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Subject: In defense of the Skill Gap

Its a trap!!!

Ok there are hundreds of threads on the same subject so I was like what the heck I may as well do one myself.

I guess I wanted to feel special

But here I come in defense of the BR. I never realized that so much of the community hated it. I've been playing MM and all 99 people on my list love the weapon. Most of my friends are of course very skilled Ranging usually from 45-50 skill rank

I do have a small portion of my friends who arent very good but they also like the weapon.

--Better strategies will arise--(you must be joking)

Take away the BR I hear will make the game more strategic.

So team shooting is less strategic then camping? More people will camp if they had all assault rifle like weapons. The AR is known to be used best in ambushes. The game will be brought to a slower pace. Halo instead of having the option to hide will force more people to play in that fasion. The sniper will become more dominant since it will have very little to fear.

I even experience this a lot if I play a team who doesnt seem to want to use BR. I start picking them off and they start camping. They dont want to get sniped. Or instead they see red like a bull and keep trying to charge me and since they have difiulty knocking my aim off with a AR i still snipe them before they even get close to me

--The Nub Weapon-- (ROFL)

I hear many people who say its a nub weapon. I find that the most hilarious untrue statement on all these forums. So many people suck at using the gun. I have easily out BRed many. So to say anyone can shoot and be good at it is a lie

I have said it many times I am a big advocate of the CE Pistol. It takes even more skill then the BR. But lets face it compare it to all the other full auto weapons, shotgun, mauler, rockets it takes much more skill then them.

I can easily make argument for almost any weapon and say how n00b like it is to use them.

--My Apologies Before Hand--

I hate to bring rank into the equation. Since people are very touchy feely so I will apologize before hand if I hurt anyones feelings. But just about everyone who says "down with the BR" are usually luetenants through colonels.

I can't say this applies to everyone since some people might feel legit about actual reasons that they dislike the BR. But I think most people hate it because when they try to use it vs good people and teams they get totaly overwhelmed.

I have yet to see a legitamte 50 say down with the BR and no I am not talking to anyone who was a colonel or commander but somehow earned one in living dead. I hear many 50s say replace BR with pistol or just bring back the CE pistol.


-- Down with the Skill Gap--

I think this theme should replace the all the topics such as

Please no BR in Reach or Down with the BR.

"It should be no skill gap in reach "

Besides down with the BR I have heard other skill gap removing comments from people such as

Remove the Laser- Oh no here comes the whambulance.."Omg I can't do a 2 man show with the warthog and just pwn everyone with the chain gun and get 30 kills. It doesnt matter how well my other 2 teamates do I just want to shoot the big chain gun and beat everyone"

Ok newb control the stupid laser and use team work first before you get into the r a p e machine. Why should you be awarded if you cant do something so simple. And even though you can do something skillfull with nades and powerdrain its still a much greater of an advantage to be in a Hog. You got soo much armor and are much more protected and mobile then a ground soldier

Equipment- Suprisingly very few ever complain about them. I know I heard some pro BR people say it. They like to call the BR a nub weapon but obviously equipment are more broken and frustrating. It takes no skill to press X and make the whole other team one shot. Or to press X and intantly regenerate your shields and kill the guy who was outshooting you. It takes no skill to ignore basic cover and press X to pull out the get out of jail free bubble card. And then pull out shotgun or wait for sticky oportunities.

When you think about these 3 equipment take away from teamwork and promote people to ignore good strategy and replace them with cheap tactics

AR Improvements- Make a larger clip (ok maybe), Give it a scope (no) Make it capable of scoring headshots (lol no)

Yeah it would be real skillful and challenging to aim at someones body or arm and a stray AR bullets scores a headshot. I am sure earning them that way would be so satisfying. The term "Spray and Pray" would really hold true

Remove Flag Running- Thank god most of the community was against this at least. But those same people say remove the BR because it sucksorz! It would be real cool to freeze after you drop the flag <-- lol yes sarcasm!

No more No Scopes and quick scopes-

People say to make the sniper absolutly ineffective in CQC. Wow talk about taking away fun and skill. It actually takes a good ammount of skill to be consistant with the sniper in CQC.

If the sniper is powerful enough to rip through the shields of a spartan and headshot him all at once... why should it be different up close. It isnt exactly easy.

