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Subject: Starting weapons, a plausible solution
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Poll: Starting weapons, a plausible solution  [closed]
Yes, sounds good:  71%
(17 Votes)
No, I want powder weapons with my Elite:  29%
(7 Votes)
Total Votes: 24

I've mentioned this in a few threads already but I think it needs to be properly discussed. So to the point. I am reaaally tired of using the AR/BR over and over again in every single gamemode, in CTF in slayer in Oddball and so on... And then the majority of weapons on map are the same as you start with, which I don't see the point in.
But anyway, my solution to this problem is that when you play as an Elite, you will start with Covenant weapons, and when you play as a Spartan, you will start with Human weapons. This way more weapons would get used online and a more Halo-like battlefield.

And then of course we need more variaton within the weapons on map.

Please reply after you have voted! And please, do not vote No just because you prefer playing as a Spartan or if you do not like Elites.

  • 10.30.2009 9:14 AM PDT

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Of course, too many times have I started with the -blam!-ing BR, please, let it die a slow and painful death in hell.


Elites with Plasma Pistol and Plasma Rifle, then Spartans with Pistol and AR.

  • 10.30.2009 9:16 AM PDT
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the problem with that idea lays in the weapon themselves and what role they have.

the AR is a multirole weapon, it does everything. the BR is a long ranger AR that can headshot.
the PR is just a shield destroyer... even if you dual wield them and take someone with an AR by surprise, you're likely to loose the fight.

so unless they drastically change how plasma based weapons work, forget it.
it's a shame, because of how it works, you don't need to use a plasma rifle/pistol, spiker, brute shot or anything besides the sniper rifle, rockets BR and AR.

  • 10.30.2009 9:20 AM PDT

lol @ AR

  • 10.30.2009 9:21 AM PDT
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Posted by: z0rgy
the problem with that idea lays in the weapon themselves and what role they have.

the AR is a multirole weapon, it does everything. the BR is a long ranger AR that can headshot.
the PR is just a shield destroyer... even if you dual wield them and take someone with an AR by surprise, you're likely to loose the fight.

so unless they drastically change how plasma based weapons work, forget it.
it's a shame, because of how it works, you don't need to use a plasma rifle/pistol, spiker, brute shot or anything besides the sniper rifle, rockets BR and AR.


Sounds like you are thinking about the weapons in Halo 3, there you wouldn't stand a chance with a single PR against a AR. But this is Reach and you have to consider that Bungie may have improved the covenant weapons so they have a chance against the human counterpart. I don't say that they will make them equally powerful, but you have to think that they are.

And I've got lots of kills with plasma rifles in halo 3 matchmaking :P

  • 10.30.2009 9:31 AM PDT

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No, for gameplay reasons, it wouldn't be wise to be able to choose which weapons you spawn with. Maybe the map could dictate your starting weapons? Bungie have made it so you spawn with Plasmas on Heretic, so I don't see why it wouldn't workl.

  • 10.30.2009 9:34 AM PDT

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Yes. I'd like to play as an Elite but I won't play a spartan disguised as an Elite.

I hate Elites who have human weapons. Ever since Halo2 I have hated it and change my weapons the 1st oppoturnity.

Even the weak PR would be better than having an AR or BR

  • 10.30.2009 9:40 AM PDT

this sounds good with me, as long as its made sure the human vs Covenant weapons are equal. Oh, and I hope the Needler in Reach is either less cheap or just doesn't exist.

  • 10.30.2009 9:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: Petski30
Elites with Plasma Pistol and Plasma Rifle, then Spartans with Pistol and AR.


That only problem with that is the elites spawn with a really big disadvantage and if they're getting shot when they spawn, it's pretty much a guaranteed death.

  • 10.30.2009 9:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: Petski30
Elites with Plasma Pistol and Plasma Rifle, then Spartans with Pistol and AR.


That only problem with that is the elites spawn with a really big disadvantage and if they're getting shot when they spawn, it's pretty much a guaranteed death.


Please elaborate this statement, because I have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about.

  • 10.30.2009 10:23 AM PDT

I don't see how this solves that problem.

  • 10.30.2009 10:31 AM PDT

I'm sorry but what is this "BR Problem" people are talking about? The BR seems fine too me.

  • 10.30.2009 10:36 AM PDT

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I think i heard that the BR is not going to be implemented any more anyway...

But no, i dislike your idea, purely because (one way or another) one character set will have better equipment

  • 10.30.2009 10:37 AM PDT

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I'm sorry but what is this "BR Problem" people are talking about? The BR seems fine too me.

the Br is just to overused if you want nothing but brs go to mlg others wise get out of my playlist

  • 10.30.2009 10:53 AM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

Here is how I see it:

If the weapons are made to be exact equivalents, then it would be fine to have Elites start with Plasma Rifle/Carbine to Spartan's AR/BR.

But that would be boring.

I would like the option to have "Asymmetric Weapon Starts: Off/On" in the Custom Game lobby, and then you could set which weapons the Offense, Defense, Team 3, Team 4 would spawn with.

Starting Grenade Type and amount should also be adjustable.

That way there is the option, and it isn't limited to just Plasma Rifles for Elites.

Like the offense on 1 flag maps could spawn with Covenant weapons, or the opposite.

  • 10.30.2009 11:06 AM PDT

Elites= Carbine, Plasma Rifle. Spartans= BR, AR. Brutes= Brute Shot and Spiker?.

  • 10.30.2009 11:14 AM PDT