but know, you got in my way, was going to shoot that splaser....

Of course, once the space battles are lost,the ground battle doesnt make a diffrence, covie wins space = glassed planet, UNSC wins = large space Hulks floating in space and a 80% death of the ground troops.

Now, Even with the spartans they still technically lost on Halo insitation 04 because they had to blow the Pillar of Autams Core reactor to blow the ring up then escape by hyjacking a covenant crusier, maned with an ODST, Sargeant Johnson, an ONI spook, the driver of the pelican, Cortona, and John, spartan 117 aka Master Chief, and was able to jump to Reach. which, sad to say, was another ground battle failure, and they had near 20 Spartans on the ground.

  • 10.30.2009 5:24 AM PDT

Halo wars vehicles are win, this thread isn't.
Do you seriously think that ensemble and bungie had no consultation with each other. yes there is a gauss hog in wars yet one did not appear until halo 2, but if you look at design for both of them, you will see they are very different. Also please read more in this canon guide.

  • 10.30.2009 5:39 AM PDT

http://www.halo-forum.com

Any of the vehicles from Halo Wars could appear and not break canon. The reason that there was only Scorpions and Warthogs on the POA (and therefore in CE) was because they werent originally supplied for a ground mission. That doesnt mean that Reach, the UNSC's biggest military facility, only had Warthogs and Scorpions. They could have any of the Halo Wars vehicles or even new ones. Reach was glassed so therefore any prototype weapons and vehicles that were there wouldnt be in the other games but Bungie CAN put whatever they want into Reach while still following canon.

  • 10.30.2009 6:03 AM PDT

Mike Lowery: [singing] Bad boys, bad boys what ya gonna do? What ya gonna do when we come for you?
[Marcus starts ad-libbing the first verse]
Mike Lowery: Dude, you gotta learn the words.
Marcus Burnett: We usually only do the chorus

wow one of my threads actually got more than 3 replies

Now then Halo Wars may be confirmed to be canon,I accept that but what im saying is that many of the facts do not fit in with the halo canon,now simply ignore that it has been 'confirmed as canon' and realise that somethings merely dont fit such as why a ship tasked with mopping up covenant resistance on a mostly glassed planet

the reason ive only played 4 games of halo 2 multiplayer (ive played campaign many times) is because i only got my xbox 2 christmas's ago and thus i found it far more fun to play halo 3 online

i have responded to pms actually

and do you really want many overpowered vehicles in Reach

  • 10.30.2009 7:00 AM PDT

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if you avoid David Powel
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Posted by: Torch105
Some of the vechicals, weapons, and the Spartans are not cannon.


Wrong, it's all canon save for some "Gameplay and Story Segregation" things which should be fairly obvious.

For example, the Plasma Rino. If the UNSC has the plasma rino, why weren't they using other plasma based weapons?

Yes, the prototype plasma Rhino. By far the biggest stretch but explainable.

This is not official but it comes from an employee of Robot; what if the plasma Rhinos used Wraith plasma mortar cannons? Not "based on" or "reverse engineered from" but actual recovered Covenant weapons. This fits perfectly because it maintains that the UNSC doesn't have weaponized plasma in the same sense as the Covenant.

If you remain skeptical I'll just have to teach you some principles of technology. It is much easier to make something work than to learn exactly how it works. Making a lightbulb work is as easy as putting an electric current through it, making a lightbulb is considerably harder.

Sure UNSC scientists may have no clue how exactly a plasma mortar cannon makes a plasma mortar shot but getting it to do so is probably takes little more than some control signals and a source of plasma.

The Weapons, Spartan Laser was never used in combat till some time after Reach I believe. I don't believe the laser was still in testing and not to be used in combat.

There is no source to confirm your belief, in fact there is no indication whatsoever to even hint at when Sp'lasers (M6 Grindell/Galilean Non-Linear Rifle technically) were developed. My guess is that it's based on the same technology as the pulse lasers used by UNSC Prowlers which would make it entirely feasible for Sp'lasers to exist in 2531.

