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Subject: Why there should NEVER be Halo 4. Also, all MC theories about Reach...

That last part is of course about the TIME TRAVEL! MC GOES BACK TO REACH? LEGENDARY PLANET = MY DOG'S FRISBEE!! etc. threads that run rampant here.

Before I start, let me just say I'm all up for future Halo games. Spinoffs, new branches of the franchise, different types of Halo games, all that stuff sounds great. But why do I still hear people hoping for more Master Chief games? A Halo 4? Really? Why would you introduce an alien threat that will destroy humanity and have it culminate in a super-climactic finale at the end of an epic trilogy, and then want to staple on another piece at the end about something completely different? That's stupid. Something like that works for Indiana Jones because they're all separate adventures. But what if you took the Lord of the Rings, and added a new movie where Bilbo goes on vacation and Frodo has a party with all the goblins but oh no! Bilbo's coming back sooner than expected and Frodo better get the house cleaned up! That's just ridiculous, and it's stupid. The purposes of those characters have been FULFILLED. GET OVER IT. Master Chief is no different. That's why I have to give Halo 4 a big THUMBS DOWN. To prove my point, we're going to examine him a little bit.

In his ORIGINAL appearance, Master Chief enters the beginning of Halo 1 by climbing out of a cryo chamber. He then proceeds to kick alien ass.

JUMP TO HALO 3

People went bananas trying to predict what would happen to Master Chief! Is he going to die? Is he going to retire and live peacefully? Will he and the Arbiter confess their love and run away together? QUESTIONS!

So Bungie must have thought about this for some time and came to the perfect conclusion.

He can't die, because he's not that type of tragic figure that sacrifices themselves for others. He doesn't have to. He just kicks enough ass that those kinds of sacrifices don't need to be made. He wouldn't just die because we're continually beaten over the head with the fact that above all other things, John's greatest trait is his LUCK. He is LUCKY, so death is not in his future. Even in a situation where he APPEARED to die, he would somehow make it through. Hmmmmmm...

He can't retire. What's the point? He's a soldier bred for war. There's no way a character like that can just go on living a civilian life. Why would he want to? He is, was, and will always be a soldier. He has no desire for such things and such a life would only be misery.

Arby love? Let's not go there.

So Bungie figured out the perfect solution, which made me slap my head when I saw it, realizing that I should have seen it coming far sooner. Master Chief kicked ass (obviously), saved the universe (not surprisingly) and then people thought he was dead (INTERESTING), but in reality was floating in space, surviving so that the little boys with MC boners wouldn't cry about their favourite character being dead. But what do you do with a character in such a unique predicament. You have him exit the same way he entered.

Master Chief makes his grand finale by climbing back into a cryo chamber for a hell of a nap. Why is this perfect?

1. It's POETRY. It brings the character FULL CIRCLE in a way killing or retiring him never could. We don't have to see his face, and he keeps his air of mystery. Master Chief remains one of the greatest videogame heroes ever, by being that guy you can always count on to show up to save the day, only to disappear again. But why should he not be in another sequel?

2. Because the Covenant and the Flood was his threat. He fights them almost all his life, and he commits his act of (seemingly) self-sacrifice to save our butts from the bad guys. Then he makes his full circle exit so that his character arc can END. He has no other purpose. To stuff him into another situation would DESTROY every bit of poetic justice Bungie has woven into his character. Why could you possibly want that?

3. It's not that he's left alive to add another game to the perfect trilogy, it's that he's still around to let us take part in the very core of the Halo 3 marketing campaign. Master Chief is dead as we know it, and we've had our memorial for him. But deep down we know he can't be dead. He's gotta still be out there.

We still BELIEVE.

  • 11.02.2009 12:03 AM PDT

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  • 11.02.2009 2:43 AM PDT

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But people don't like to BELIEVE. They like to KNOW.

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  • 11.02.2009 2:58 AM PDT

Well if you have beaten Halo 3 on Legendary and saw the special ending you would know they left us with a MAJOR cliff hanger, and people were always wondering what it ment. Now with a Halo 4 game coming out, we will know. And your calling a company stupid for continuing the best selling game franchise to date? They are still working on the same story. A hero (Master Cheif) and a computer girl (Cortana) struggle to survive a very powerful enemy, in the end trying to help humanity overcome that which could end them.

