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Subject: Remove The -blam!- BR

when i heard they were making ODST all i could think was "awesomeness would ensue!"

I know so many people love the BR and its so called "awesomeness" but I would love to see this MOFO get deleted. im sry bungie but this weapon is the worst weapon in the world, why you might ask, ill tell u why
1)this weapon takes no real skill to use, you just point and click
2)its too -blam!- overpowered, like seriously practically anyone at a good angle could get those 4 shots out and it fires pretty fast to.

so please Bungie, take out the god damn BR.

  • 11.02.2009 11:24 PM PDT

How to spell "space"?

S-P-ACE! SPACE!

Uhh... you make anti-BR people look like d*ckheads.

Although because of the aim assist, it kills too easily, you simplify it too much. There's more to it than "OMG ITZ 2 POWERFULZ".

  • 11.02.2009 11:27 PM PDT

http://i9.tinypic.com/4z3w3eh.jpg ---- lolown.

I'm with you, but Cookie's right. The vast majority of Anti-BR folks are not complete dooshbags.

  • 11.02.2009 11:36 PM PDT

Posted by: Ushan
Because Muslims surgically implant organic bombs in their testicles, which in turn will be injected into women during sex, which will grow into BABY BOMBS!

We should also take out the AR, Shotgun, Rockets, Mauler and every other gun because they're also all powerful and are just "point and shoot" weapons.
I don't think they should remove the BR but at most just nerf it a bit.
Seriously man, don't whine about guns, if you don't like it don't use or if you could just nicely suggest any things that you think would make it less overpowered.

[Edited on 11.02.2009 11:41 PM PST]

  • 11.02.2009 11:39 PM PDT

Is it just me? or am i seeing trends of low ranked Halo 3 players creating these threads?

  • 11.03.2009 12:06 AM PDT

The battle rifle does have it's place in the game. Granted, I'm not a br fanboy but the odst game gave me the opportunity to be able to review my thoughts on the weapon along with the purchase of the halo encyclopedia.

I preferred the original halo 2 br where one shot out of the trio of rounds went outside the cluster of the target reticule. It was not until br starts after the update to the targeting where the shot cluster was brought closer together and br starts were the default that I started to take issue with this weapon.

The battle rifle is essential to the franchise, it balances out and excels at everything which is it's strength. It is the ken/ryu combination that is in halo as the battle rifle/carbine. No matter if you remove it or keep it in there always has been and always will be a divide between the br lovers/haters. If you keep it in, ar/h1 pistol/dual weilding fans are going to be upset. If you take it out the mlg/br lovers will get upset. Bungie once said in an interview that if half the people are upset and half the people are happy, you're probably about the at the right place.

If anything seriously needs to be done, it's that the range and power of the cqb weapons need to be extended and potentially the rate of fire on the br needs to be slowed maybe one or two tenths of a second between shots but this action would be catering it to my own personal playstyle. This is Bungie's game not mine. I'll continue to play their games and enjoy that which is in their games and I'll adjust my playstyle to cater to it.

Ultimately, Bungie will do what they deem is correct to do. Their games are the most tested out of the major companies. They will do what they feel is in the best interest of their games and their gamers. If anything should be foremost on your brain about the battle rifle complaining, you should be grateful that they haven't yet deemed fit to toss in the 55 round br. Freshly listed in the halo encyclopedia as the xbr55, this would be as close as you could get to a modern ak 47 with a dual drum clip. It is listed as and I quote
"A sixty round variant this version was the portotype which was later remodeled to suppress "walking" (found on page 304). With halo reach being prior to the halo games, this would fall right in time with the halo:reach title.

As I was told long ago when it was switched from smg start to br start on halo 2, learn to use the right weapon for the right job. The br is good all around but eventually, it still comes down to the skill of the player. In close quarters, I was able to smash br players with dual smg's in close quarters. Use the strength of the weapon as it is intended. Blindsiding a br player with close quarters weapons with ambush worked in halo, halo 2, and halo 3. If you continue to play to the br's strengths rather than your own you will continue to lose and lose repeatedly.

  • 11.03.2009 12:30 AM PDT


nope actually we have a compelete village idiot who doesn't have a vaild point towards why it should be removed. If it's so easy Why are you a 19 LT grade 2??
If you want the br gone I want an auto headshot sniper, a big mac, a good economy, and see Jesus walk on water. Nuff said
lolz I flamed you

  • 11.03.2009 12:33 AM PDT

Posted by: ashersgcorps
The battle rifle does have it's place in the game. Granted, I'm not a br fanboy but the odst game gave me the opportunity to be able to review my thoughts on the weapon along with the purchase of the halo encyclopedia.