Now the Spartans, to my knowlege, there was no Spartan II's that where ordered to fight on Harvest, I believe they where just finishing there training and getting the new Mark 4 armor. Besides, the Spartans where created to defeat the Inserectionist, not fight the covenant. This changed some time later.

You would be correct, however Halo Wars does not in fact have any Spartans at the Battle of Harvest (1st, 2nd, or 3rd). Rather, Red Team (the largest Spartan-II group, they often splintered in sub-groups named after letters from the Greek alphabet) was deployed to the defense of Arcadia in early 2531. This would have been about 5 or 6 years after they first received their Mjolnir armor.

EDIT:Posted by: snaky jones

Now then Halo Wars may be confirmed to be canon,I accept that but what im saying is that many of the facts do not fit in with the halo canon,now simply ignore that it has been 'confirmed as canon' and realise that somethings merely dont fit such as why a ship tasked with mopping up covenant resistance on a mostly glassed planet



The Spirit of Fire being tasked to investigate why exactly the Covenant would continue fighting the UNSC over control of the mostly glassed planet Harvest is perfectly feasible.

Every fact fits into canon perfectly save the obvious gameplay related exceptions (Mjolnir Mark IV with energy shields for instance).

[Edited on 10.30.2009 7:25 AM PDT]

  • 10.30.2009 7:18 AM PDT

The only thing thats breaks canon in Halo Wars is the fact that the Spartans have shields in gameplay.

  • 10.30.2009 7:27 AM PDT

Mike Lowery: [singing] Bad boys, bad boys what ya gonna do? What ya gonna do when we come for you?
[Marcus starts ad-libbing the first verse]
Mike Lowery: Dude, you gotta learn the words.
Marcus Burnett: We usually only do the chorus

although i stand by my statement i do see your point

  • 10.30.2009 10:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sp4rt4n119
Thank you sir, that was an epic rendition of this topic.


Posted by: Xx KNOX xX
and how!

Really? More variety would ruin Halo: Reach?

You're a buffoon. You may not like the game, but it is still Halo canon. [Except for shielding on the Mark IV, that is ONLY for gameplay purposes.]

  • 10.30.2009 10:28 AM PDT

You're like, the bee's knees: you have helped me out a LOT in the past and you're a genuinely nice guy, and you deserve all the best for the good you've done me and surely done others
Count Peter, you're one of the only people I respect on here. Not that that means much on a forum, but still.

There are many things from halo wars i think should stay with halo wars (e.g. just no to the idea of a hawk in an FPS...) but other things could be quite cool.

  • 10.30.2009 10:41 AM PDT

but what about hawks and vultures.

I NEEED THEM IN REACH ALONG W/ LONGSWORD AND PELICAN

but I would have Pelican over any other air vehicle

  • 10.30.2009 1:16 PM PDT

its not made by bungie but by gearbox. the guy is right, halo wars doesn't fit in the halo series!

  • 10.30.2009 1:48 PM PDT

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Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

Posted by: gamedestroyer69
its not made by bungie but by gearbox. the guy is right, halo wars doesn't fit in the halo series!


I can't tell if this guy is kidding or not?

  • 10.30.2009 1:50 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

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Posted by: snaky jones
Posted by: EldritchWarlord
Well then you and many other fans are verifyably false.

Go ahead . . . try me.

none of the vehicles etc and most of the canon units dont fit into the halo timeline,humanity hadnt developed these things and even if they had prototypes they wouldnt give them to a ship tasked with mopping up a few covie troops on a glassed planet


Pathetic.

You just didn't see any before Halo Wars. Do you really think that the UNSC wouldn't have self-propelled anti-air missile systems or artillery guns?

Come on, give me a real challenge!

If all these vehicles existed then why did the UNSC regularly lose ground engagements with the Covenant before the Spartans?