I mean, honestly no one could give if you gave it a thumbs down, or said you wouldnt buy it, but alot of Halo fans would just say "Well go get call of duty 20, it will be out then". There will be abunch more games, and if Halo 4 is a success which it most likely will there will be a Halo 5, and if they keep doing good, you could see a halo 20 in 50 years or so.

And to say he has no other purpose is just retarded. As you plainly pointed out, he is a soldier, he was made for war. There are other threats out there, the rebels that are mentioned many times in the Halo Franchise, with cryo sleep they could skip to 5 years from that time where the covenant is back again. He could help finish off covenant troops still around the galaxy. I mean the possibilites are endless.

It seems like your just mad because a great character is getting another game, and you dont know whats going to happen. If you dont want to play another game with master cheif as the star, dont buy it, plain and simple.

[Edited on 11.02.2009 3:28 AM PST]

  • 11.02.2009 3:21 AM PDT

Cortana turns on a beacon, says it will be years before they are found. He will be found, ect ect. Probably leaving the door open for 343 to make games with MC.

  • 11.02.2009 3:22 AM PDT

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If they make Halo 4 whitch i prey they do it will be with Flood and Senitlites because the only covadent was The elites and i think that planet is reach later on and FLood will be on it But hell the cheif should go on

Pac-Man was always running so why shouldn`t The Cheif Stop killing
Hope Bungie reads this
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[Edited on 11.02.2009 3:41 AM PST]

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Posted by: CatWithShotGun07
If they make Halo 4 whitch i prey they do it will be with Flood and Senitlites because the only covadent was The elites and i think that planet is reach later on and FLood will be on it But hell the cheif should go on

Pac-Man was always running so why shouldn`t The Cheif Stop killing
Hope Bungie reads this
:)


All the species (Expect Prophets) of the Covenant are still alive.

It seems the people who played CE back in 2001 all the way to Halo 3 in 2007 want them to leave it as it is. But the people who started with 2 or 3 want it to keep going.

I don't get it. What would Halo 4 be like? Johnson, Miranda and most of humanity is DEAD. Master Chief has Cortana left, and she'll go rampant in a few years so she'll be dead to.

Bungie always ends with cliffhangers because they're smart. If you put it as a Legendary ending only the dedicated Halo fans will see (Besides youtubers) leaving 343 open to continuing the story (Provided they're comftable with destroying a fantastic trilogy)

Halo spinoffs? Sure. New Halo series with a new main character? Go for it. Continuing the current Halo storyline? No.

  • 11.02.2009 3:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: CatWithShotGun07
If they make Halo 4 whitch i prey they do it will be with Flood and Senitlites because the only covadent was The elites and i think that planet is reach later on and FLood will be on it But hell the cheif should go on

Pac-Man was always running so why shouldn`t The Cheif Stop killing
Hope Bungie reads this
:)


All the species (Expect Prophets) of the Covenant are still alive.

It seems the people who played CE back in 2001 all the way to Halo 3 in 2007 want them to leave it as it is. But the people who started with 2 or 3 want it to keep going.

I don't get it. What would Halo 4 be like? Johnson, Miranda and most of humanity is DEAD. Master Chief has Cortana left, and she'll go rampant in a few years so she'll be dead to.

Bungie always ends with cliffhangers because they're smart. If you put it as a Legendary ending only the dedicated Halo fans will see (Besides youtubers) leaving 343 open to continuing the story (Provided they're comftable with destroying a fantastic trilogy)

Halo spinoffs? Sure. New Halo series with a new main character? Go for it. Continuing the current Halo storyline? No.


The Halo 3 Legendary ending has already been called canon. 343 industries will not destroy the franchise because (this is the fun part) 343 is mainly old Bungie employees. Frank o'Connor himself is leading them.

And your statement about people who started with Halo 1 want it to end now is wrong. I started playing when Halo CE came out, and I want them to continue the story because it is a great game that did not leave closure. And most of humanity is NOT dead, there are more colonies besides earth, i believe someone in another thread pointed out Mars, and a few others to be major colonies.

