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Subject: Cheating in Halo(PC)
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Poll: Which one you play Halo or HaloCE?  [closed]
HaloCE:  49%
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Halo:  51%
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Total Votes: 37

Theres come lot of discussing about cheats in HaloCE, exmaple Clanbase's irc channel.
Many of the clans have accused of cheating and i know at least one cheat that u can use in HaloCE. Also theres lot of discussion about HaloCE future, so is Bungie going to do anythng about this?, i know that HaloCE is Gearbox creation. I personaly only play HaloCE. But there is also been discussion about the ration of Halo and HaloCE, so im asking how is going to be, is Bungie going to get some kind of anti-cheat program in Halo or HaloCE or is this tirely up to Gearbox? So im asking here is there going to be anti-cheat program and what is the future of HaloPC?? And when Bungie or Gearbox going to make gamepachts or is this hopless situationg??
I hope so great as Halo is that it isnt slowly dying game :(
I also know the problem about players in HaloCE, but those players who are playing HaloCE will be losed if there arent coming any solution in this cheating problem.


[Edited on 7/26/2004 10:31:38 AM]

  • 07.26.2004 10:26 AM PDT
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???

[Edited on 7/26/2004 10:34:14 AM]

  • 07.26.2004 10:33 AM PDT
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Anti-Cheating Program? You mean like Punkbuster?

  • 07.26.2004 12:45 PM PDT
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ok, theres no cheating. There are glitches you can use (like getting through certain walls on some map, or shooting through some corners without the enemy seeing you) but there are no hacks or h4x0rs. Another reason why someone may think of cheating is lag and vehicle warpage, which occurs sometimes.

Edit: Well, theres another thing I forgot to mention, you can also change around the bitmaps a little bit (like make invisible walls, or add a some to certain weapons) but It's pretty pointless in PC, and its not possible in CE.

[Edited on 7/26/2004 12:58:11 PM]

  • 07.26.2004 12:55 PM PDT
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oh believe me there's cheats. One cheat is unllimited ammo and no overheating with fuel rod gun. It was at ice fields and a red dude was defending his base with about 3 minutes of constant fuel rodding. So yes, there are definetly cheats.

  • 07.26.2004 1:02 PM PDT
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no, theres not. But, if the host has modded his map, you can put things like that in by using tools such as the HMT, its simply a mod the host has... not a cheat

  • 07.26.2004 1:06 PM PDT
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YES, there are cheats in HaloCE, i have video and link to prove that, but it's another thing to admit that there are cheat in public topic. I don't want to peoplo to start cheating, i just want to growe the HaloCE community. And yes, something like Punkbuster.
And 3rd thing this topic isn't discussion about cheats this is what Bungie or Gearbox is going to do to solve it and get people to HaloCE.

[Edited on 7/26/2004 1:36:03 PM]

  • 07.26.2004 1:31 PM PDT
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ok, let me see this video, then if it doesnt fall under one of the topics above, i'll believe you

  • 07.26.2004 4:16 PM PDT
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I didn't believe them either, until I saw this crap (note the link to a video). However, I don't think cheating has reached such a point that either Bungie or Gearbox needs to step in. I still haven't witnessed any suspicious behavior myself. *shrugs* The video that is linked to on that page is actually kinda amusing to watch with the music that guy picked out, LOL. :)

  • 07.26.2004 5:31 PM PDT

I've given up trying to explain this. People just don't understand the difference between Halo's architecture and a normal architecture.

  • 07.26.2004 5:44 PM PDT
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Like the music :)
(is that from cowboy bebop?)

Sorry, it is still my believe that this goes under mod, not hack.
A few reasons why I think that:
a) It wasn't just one person who could do it, I saw 4 different people doing it, plus someone recommended that it should be slower (hence the running--(mod) )
b) He mentioned you couldn't hump, meaning you press control to run like they were.
c) that video has no evidence of hacking, just modding

[Edited on 7/26/2004 5:52:03 PM]

  • 07.26.2004 5:46 PM PDT
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AeroDregon,

Your evidence is actually something I have completely overlooked. I never paid that much attention to what was being typed ingame. That conclusion actually goes along with my stated sentiment above: I haven't personally seen any evidence of cheating in any game I've ever played. So that makes me feel a lot better. ^^;

Thanks for clearing that up.

  • 07.26.2004 6:54 PM PDT
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Well, that sort of is cheating, and sort of not. I mentioned that you can do that before (just changing the bitmaps file. We are talking down the lines of cheating bots, or hacks (Which I believe don't exist)

  • 07.27.2004 5:15 AM PDT
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OK, there are cheats in Halo and im now talking about CE, because i dont play anymore the normal version of Halo, if u don't believe me watch this (click the xiitsux video, if u want to know what that other one is, it's weird 'bug', we were playing with my clanmember and that hog just started to drive by him self oO) and if dont believe me after that u can ask about it in the Clanbase's irc channel, and i even can give you a link where you can get those cheats, but i dont want to do that., because as i mentioned this topic isnt about cheats, this topic purpose is to ask what Bungie or Gearbox are going to do stop them, like when is the next gamepachts coming and does it include anti-cheat program and is that gamepachts coming in Halo or HaloCE.
(Sorry, about my english it isn't my navite language)

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  • 07.27.2004 6:15 AM PDT

I really can't see what's meant to have happened there - there were other people there already. But there are no cheats (or cheats in the sense of unlimited ammo, teleport anywhere, unlimited shield etc.) because of the server-side architecture, unless you're the server and you're running a hacked map.