LOL!!!!! really? that is where the humans almost always WON
the Humans beat the Covanant on nearly every ground engagement.

the covies would lose and glass the planet. THAT is how they were winning

  • 10.30.2009 1:54 PM PDT

Sieg Zeon

just because you didnt like halo wars because it was a game that made you kind of think for a change doesnt mean the game is not cannon

  • 10.30.2009 2:04 PM PDT

Duracell.
I don't keep going and going and going and...
but i Start, and just don't Stop.

So what if the saxophone is black?
it has better tone the the gold one.
damn straight i play Jazz.

Posted by: Torch105
Posted by: Torch105
Some of the vechicals, weapons, and the Spartans are not cannon.

For example, the Plasma Rino. If the UNSC has the plasma rino, why weren't they using other plasma based weapons?

The Weapons, Spartan Laser was never used in combat till some time after Reach I believe. I don't believe the laser was still in testing and not to be used in combat.

Now the Spartans, to my knowlege, there was no Spartan II's that where ordered to fight on Harvest, I believe they where just finishing there training and getting the new Mark 4 armor. Besides, the Spartans where created to defeat the Inserectionist, not fight the covenant. This changed some time later.[/quote]

The Plasma Rhino was actually said in the game to be a prototype, and their first plasma weapon made. They never got around to finishing it. They only used it in that mission because they were desperate.

No knowledge of the Spartan Laser, but I don't believe it was made in that time either, so I agree with you there.

Halo Wars takes place 5 years after the assault on Harvest, so all of the Spartan-II's are very well in this type of combat.


They may very well be ready, but they where never ordered, to my knowlege, to fight on harvest.

And if the plasma rino was a proto-type, why was there no other plasma proto-type weapons? Unless Bungie * cough * ONI would not reveal this to the public.


the spartans were never on harvest. even in halo wars. they were picked up by the SOF on Arcadia.

remember there were 3 worlds in halo wars: Harvest, Arcadia, And the sheild world

  • 10.30.2009 2:06 PM PDT

Mike Lowery: [singing] Bad boys, bad boys what ya gonna do? What ya gonna do when we come for you?
[Marcus starts ad-libbing the first verse]
Mike Lowery: Dude, you gotta learn the words.
Marcus Burnett: We usually only do the chorus

Posted by: xXNEVA SCAREDXx
just because you didnt like halo wars because it was a game that made you kind of think for a change doesnt mean the game is not cannon

excus me
i actually like RTSs and I would still play it but the multiplayer justw asnt to my taste. IE warthog rushes,brute rushes etc.

  • 10.30.2009 2:53 PM PDT
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what is this halo you speak of?

Posted by: snaky jones
Posted by: xXNEVA SCAREDXx
just because you didnt like halo wars because it was a game that made you kind of think for a change doesnt mean the game is not cannon

excus me
i actually like RTSs and I would still play it but the multiplayer justw asnt to my taste. IE warthog rushes,brute rushes etc.


its not hard to stop a rush at all

  • 10.30.2009 3:25 PM PDT

Halo wars-will have something to do with halo:reach bungie okayed esamble to make it so its now in the sory line so deal with it

  • 10.30.2009 3:34 PM PDT

I'd like to be half-man half-tree in an octopus' garden in the shade.

Who cares if they hadn't been developed? I don't want them to not include anything new because it doesn't fit in with the canon.

  • 10.30.2009 3:34 PM PDT

Wherever you roam
so far from home
you'll be safe from peril
life threatening and terrible
if you avoid David Powel
and keep track of your towel.

Posted by: Deathtrap462
Who cares if they hadn't been developed? I don't want them to not include anything new because it doesn't fit in with the canon.


What? I guess ODST wouldn't fit in with canon either, what with those F-99 Aerial Combat Drones and Spartan Laser, not to mention the Brutes with armor.

  • 10.30.2009 3:43 PM PDT
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Don't you dare even try it to be honest.

You're a fool OP, you are basicly saying, oh I've never seen this in the previous games, therefore it never existed, why don't you bring up something stupid like "oh I never saw the brutes in Halo CE, guys they're not real!!!!!"

Get over yourself.

  • 10.30.2009 4:10 PM PDT

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