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Posted by: CatWithShotGun07
If they make Halo 4 whitch i prey they do it will be with Flood and Senitlites because the only covadent was The elites and i think that planet is reach later on and FLood will be on it But hell the cheif should go on

Pac-Man was always running so why shouldn`t The Cheif Stop killing
Hope Bungie reads this
:)


All the species (Expect Prophets) of the Covenant are still alive.

It seems the people who played CE back in 2001 all the way to Halo 3 in 2007 want them to leave it as it is. But the people who started with 2 or 3 want it to keep going.

I don't get it. What would Halo 4 be like? Johnson, Miranda and most of humanity is DEAD. Master Chief has Cortana left, and she'll go rampant in a few years so she'll be dead to.

Bungie always ends with cliffhangers because they're smart. If you put it as a Legendary ending only the dedicated Halo fans will see (Besides youtubers) leaving 343 open to continuing the story (Provided they're comftable with destroying a fantastic trilogy)

Halo spinoffs? Sure. New Halo series with a new main character? Go for it. Continuing the current Halo storyline? No.


The Halo 3 Legendary ending has already been called canon. 343 industries will not destroy the franchise because (this is the fun part) 343 is mainly old Bungie employees. Frank o'Connor himself is leading them.

And your statement about people who started with Halo 1 want it to end now is wrong. I started playing when Halo CE came out, and I want them to continue the story because it is a great game that did not leave closure. And most of humanity is NOT dead, there are more colonies besides earth, i believe someone in another thread pointed out Mars, and a few others to be major colonies.


I never said it wasn't canon, it is. I know that about 343, doesn't mean they can't ruin it.

Actually, most of Humanity is dead due to their numbers before the war compared to the end of it.

  • 11.02.2009 4:45 AM PDT

Well since 343 is composed of the people that helped with Halo 1, and since everyone says Halo 1 is better then every other Halo game. I really dont think they can, its possible but since they made one of the most loved games ever, I doubt it.

Do you have proof? Cause if they lost part of earth, harvest, and reach. but still have other major colonies, it would seem that most of humanity is still around.

  • 11.02.2009 4:51 AM PDT

Posted by: TS AGRawr2
Well if you have beaten Halo 3 on Legendary and saw the special ending you would know they left us with a MAJOR cliff hanger, and people were always wondering what it ment. Now with a Halo 4 game coming out, we will know. And your calling a company stupid for continuing the best selling game franchise to date? They are still working on the same story. A hero (Master Cheif) and a computer girl (Cortana) struggle to survive a very powerful enemy, in the end trying to help humanity overcome that which could end them.

I mean, honestly no one could give if you gave it a thumbs down, or said you wouldnt buy it, but alot of Halo fans would just say "Well go get call of duty 20, it will be out then". There will be abunch more games, and if Halo 4 is a success which it most likely will there will be a Halo 5, and if they keep doing good, you could see a halo 20 in 50 years or so.

And to say he has no other purpose is just retarded. As you plainly pointed out, he is a soldier, he was made for war. There are other threats out there, the rebels that are mentioned many times in the Halo Franchise, with cryo sleep they could skip to 5 years from that time where the covenant is back again. He could help finish off covenant troops still around the galaxy. I mean the possibilites are endless.

It seems like your just mad because a great character is getting another game, and you dont know whats going to happen. If you dont want to play another game with master cheif as the star, dont buy it, plain and simple.


Well if you knew what a cliffhanger was, you would know that the Halo 3 Legendary ending hardly counts. Master Chief is on the Ark, which is able to fire ALL Halos, so he kills the head of the Covenant, and blows the whole damn place up killing most of the rest AND all the Flood. The war is over, yay, everyone rejoices! And there's a shot of a planet so you know Master Chief is at least SOMEWHERE. THAT'S what the Legendary ending is.

And I never said Bungie was stupid, and I also never said they shouldn't continue the franchise. I seem to remember stating AT THE BEGINNING that they should continue it.