I preferred the original halo 2 br where one shot out of the trio of rounds went outside the cluster of the target reticule. It was not until br starts after the update to the targeting where the shot cluster was brought closer together and br starts were the default that I started to take issue with this weapon.

The battle rifle is essential to the franchise, it balances out and excels at everything which is it's strength. It is the ken/ryu combination that is in halo as the battle rifle/carbine. No matter if you remove it or keep it in there always has been and always will be a divide between the br lovers/haters. If you keep it in, ar/h1 pistol/dual weilding fans are going to be upset. If you take it out the mlg/br lovers will get upset. Bungie once said in an interview that if half the people are upset and half the people are happy, you're probably about the at the right place.

If anything seriously needs to be done, it's that the range and power of the cqb weapons need to be extended and potentially the rate of fire on the br needs to be slowed maybe one or two tenths of a second between shots but this action would be catering it to my own personal playstyle. This is Bungie's game not mine. I'll continue to play their games and enjoy that which is in their games and I'll adjust my playstyle to cater to it.

Ultimately, Bungie will do what they deem is correct to do. Their games are the most tested out of the major companies. They will do what they feel is in the best interest of their games and their gamers. If anything should be foremost on your brain about the battle rifle complaining, you should be grateful that they haven't yet deemed fit to toss in the 55 round br. Freshly listed in the halo encyclopedia as the xbr55, this would be as close as you could get to a modern ak 47 with a dual drum clip. It is listed as and I quote
"A sixty round variant this version was the portotype which was later remodeled to suppress "walking" (found on page 304). With halo reach being prior to the halo games, this would fall right in time with the halo:reach title.

As I was told long ago when it was switched from smg start to br start on halo 2, learn to use the right weapon for the right job. The br is good all around but eventually, it still comes down to the skill of the player. In close quarters, I was able to smash br players with dual smg's in close quarters. Use the strength of the weapon as it is intended. Blindsiding a br player with close quarters weapons with ambush worked in halo, halo 2, and halo 3. If you continue to play to the br's strengths rather than your own you will continue to lose and lose repeatedly.


pwnasauras Rex
I guess this thread is closed

  • 11.03.2009 12:36 AM PDT

Its a trap!!!

Posted by: laughykid123
1)this weapon takes no real skill to use, you just point and click


Really would you care to BR me sometime. I gaurantee you trying to beat me will not be so easy. On the same note I notice various amounts in skill gap when using a BR.

Complaining about power is one thing but saying that it takes no skill is rediculous

Posted by: laughykid123
2)its too -blam!- overpowered, like seriously practically anyone at a good angle could get those 4 shots out and it fires pretty fast to.


Its harder to always 4 shot someone. This is due to XBL always being a problem and properly leading at a distance and calculating the opponents strafe. In MLG they turned the damage up a little to make it more like lan in terms of the BRs effectivness.

It shoots fast you say. An AR shoots real fast. Full auto goodness. The BR pales in comparison

If it shot slow. It wouldn't be fun and it would take 4 ever to kill someone.

In halo 3 there are shields and all the weapons need to kill quickly for their respective ranges and all of them seem to do it niceley.



[Edited on 11.03.2009 12:44 AM PST]

  • 11.03.2009 12:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: laughykid123
I know so many people love the BR and its so called "awesomeness" but I would love to see this MOFO get deleted. im sry bungie but this weapon is the worst weapon in the world, why you might ask, ill tell u why
1)this weapon takes no real skill to use, you just point and click
2)its too -blam!- overpowered, like seriously practically anyone at a good angle could get those 4 shots out and it fires pretty fast to.

so please Bungie, take out the god damn BR.



I checked your stats, your highest percentage of kills for ranked has come from using the BR yourself?

I just reckon your sick of getting pwned by it all the time. Just get better at it and you can hopefully out BR more people.

Remember its only good in certain situations, shotgun beats it short range as sniper beats it any range etc....

  • 11.03.2009 1:30 AM PDT

Finding and honestly deep though on The Flood is like finding an angler fish in the shallows of Lake Dumbass.
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Having sex with a girl on her period is like taping a knife to your -blam!- and repeatedly slamming it into a small defenseless furry land creature. But man its good right? Just make sure you soak yourself in bleach afterwards to get out the blood stains and dead half-born child off the back of your thigh.

Posted by: laughykid123
you just point and click
Same for sniper rifle. Rocket launcher. Plasma pistol. Plasma rifle...... You see where im going with this?

Bungie remove every single weapon from our use and let us run through each level like chickens with their heads cut off.

[Edited on 11.03.2009 1:42 AM PST]

  • 11.03.2009 1:42 AM PDT

bungie has proven that a bunch of monkeys sitting in front of keyboards can randomly type out a masterpiece. the thing is, when you go to play the masterpiece, you cant help but notice all the monkey s**t smeared all over it.

it gets real old having to wait months for someone like mlg to clean off all the monkey poo.