I am sorry if you had a grin watching the red dot flicker near your hiding space. I bet you had goosebumps when you though you would shotgun the crap out of him... But instead he no scoped you in the face and teabaged you."

But that is some of the moments people love to save in their saved films. It is plays like that that make the game fun and yes skilled

  • 11.04.2009 11:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Madara Umezawa

-- Down with the Skill Gap--

I think this theme should replace the all the topics such as

Please no BR in Reach or Down with the BR.

"It should be no skill gap in reach "

Besides down with the BR I have heard other skill gap removing comments from people such as

Remove the Laser- Oh no here comes the whambulance.."Omg I can't do a 2 man show with the warthog and just pwn everyone with the chain gun and get 30 kills. It doesnt matter how well my other 2 teamates do I just want to shoot the big chain gun and beat everyone"

AR Improvements- Make a larger clip (ok maybe), Give it a scope (no) Make it capable of scoring headshots (lol no)

Yeah it would be real skillful and challenging to aim at someones body or arm and a stray AR bullets scores a headshot. I am sure earning them that way would be so satisfying. The term "Spray and Pray" would really hold true

No more No Scopes and quick scopes-

People say to make the sniper absolutly ineffective in CQC. Wow talk about taking away fun and skill. It actually takes a good ammount of skill to be consistant with the sniper in CQC.

If the sniper is powerful enough to rip through the shields of a spartan and headshot him all at once... why should it be different up close. It isnt exactly easy.

I am sorry if you had a grin watching the red dot flicker near your hiding space. I bet you had goosebumps when you though you would shotgun the crap out of him... But instead he no scoped you in the face and teabaged you."

But that is some of the moments people love to save in their saved films. It is plays like that that make the game fun and yes skilled


Remove the Laser-[/b

I agree with you on that, why wouldn't you want it the arsenal, as far as balance goes it's shoulder fire hydoken cannon who cares. and in MM it's placed in vulnerable ares and there is normaly 1 on a map.

[b]AR Improvements-

A bigger mag would emphasize spay and pray

a scope, would work make more functional at longer ranges, well it worked the silence SMG.

"Head shot" I would personally like for all weapon but i see how it would make game play a little more luck dependent. but i could normally get head shots with the AR at mid
range.

No more No Scopes and quick scopes-
I agree and BTW i don't think any weapons should be cumbersome in CQC when whiled by a spartan who can leap 7 feet for a melee.


I don't have a problem with the BR in game play, I just have a problem with is ass backwards design, but it dose not bother anyone, and it beraly bothers me


the weapon i use most often is the AR, simply because is my favorite weapon in the halo universe. but even with the AR in halo 3 I play very aggressively


[Edited on 11.04.2009 11:40 PM PST]

  • 11.04.2009 11:32 PM PDT

bungie has proven that a bunch of monkeys sitting in front of keyboards can randomly type out a masterpiece. the thing is, when you go to play the masterpiece, you cant help but notice all the monkey s**t smeared all over it.

it gets real old having to wait months for someone like mlg to clean off all the monkey poo.

Posted by: Madara Umezawa
Ok there are hundreds of threads on the same subject so I was like what the heck I may as well do one myself.

I guess I wanted to feel special

But here I come in defense of the BR. I never realized that so much of the community hated it. I've been playing MM and all 99 people on my list love the weapon. Most of my friends are of course very skilled Ranging usually from 45-50 skill rank

I do have a small portion of my friends who arent very good but they also like the weapon.

--Better strategies will arise--(you must be joking)

Take away the BR I hear will make the game more strategic.

So team shooting is less strategic then camping? More people will camp if they had all assault rifle like weapons. The AR is known to be used best in ambushes. The game will be brought to a slower pace. Halo instead of having the option to hide will force more people to play in that fasion. The sniper will become more dominant since it will have very little to fear.

I even experience this a lot if I play a team who doesnt seem to want to use BR. I start picking them off and they start camping. They dont want to get sniped. Or instead they see red like a bull and keep trying to charge me and since they have difiulty knocking my aim off with a AR i still snipe them before they even get close to me

--The Nub Weapon-- (ROFL)

I hear many people who say its a nub weapon. I find that the most hilarious untrue statement on all these forums. So many people suck at using the gun. I have easily out BRed many. So to say anyone can shoot and be good at it is a lie

I have said it many times I am a big advocate of the CE Pistol. It takes even more skill then the BR. But lets face it compare it to all the other full auto weapons, shotgun, mauler, rockets it takes much more skill then them.

