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Subject: Do you want a scoped pistol in Reach
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Poll: Do you want a scoped pistol in Reach  [closed]
Yes:  67%
(64 Votes)
No:  33%
(31 Votes)
Total Votes: 95

I was thinking about how we have starting weapons now and how they were in the past Halo games;
In Halo CE you had the Magnum and the Assault Rifle, it worked fine, but the magnum was way overpowered giving you little reason to pick up anything else.
In Halo 2 you had the SMG at first and that made dual wielding the focus of the game which Bungie didn't really want and eventually we got mostly BR starts.
And now, in Halo 3 we have a good mix of AR and BR starting gametypes.

My idea for Reach would be to make a pistol similar to the one we had in CE, but not as powerful. Make it a good mid-range gun that complements the AR and can effectively get kills, but not quite as quick or efficient to the kill as the BR.
Ideally you wouldn't be able to dual wield the gun so it could shine on it's own or not feel useless without a second one, and it would be more than enough for someone to get kills with, but the BR would still be easier/ more efficient so it wouldn't overshadow the Battle Rifle. That way I don't think there would be such negative opinions and complaints about AR gametypes because the people who prefer using the BR would still start with an effective mid range weapon that can get headshot kills.

People loved the Halo CE pistol, and loved seeing the similar automag in ODST, I'm sure they'd enjoy seeing a scoped pistol make a comeback in multiplayer, too.

my bad if someone has already made a thread suggesting something similar, I did a quick search but didn't look too hard.

  • 10.30.2009 5:02 PM PDT
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I probably wouldn't mind it, but if you're taking it from Combat Evolved, it needs to be weakened. If you're taking it from ODST, you'll need to up the power. Either way, it depends on what other weapons are in Reach.

  • 10.30.2009 5:05 PM PDT
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Yeah, I wasn't saying take the exact gun from either game, but something similar. Maybe 5 or 6 shots to kill depending on how fast it fires. It would be effective, but the BR would still be better at longer ranges.

[Edited on 10.30.2009 5:07 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2009 5:06 PM PDT

Posted by: jiggerstick
My idea for Reach would be to make a pistol similar to the one we had in CE, but not as powerful. Make it a good mid-range gun that complements the AR and can effectively get kills, but not quite as quick or efficient to the kill as the BR.
Ideally you wouldn't be able to dual wield the gun so it could shine on it's own or not feel useless without a second one, and it would be more than enough for someone to get kills with, but the BR would still be easier/ more efficient so it wouldn't overshadow the Battle Rifle.
You pretty much just described the M6C/SOCOM (Halo 3: ODST pistol).

  • 10.30.2009 5:11 PM PDT

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Why would I want to use a pistol like a rifle and a rifle like an SMG?

  • 10.30.2009 5:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: WAR HOROR13
You pretty much just described the M6C/SOCOM (Halo 3: ODST pistol).

Yeah, that was pretty much my point, but more like a medium between ODST and CE, it wouldn't be an insane power weapon, but it would still be good for more than JUST headshots.

Posted by: EldritchWarlord
Why would I want to use a pistol like a rifle and a rifle like an SMG?


Because the first Halo was amazing.

[Edited on 10.30.2009 5:24 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2009 5:22 PM PDT
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*blam!* yeah! I want a scoped, sawed off, double barreled, magnum with a stock!

  • 10.30.2009 5:29 PM PDT

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I want an over-powered pistol that blows up in your hand when you fire it.

  • 10.30.2009 5:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: jiggerstick
In Halo CE you had the Magnum and the Assault Rifle, it worked fine, but the magnum was way overpowered giving you little reason to pick up anything else.

In Single player thats all I really used, but in multiplayer for the PC and xbox LAN parties, its not that overused like the BR we have today.

  • 10.30.2009 5:41 PM PDT

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YES. if we have a pistol with the same power as a burst from the BR and it scopes then the BR wont be used as much.

  • 10.30.2009 5:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: Barthvader76
YES. if we have a pistol with the same power as a burst from the BR and it scopes then the BR wont be used as much.

That's not what I'm getting at, I'm suggesting a pistol that acts the same as the CE pistol, but not as strong. It would be a useful starting weapon, but the BR would still be a more effective weapon.

But if you want a pistol that's the same as the BR, more power to you, it would be pretty fun.

  • 10.30.2009 6:08 PM PDT

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“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

ODST pistol would work fine.

Make it 12 rounds to kill with a headshot.

This allows the BR to still have a purpose in Reach, and make the ODST Magnum a secondary weapon for finishing off targets with headshots.

