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Does anyone else hope to see castle base it would be so cool or fight with charlie company from the books.

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you mean the ONI base?
we might see it. or not.

since the game is a prequel to H1, then everything has to be BEFORE H1.
yet, we don't hear of the ONI base until first strike, which takes place after H1...

it's up to bungie. I really dunno.

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Dunno. I expect somewhere along the line though. For this game to be any decent length it's going to have to contradict 'The Fall of Reach' in a few ways. Unless it actually follows it pretty accurately, with the time lapses and all.

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you mean the ONI base?
we might see it. or not.

since the game is a prequel to H1, then everything has to be BEFORE H1.
yet, we don't hear of the ONI base until first strike, which takes place after H1...

it's up to bungie. I really dunno.
You do realize that just because something is not mentioned in the fiction beforehand, does not mean it didn't exist before. I mean, are you really that naive to assume that everything in Halo has been added on, and not part of a wide based fiction?

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Posted by: z0rgy
you mean the ONI base?
we might see it. or not.

since the game is a prequel to H1, then everything has to be BEFORE H1.
yet, we don't hear of the ONI base until first strike, which takes place after H1...

it's up to bungie. I really dunno.
You do realize that just because something is not mentioned in the fiction beforehand, does not mean it didn't exist before. I mean, are you really that naive to assume that everything in Halo has been added on, and not part of a wide based fiction?

yes of course. but the spartans discover the oni base while hiding from the glassing of the planet, and technically, they get inside the oni base during the events of H1... so it wouldn't be a prequel anymore if it's a parallel story.

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you mean the ONI base?
we might see it. or not.

since the game is a prequel to H1, then everything has to be BEFORE H1.
yet, we don't hear of the ONI base until first strike, which takes place after H1...

it's up to bungie. I really dunno.
You do realize that just because something is not mentioned in the fiction beforehand, does not mean it didn't exist before. I mean, are you really that naive to assume that everything in Halo has been added on, and not part of a wide based fiction?

yes of course. but the spartans discover the oni base while hiding from the glassing of the planet, and technically, they get inside the oni base during the events of H1... so it wouldn't be a prequel anymore if it's a parallel story.
Except what you said was that ONI was mentioned until First Strike, so it can't be mentioned in Reach.

So, yeah, that doesn't make sense.

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you mean the ONI base?
we might see it. or not.

since the game is a prequel to H1, then everything has to be BEFORE H1.
yet, we don't hear of the ONI base until first strike, which takes place after H1...

it's up to bungie. I really dunno.
You do realize that just because something is not mentioned in the fiction beforehand, does not mean it didn't exist before. I mean, are you really that naive to assume that everything in Halo has been added on, and not part of a wide based fiction?

yes of course. but the spartans discover the oni base while hiding from the glassing of the planet, and technically, they get inside the oni base during the events of H1... so it wouldn't be a prequel anymore if it's a parallel story.
Except what you said was that ONI was mentioned until First Strike, so it can't be mentioned in Reach.

So, yeah, that doesn't make sense.

I rephrased my point in a better way the second time.
tldr and even simpler version : the spartans didn't know about the base until first strike. so they couldn't go in it. and what happens during first strike isn't a prequel to H1 anymore.

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Posted by: z0rgy
you mean the ONI base?
we might see it. or not.

since the game is a prequel to H1, then everything has to be BEFORE H1.
yet, we don't hear of the ONI base until first strike, which takes place after H1...

it's up to bungie. I really dunno.
Those chapters in FS were flashbacks to just when the PoA leaves the system (August 30) for Halo (it takes many days to complete the travel, and Halo games so far have only spanned 3-4 days of actual combat per game, I think it would still all end before Halo 1 begins (September 19 dilated, September 6-7 real-time).

I don't think this game will follow the PoV of Fred, but infact Spartan-259 who would have logically been a member of Team Beta, one of the splinter team's in the novels with untold fates on Reach.

Maybe he and whoever he is with could have made it to CASTLE base, and possibly even other parts of the Forerunner complex? This opens up the possibility for Sentinels and Flood.

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  • 10.29.2009 9:48 AM PDT

There's nothing to say that Reach won't run ahead of Halo 1.

As I theorised here, it's possible that we'll go into the Forerunner caverns in Halo: Reach, thus creating a way for Bungie to bring Sentinels and Flood into the game.

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There's nothing to say that Reach won't run ahead of Halo 1.