  • 07.27.2004 7:20 AM PDT
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"But there are no cheats (or cheats in the sense of unlimited ammo, teleport anywhere, unlimited shield etc.) "

Nice that we have brave enough people here to define the word CHEAT to a few simple examples... But it's sooooo wrong perspective to things.

There is a speedhack which works in public servers too!!. The hack does make the WHOLE game move faster / slower, but it it course affects only the player itself (unless the server is ping 0 and hosted with speedhack". Previously, I didn't believe it until I tested it.

I know that it is impossible to mod maps in Halo PC so that a player moves faster in public servers.... The result is back and forth warping. But the speedhack (which works in a lot of other games too) affects to the whole game speed, not the player itself.

There is also a hack which allows people to see thru walls (wireframe), it removes fog / makes walls look white etc.

Something oughta be done to prevent the use of these hacks.

  • 07.27.2004 7:52 AM PDT

Preventing modded maps would require a hash check. Speed hacks won't work unless they're applied to the server. If you don't believe me then either ask this on the Gearbox forums or search for the thread on this board where I explained why.

  • 07.27.2004 8:41 AM PDT
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goweb- gimme you irc and i give you the download link to the hax and you can test them by yourself - 'coz it seems to be the only way to convince you

  • 07.27.2004 9:39 AM PDT

You're testing them as a server. They won't work as a client. They'll appear to work but won't actually be doing anything on the server.

  • 07.27.2004 12:49 PM PDT
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goweb don't deniad cheats/hax, there are cheats/hax, i know that and i also can give you a link to prove it, but this topic isn't going nowhere. THERE ARE CHEATS/HAX, the question is what Bungie or Gearbox is going to do, to solve it. And those hax/cheats im talking about will work in public servers just fine(waprs like ****, but works)(like client). And if u don't believe just ask the Clanbase's Halo community. If you dont still believe me, i will contact your msn address and you can test those cheats/hax by you selve in public server as client. LIKE I SAID ,i dont want to people to get intressting in cheats/hax, i want people to against them and i want that this problem will some how to be solved. It's a lot to ask but it's a problem that have to be solved.

  • 07.27.2004 1:19 PM PDT
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Send it to me on AIM, ill test, and tell my findings here...
AIM name: AeroDregon (im on now)

  • 07.27.2004 2:03 PM PDT
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NO, like i said i dont wanna people to get intressted in cheats/hax, and i definetly NOT going to send links to people where they can download them, so only person who is going to know that link is goweb, if he wants to know.(like i have said it 1000times)This topic goals is to get people in HaloCE and think how this kind of problem should solve and what Bungie or Gearbox is going to do.

  • 07.27.2004 2:46 PM PDT

Now I'm going to have to explain server-side architecture AGAIN:

The game of Halo isn't played on the client. The entire game is played on the server. The client is simply viewing a simulation of this game (hence all the warping, a common cause of these so-called "cheats"). The only interaction the client has is to tell the server which buttons the player has pressed. The rest of the game, such as ammo count and location, is controlled by the server. Thus most cheats are rendered useless, since the server controls everything.
However, it also means that any hacks present on the server will affect the game for all players. It also doesn't protect against ALL cheats (the only types I can think of are the invisible wall cheat, since this isn't controlled by the server and any possible aimbots, although warping renders all present aimbots useless). Map hacks can be detected by a hash check, but this will impact on initial load time.

And if you doubt this then you obviously don't understand the basic concept of Halo's networking architecture. I suggest that you Google it or ask around the Gearbox forum.

  • 07.27.2004 4:53 PM PDT
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Thank you goweb....

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Theres come lot of discussing about cheats in HaloCE, exmaple Clanbase's irc channel.
Many of the clans have accused of cheating and i know at least one cheat that u can use in HaloCE. Also theres lot of discussion about HaloCE future, so is Bungie going to do anythng about this?, i know that HaloCE is Gearbox creation. I personaly only play HaloCE. But there is also been discussion about the ration of Halo and HaloCE, so im asking how is going to be, is Bungie going to get some kind of anti-cheat program in Halo or HaloCE or is this tirely up to Gearbox? So im asking here is there going to be anti-cheat program and what is the future of HaloPC?? And when Bungie or Gearbox going to make gamepachts or is this hopless situationg??
I hope so great as Halo is that it isnt slowly dying game :(
I also know the problem about players in HaloCE, but those players who are playing HaloCE will be losed if there arent coming any solution in this cheating problem.


Releasing patches and stuff for the Halo PC community is up to Gearbox to make. There most likely will not be any for CE, since there is no demand for it (too few players), and I have not heard of one for PC, there won't be one most likely. As for as the cheats go, evidence in this topic sugests that there are no hacks, besides server-side ones, and modding bitmaps... There probably won't be any patches to fix that, as goweb said that a hash-check would kill load times. (and we probably won't be getting anymore patches)

  • 07.27.2004 5:05 PM PDT

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