It's called a character arc. And Chief's is over. That's what happens when you face the greatest threat in the universe and win. You really think REBELS could be his next threat? How about the next Rocky movie has Sylvester Stallone up against an 8th grade girl? That sounds about right. Nevermind that even the IDEA of the Covenant coming back makes most of the things he did in the Halo trilogy pointless. If killing Truth was not completely symbolic of ending the Covenant, what was the point? They would have let him live then.

And I have never said it's a game I wouldn't buy. I said it's a game that shouldn't be made, and I'm trying to get some people to see why. It's hard to do when most of the people that will read this are 12.

  • 11.02.2009 8:38 AM PDT

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If they make Halo 4 whitch i prey they do it will be with Flood and Senitlites because the only covadent was The elites and i think that planet is reach later on and FLood will be on it But hell the cheif should go on

Pac-Man was always running so why shouldn`t The Cheif Stop killing
Hope Bungie reads this
:)
All the species (Expect Prophets) of the Covenant are still alive.

It seems the people who played CE back in 2001 all the way to Halo 3 in 2007 want them to leave it as it is. But the people who started with 2 or 3 want it to keep going.

I don't get it. What would Halo 4 be like? Johnson, Miranda and most of humanity is DEAD. Master Chief has Cortana left, and she'll go rampant in a few years so she'll be dead to.

Bungie always ends with cliffhangers because they're smart. If you put it as a Legendary ending only the dedicated Halo fans will see (Besides youtubers) leaving 343 open to continuing the story (Provided they're comftable with destroying a fantastic trilogy)

Halo spinoffs? Sure. New Halo series with a new main character? Go for it. Continuing the current Halo storyline? No.


Actually, the Prophets are a species called San 'Shyuum. The home world of the San 'Shyuum was destroyed when it's sun went super nova. So, really, there is no telling how many more prophets there could be.

Now as far as Cortana and Chief not being found for years, we have to remember that an A.I. goes Rampant after 7 years. Cortana's time is just about up. So this all leads to something that could be seriously interesting.

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Brent G, I think you're almost dead-on in this area. Thank you!

Personally speaking, I think Cortana has moved beyond the stage of rampancy and become metastable. (Halopedia:Cortana) Working off of that assumption, she could quite easily survive thousands of years and still be in perfect working order by the time they were found, apart from being lonely...

Don't get me wrong: I sincerely hope they produce another game with the Master Chief in it! However, I don't think they will produce a Halo 4, and I'm not sure I want them to. Plus, why call it Halo 4? The Halo's are no longer the issue anymore...

If I were to guess, I think they would produce a game with the MC in it earlier on in his life, maybe working with other Spartans (finally), such as on Reach...

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  • 11.02.2009 10:25 AM PDT

Oh his fate could be explored, sure. But not in a major game. That's how you destroy a trilogy. By trying to stick anything bigger than an epilogue onto the end.

  • 11.02.2009 11:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: CatWithShotGun07
If they make Halo 4 whitch i prey they do it will be with Flood and Senitlites because the only covadent was The elites and i think that planet is reach later on and FLood will be on it But hell the cheif should go on

Pac-Man was always running so why shouldn`t The Cheif Stop killing
Hope Bungie reads this
:)
All the species (Expect Prophets) of the Covenant are still alive.

It seems the people who played CE back in 2001 all the way to Halo 3 in 2007 want them to leave it as it is. But the people who started with 2 or 3 want it to keep going.

I don't get it. What would Halo 4 be like? Johnson, Miranda and most of humanity is DEAD. Master Chief has Cortana left, and she'll go rampant in a few years so she'll be dead to.

Bungie always ends with cliffhangers because they're smart. If you put it as a Legendary ending only the dedicated Halo fans will see (Besides youtubers) leaving 343 open to continuing the story (Provided they're comftable with destroying a fantastic trilogy)

Halo spinoffs? Sure. New Halo series with a new main character? Go for it. Continuing the current Halo storyline? No.


Actually, the Prophets are a species called San 'Shyuum. The home world of the San 'Shyuum was destroyed when it's sun went super nova. So, really, there is no telling how many more prophets there could be.

Now as far as Cortana and Chief not being found for years, we have to remember that an A.I. goes Rampant after 7 years. Cortana's time is just about up. So this all leads to something that could be seriously interesting.