Posted by: laughykid123
1)this weapon takes no real skill to use, you just point and click
2)its too -blam!- overpowered, like seriously practically anyone at a good angle could get those 4 shots out and it fires pretty fast to.

so please Bungie, take out the god damn BR.

if its so easy to use, how come its so easy to get ridiculous killstreaks in btb while running around in the open? shouldnt all the noobs swarming around me 4 shot me constantly?

on the other side, in ars on guardian it doesnt matter how good you are, 2 noobs will hose you down every time.

br already has the longest killtime of any weapon in the game excluding the plasma pistol (and the lazer, if you count the charge time). in addition, you have to work for your kill by actually aiming the gun. if you cant aim, go play gears or cod. dont complain about the one gun in halo that lets good players crap on bad ones.

  • 11.03.2009 2:20 AM PDT
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I know the BR takes no skill. They need to either remove it or fully rework it and take the auto aim / magnetism WAY down. That's why I loved Halo 1. It too a LOT of skill to play. The Pistol in Halo 1 was a great weapon, yes, but it took a LOT of skill, and made for a fair fight.

  • 11.03.2009 2:44 AM PDT

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I disagree completely. Not just because I think the BR has a place in halo but mostly because your argument isn't strong. You offer no real compelling rational as to why it should be removed other that your apparent distaste for the weapon. In short your argument comes down to "I DUN LIEK IT ITZ R TEH OVURPOWERDZORZ!!11"

ALL the weapons are are just "point and click" If you don't aim a weapon how else are you supposed to use it?

I'm very sick of this "it only takes four shots to kill" with it. By that reasoning the rockets must be SUPREMELY overpower no? One shot and you could easily get double or triple kill no? Or the laser? Or shotgun for that matter?

In the default settings for halo you are less likely to get a "true" four shot kill than MLG settings. Let me repeat that then I'll explain myself. In the default settings for halo you are less likely to get a "true" four shot kill than MLG settings. Key phrase here: "LESS likely". There are multiple factors that will lead you to not getting a four shot kill with the BR using default settings.

The BR spread: We all know that each bullet burst has a spread, the first being the most accurate and the second and third having decreasing accuracy. In short each bullet from every burst must land to do damage.

Individual aiming skill: Hand eye coordination, steady fingers, your strafe vs their strafe, distance to target, jumping, in game distractions etc. All of these variables have an effect on the BR spread.

Latency: Are you lagging? Is your opponent? Are they eating your bullets? Bullet refunding.

In this thread There is an even better explanation (and in my opinion debunking) of the four shot theory.

Do I think the BR should be removed for reach? No I don't. I think that would seriously and drastically change how BTB is played and not for the betterment. I can't imagine playing a map the size of Sandtrap or Valhalla without an effective mid-ranged weapon.

If bungie does decide to go without the BR I hope they replace it with an equivalent mid-ranged weapon. Preferably a semi-auto rifle, NOT a side-arm. I pistol should never be a mid-ranged-do-it-all-weapon. As godly and enjoyable the pistol in Halo CE was I think it's laughable it was that freaking powerful.

  • 11.03.2009 5:45 AM PDT

THE BR IS WHAT MAKES HALO 2 / 3 so good

  • 11.03.2009 5:48 AM PDT

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I wouldn't mind it in MM if they made a few changes

Make the clip size 24: I hate it that the gun NEVER has to reload, you could kill an entire Big Team team...TWICE with it.

either that or: Make it fire single shot but make it still able to four shot, basicly it would take more skill to hit someone with it.


and finnaly weaken it so it would take 6 headshots to kill


Oh and changing it so it doesn't zoom out a sniper when its shot would help a lot too

[Edited on 11.03.2009 5:57 AM PST]

  • 11.03.2009 5:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: AquaBlader
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Posted by: Gottalovec4
Oh and changing it so it doesn't zoom out a sniper when its shot would help a lot too
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  • 11.03.2009 5:58 AM PDT

Posted by: Gottalovec4
I wouldn't mind it in MM if they made a few changes

Make the clip size 24: I hate it that the gun NEVER has to reload, you could kill an entire Big Team team...TWICE with it.

either that or: Make it fire single shot but make it still able to four shot, basicly it would take more skill to hit someone with it.


and finnaly weaken it so it would take 6 headshots to kill


Oh and changing it so it doesn't zoom out a sniper when its shot would help a lot too



it will take less skill because with the br in h2/3 you don't always hit them with all bullets sometimes 2 or even 1

  • 11.03.2009 5:59 AM PDT