As I theorised here, it's possible that we'll go into the Forerunner caverns in Halo: Reach, thus creating a way for Bungie to bring Sentinels and Flood into the game.
I'm all for Flood and Sentinels personally, as long as it's down tastefully and smart, unlike in Halo Wars.

As in: and the Spirit of Fire was never seen again, so they couldn't report what they had seen. . Might as well have gone the extra mile and make the whole game a dream, eh Ensemble?

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As in: and the Spirit of Fire was never seen again, so they couldn't report what they had seen. . Might as well have gone the extra mile and make the whole game a dream, eh Ensemble?


When do they say that?

The Timeline in the game strongly implies that the Spirit of Fire did make it back and that the Shield World mission was classified and covered-up by ONI.

Feel free to try poking holes in that, it's canonically impregnable I assure you.

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As in: and the Spirit of Fire was never seen again, so they couldn't report what they had seen. . Might as well have gone the extra mile and make the whole game a dream, eh Ensemble?


When do they say that?

The Timeline in the game strongly implies that the Spirit of Fire did make it back and that the Shield World mission was classified and covered-up by ONI.

Feel free to try poking holes in that, it's canonically impregnable I assure you.
Notice the italics, it was clearly meant to not be a literal quote.

Or else I would have put quotations. Hell, putting italics didn't even make sense, as that's for literary works.

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As in: and the Spirit of Fire was never seen again, so they couldn't report what they had seen. . Might as well have gone the extra mile and make the whole game a dream, eh Ensemble?


When do they say that?

The Timeline in the game strongly implies that the Spirit of Fire did make it back and that the Shield World mission was classified and covered-up by ONI.

Feel free to try poking holes in that, it's canonically impregnable I assure you.
Notice the italics, it was clearly meant to not be a literal quote.

Or else I would have put quotations. Hell, putting italics didn't even make sense, as that's for literary works.


I know, but allow me to rephrase:

When is that information presented to the audience?

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As in: and the Spirit of Fire was never seen again, so they couldn't report what they had seen. . Might as well have gone the extra mile and make the whole game a dream, eh Ensemble?


When do they say that?

The Timeline in the game strongly implies that the Spirit of Fire did make it back and that the Shield World mission was classified and covered-up by ONI.

Feel free to try poking holes in that, it's canonically impregnable I assure you.
Notice the italics, it was clearly meant to not be a literal quote.

Or else I would have put quotations. Hell, putting italics didn't even make sense, as that's for literary works.


I know, but allow me to rephrase:

When is that information presented to the audience?
It was heavily implied.

It's been a while since I played the game (for obvious reasons) and I believe Serina says something about them being far out of UNSC comm range or controlled space.

Dunno.

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It was heavily implied.

It's been a while since I played the game (for obvious reasons) and I believe Serina says something about them being far out of UNSC comm range or controlled space.

Dunno.


She actually said "We have no way home without that reactor."

But they survived and are certainly trying to get back, like I said the game's Timeline implies that they did get back.

  • 10.29.2009 10:18 AM PDT

Oh my God, the game's timeline implies exactly the opposite.

It says something along the lines of "In 2534, ONI declared the Spirit of Fire and all it's crew KIA."

It didn't say "ONI found the Spirit of Fire and covered it up."

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It was heavily implied.

It's been a while since I played the game (for obvious reasons) and I believe Serina says something about them being far out of UNSC comm range or controlled space.

Dunno.


She actually said "We have no way home without that reactor."

But they survived and are certainly trying to get back, like I said the game's Timeline implies that they did get back.
K.

I didn't play the game long enough to grab all those.

My god, if they did get back, that's such a fail. Either they're ignoring the fact that humanity would have known about the Flood beforehand, or for some reason ONI is so damn secretive that it won't even tell the rest of the UNSC about the Flood, which I highly doubt due to their huge threat.

EDIT: Nevermind.

I'm gonna have to go with Wolverfrog and say that you're probably wrong.

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She actually said "We have no way home without that reactor."

But they survived and are certainly trying to get back, like I said the game's Timeline implies that they did get back.
K.

I didn't play the game long enough to grab all those.

My god, if they did get back, that's such a fail. Either they're ignoring the fact that humanity would have known about the Flood beforehand, or for some reason ONI is so damn secretive that it won't even tell the rest of the UNSC about the Flood, which I highly doubt due to their huge threat.