True, but most of the Prophets were on High Charity, and it's gone.

Could be intresting, don't see how it would be anything like the other Halo games though. I'd just rather leave Halo 3 as it is and create something new in the Halo universe.

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True, but most of the Prophets were on High Charity, and it's gone.

Could be intresting, don't see how it would be anything like the other Halo games though. I'd just rather leave Halo 3 as it is and create something new in the Halo universe.


This is very true, but most of the prophets, but not all. High Charity was also built around a Forerunner vessel. Could it be at all possible that this vessel, might have survived the doom of High Charity? Also, The Gravemind was on Installation 5 that survived the events of Halo 2 & 3. If Prophets on High Charity had been infected by the Flood, The Gravemind would have their knowledge making the Flood a much more dangerous foe.

  • 11.02.2009 12:22 PM PDT

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Yes, Master Chief going back into a cryo tube the same way he came out was planned, and it was an awesome ending to Master Chief.

But lets not get to hasty here, the game was left open ended. So there still can be a predecessor to Halo 3 with Master Chief.

Highly unlikely? Yes. Impossible? No.

  • 11.02.2009 12:24 PM PDT

Posted by: TS AGRawr2
Well if you have beaten Halo 3 on Legendary and saw the special ending you would know they left us with a MAJOR cliff hanger, and people were always wondering what it ment. Now with a Halo 4 game coming out, we will know. And your calling a company stupid for continuing the best selling game franchise to date? They are still working on the same story. A hero (Master Cheif) and a computer girl (Cortana) struggle to survive a very powerful enemy, in the end trying to help humanity overcome that which could end them.

I mean, honestly no one could give if you gave it a thumbs down, or said you wouldnt buy it, but alot of Halo fans would just say "Well go get call of duty 20, it will be out then". There will be abunch more games, and if Halo 4 is a success which it most likely will there will be a Halo 5, and if they keep doing good, you could see a halo 20 in 50 years or so.

And to say he has no other purpose is just retarded. As you plainly pointed out, he is a soldier, he was made for war. There are other threats out there, the rebels that are mentioned many times in the Halo Franchise, with cryo sleep they could skip to 5 years from that time where the covenant is back again. He could help finish off covenant troops still around the galaxy. I mean the possibilites are endless.

It seems like your just mad because a great character is getting another game, and you dont know whats going to happen. If you dont want to play another game with master cheif as the star, dont buy it, plain and simple.

  • 11.02.2009 12:27 PM PDT

i'd just like to point this out

a lot of bungies ideas came from the movies Alien and Aliens (and i mean a lot), in both those movies the main character Ripley begins the movie in a cryopod and ends up in one at the end. just like how the chief begins his adventure in one, and ends it in one.

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leaving 343 open to continuing the story (Provided they're comftable with destroying a fantastic trilogy)


yes but what if they come up with an amazing idea to continue it sure they could continue and ruin a fantastic trilogy but what if they manage to turn it into a perfect quadrilogy?
we can't judge it until we see it. all i'm saying is we don't know what 343 has up their sleaves for the halo trilogy so we should let them show us what they can do and if there first game is amazing and it has a good story then i say go for it make halo 4 but only if it will kick ass 1000 times more than the others.
And I played Halo from CE to ODST and my thirst for halo still lingers in my soul i must have more but it must be quality bungie have done perfect so far we should see what 343 can do before we judge their choices over a halo 4

  • 11.02.2009 12:38 PM PDT

First off, the Flood is not gone. There are many Forerunner instillations with lots of flood specimens held there. If HALO Wars can be used as an example the artificial planet housed Flood. So I seriously doubt they are gone from the galaxy.

Secondly, 343 already confirmed that the Chief will return in another game. I hope not a HALO 4. A new title and a new adventure with possible returning enemies (the flood and sentinels) would be fun. I want to feel lost and play against insane odds to win like in HALO: CE.

I really hope that Reach has little to nothing to do with the Chief. What he did was written and is canon. To change that or make him do "extra" things would ruin that established canon.

  • 11.02.2009 12:57 PM PDT

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