  • 10.30.2009 6:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: EldritchWarlord
Why would I want to use a pistol like a rifle and a rifle like an SMG?


Because the first Halo was amazing.


True, it was in spite of it's flip-flopped main weapons.

  • 10.30.2009 6:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Uncle Kulikov
ODST pistol would work fine.

Make it 12 rounds to kill with a headshot.

This allows the BR to still have a purpose in Reach, and make the ODST Magnum a secondary weapon for finishing off targets with headshots.

That would work perfectly for a secondary weapon to finish off or clean up a few kills, but what I'm wanting is something with a bit more power where it can be used the same way as what you're saying, but also effectively by itself instead of being mainly a sidearm that cleans up after another gun.


Either one would be fine with me, something that neatly fills the role of a mid range gun and compliments the assault rifle without needing a BR start.

[Edited on 10.30.2009 7:13 PM PDT]

  • 10.30.2009 7:12 PM PDT

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take the Halo CE pistol and make it a rifle. PERFECT

  • 10.30.2009 7:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Uncle Kulikov
ODST pistol would work fine.

Make it 12 rounds to kill with a headshot.

This allows the BR to still have a purpose in Reach, and make the ODST Magnum a secondary weapon for finishing off targets with headshots.


This is a good idea, but then if we were also to factor in the silenced SMG from ODST (including scope) we'd have a very nice starting weaopn set up:
The SMG would be good for taking down shields at mid to close range and the player could then switch to the Automag to finish targets off at long range due to the 4x zoom.
This would equip players to fight at all ranges, allow effective teamwork off the spawn and still encourage the search for a better weapon.

  • 10.30.2009 7:33 PM PDT
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But the silenced SMG and the M6S was more for the ODST feel. I'd rather not see those exact models in the game if you play as Spartans. But something similar would be good.

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Posted by: Gazas
But the silenced SMG and the M6S was more for the ODST feel. I'd rather not see those exact models in the game if you play as Spartans. But something similar would be good.

Exactly, I think it would be great if the pistol looked identical to the Halo CE pistol, kinda like how the Halo 3 one does, but not as tiny looking in the Spartan's hands.

  • 10.30.2009 9:07 PM PDT
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I would like one with a damage fall of mechanic to restrict it to close to barely in to mid range, but I think the binoculars should be replaced with a zoom like silenced SMG had

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the entire idea of a scoped pistol is, to me, ridiculous. how about the pistol you outlined, but no scope; i mean, in CE i remember picking people off from across BG with that pistol's scope... we should limit it to a mid/short-range weapon, like our pistol now sorta, or maybe like the ODST pistol.

  • 10.30.2009 9:42 PM PDT

The ODST pistol was good. not overpowered like CE but good for headshots.

  • 10.30.2009 9:47 PM PDT

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No I don't. I really think the reason some of you want the pistol back is the same reason some of you want Blood Gulch back. Nostalgia. It has nothing to do with balance or game play. You just want it that way because that's how it was in first Halo.

What I want is for the entire weapon set to be balanced. The only reason I want the BR or a weapon like it that fills that role, is for playlists like big team battle. I will not play on a huge map with out some sort of mid-range weapon. I couldn't imagine playing maps as big as Sandtrap or Valhalla with AR starts. It just doesn't make sense.

  • 10.30.2009 9:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: Agent Peeps
No I don't. I really think the reason some of you want the pistol back is the same reason some of you want Blood Gulch back. Nostalgia. It has nothing to do with balance or game play. You just want it that way because that's how it was in first Halo.

What I want is for the entire weapon set to be balanced. The only reason I want the BR or a weapon like it that fills that role, is for playlists like big team battle. I will not play on a huge map with out some sort of mid-range weapon. I couldn't imagine playing maps as big as Sandtrap or Valhalla with AR starts. It just doesn't make sense.


Haha, I never like Blood Gulch, actually. And I agree that the BR is better suited for larger maps, but on the small to medium maps I'm just suggesting a pistol that would act as a mid range gun to go along with the AR without completely removing the need for a BR like the CE pistol would do.

  • 10.30.2009 9:58 PM PDT

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Yeah sure I guess. I agree with the person above me that the idea of a scoped pistol is silly. I think we can all agree that bungie never intended for the Halo CE pistol to be as godly as it was otherwise it would have been Halo 2,3 and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

  • 10.30.2009 10:05 PM PDT

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Add a scope and increase the rate of fire of H3's magnum and you've got a decent weapon.

  • 10.30.2009 10:06 PM PDT

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