To the Spirit of Fire the Flood is nothing more than a nameless parasitic superorganism that is now extinct. You should at least recall that they blew up the shield world thereby eliminating the threat of the Forerunner warships as well as anything living on or in the planet.

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She actually said "We have no way home without that reactor."

But they survived and are certainly trying to get back, like I said the game's Timeline implies that they did get back.
K.

I didn't play the game long enough to grab all those.

My god, if they did get back, that's such a fail. Either they're ignoring the fact that humanity would have known about the Flood beforehand, or for some reason ONI is so damn secretive that it won't even tell the rest of the UNSC about the Flood, which I highly doubt due to their huge threat.


To the Spirit of Fire the Flood is nothing more than a nameless parasitic superorganism that is now extinct. You should at least recall that they blew up the shield world thereby eliminating the threat of the Forerunner warships as well as anything living on or in the planet.
Ha ha.

No. There's no way they would write it off like that and fail to mention it to ONI.

There's no way.

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My god, if they did get back, that's such a fail. Either they're ignoring the fact that humanity would have known about the Flood beforehand, or for some reason ONI is so damn secretive that it won't even tell the rest of the UNSC about the Flood, which I highly doubt due to their huge threat.
ONI is very secretive. Cortana had no idea who the SPARTAN-IIIs were because ONI kept them secret, despite the fact that a seemingly invincible army of 300 semi-Spartans would have HIGHLY raised UNSC morale (one company dies, another has been trained). Even moreso than the SPARTAN-IIs; despite that being Ackerson's dream, ONI would still kept it secret.

That, and the Flood were probably not percieved to be a huge threat yet. They were only encountered on a planet built by an ancient alien race, and they had no means of space travel, so they were probably though to be very rare - maybe even a one-time occurance?

A theory at the early era of Flood knowledge could have certainly been: the Shield World was the home of an ancient alien species, which were destroyed by its biological creations, who then ruled the world until it was destroyed by the inner sun going supernova.

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Oh my God, the game's timeline implies exactly the opposite.

It says something along the lines of "In 2534, ONI declared the Spirit of Fire and all it's crew KIA."

It didn't say "ONI found the Spirit of Fire and covered it up."


Consider this: would ONI say that they're covering it up?

Plus changing the ship's status from MIA to KIA would require them to confirm the death. If they never find the ship they will never declare it KIA, not even if 1000 years go by.

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Oh my God, the game's timeline implies exactly the opposite.

It says something along the lines of "In 2534, ONI declared the Spirit of Fire and all it's crew KIA."

It didn't say "ONI found the Spirit of Fire and covered it up."


Consider this: would ONI say that they're covering it up?

Plus changing the ship's status from MIA to KIA would require them to confirm the death. If they never find the ship they will never declare it KIA, not even if 1000 years go by.


Oh, it's certainly possible; but I'm saying that as of now, the fact stated in the canon is just that, fact. Anything else is just a theory.

And they declared the Master Chief KIA; did they find his body? Exactly.

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Oh my God, the game's timeline implies exactly the opposite.

It says something along the lines of "In 2534, ONI declared the Spirit of Fire and all it's crew KIA."

It didn't say "ONI found the Spirit of Fire and covered it up."


Consider this: would ONI say that they're covering it up?

Plus changing the ship's status from MIA to KIA would require them to confirm the death. If they never find the ship they will never declare it KIA, not even if 1000 years go by.
Actually, what is more likely that after using resources to search for the crew and attempt to make contact, they declared them KIA because they believed that there was no way they could still be alive.

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Ha ha.

No. There's no way they would write it off like that and fail to mention it to ONI.

There's no way.


I didn't say that they wouldn't mention it, I said that given what they know no one would have any cause for concern.

Remember, they don't know the Flood like we do.

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Oh my God, the game's timeline implies exactly the opposite.

It says something along the lines of "In 2534, ONI declared the Spirit of Fire and all it's crew KIA."

It didn't say "ONI found the Spirit of Fire and covered it up."


Consider this: would ONI say that they're covering it up?

Plus changing the ship's status from MIA to KIA would require them to confirm the death. If they never find the ship they will never declare it KIA, not even if 1000 years go by.


Oh, it's certainly possible; but I'm saying that as of now, the fact stated in the canon is just that, fact. Anything else is just a theory.

And they declared the Master Chief KIA; did they find his body? Exactly.
They actually declared him MIA.

Spartans never die.

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