I can easily make argument for almost any weapon and say how n00b like it is to use them.

--My Apologies Before Hand--

I hate to bring rank into the equation. Since people are very touchy feely so I will apologize before hand if I hurt anyones feelings. But just about everyone who says "down with the BR" are usually luetenants through colonels.

I can't say this applies to everyone since some people might feel legit about actual reasons that they dislike the BR. But I think most people hate it because when they try to use it vs good people and teams they get totaly overwhelmed.

I have yet to see a legitamte 50 say down with the BR and no I am not talking to anyone who was a colonel or commander but somehow earned one in living dead. I hear many 50s say replace BR with pistol or just bring back the CE pistol.


-- Down with the Skill Gap--

I think this theme should replace the all the topics such as

Please no BR in Reach or Down with the BR.

"It should be no skill gap in reach "

Besides down with the BR I have heard other skill gap removing comments from people such as

Remove the Laser- Oh no here comes the whambulance.."Omg I can't do a 2 man show with the warthog and just pwn everyone with the chain gun and get 30 kills. It doesnt matter how well my other 2 teamates do I just want to shoot the big chain gun and beat everyone"

Ok newb control the stupid laser and use team work first before you get into the r a p e machine. Why should you be awarded if you cant do something so simple. And even though you can do something skillfull with nades and powerdrain its still a much greater of an advantage to be in a Hog. You got soo much armor and are much more protected and mobile then a ground soldier

Equipment- Suprisingly very few ever complain about them. I know I heard some pro BR people say it. They like to call the BR a nub weapon but obviously equipment are more broken and frustrating. It takes no skill to press X and make the whole other team one shot. Or to press X and intantly regenerate your shields and kill the guy who was outshooting you. It takes no skill to ignore basic cover and press X to pull out the get out of jail free bubble card. And then pull out shotgun or wait for sticky oportunities.

When you think about these 3 equipment take away from teamwork and promote people to ignore good strategy and replace them with cheap tactics

AR Improvements- Make a larger clip (ok maybe), Give it a scope (no) Make it capable of scoring headshots (lol no)

Yeah it would be real skillful and challenging to aim at someones body or arm and a stray AR bullets scores a headshot. I am sure earning them that way would be so satisfying. The term "Spray and Pray" would really hold true

Remove Flag Running- Thank god most of the community was against this at least. But those same people say remove the BR because it sucksorz! It would be real cool to freeze after you drop the flag <-- lol yes sarcasm!

No more No Scopes and quick scopes-

People say to make the sniper absolutly ineffective in CQC. Wow talk about taking away fun and skill. It actually takes a good ammount of skill to be consistant with the sniper in CQC.

If the sniper is powerful enough to rip through the shields of a spartan and headshot him all at once... why should it be different up close. It isnt exactly easy.

I am sorry if you had a grin watching the red dot flicker near your hiding space. I bet you had goosebumps when you though you would shotgun the crap out of him... But instead he no scoped you in the face and teabaged you."

But that is some of the moments people love to save in their saved films. It is plays like that that make the game fun and yes skilled

i like you.

  • 11.04.2009 11:37 PM PDT

Its a trap!!!

well Czar_CJ_Elm even though I dont agree with you entirley at least I can respect your arguments

I agree that the BR isnt perfect. I wouldnt call it assbackwards but..


If a 4 shot pistol with a scope was in the game along side a BR I would pick that up over a BR. I think that would be a better designed weapon

  • 11.04.2009 11:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: Madara Umezawa
well Czar_CJ_Elm even though I dont agree with you entirley at least I can respect your arguments

I agree that the BR isnt perfect. I wouldnt call it assbackwards but..


If a 4 shot pistol with a scope was in the game along side a BR I would pick that up over a BR. I think that would be a better designed weapon


I'm just over-observant. literally the first thing said when i saw the BR and sniper was "the Breach is on the wrong side" and then later i realized the bolt is located in such a way that the weapon can not cycle. but like I said the only it bothers is me do why mess with it.

the fact that there is a pistol with a scope not so far fetched in halos case. the idea that a pistol would become more effective and versatile in the future is acceptable, but weapons getting worse as technology progresses annoys me. but once again that just me.

  • 11.04.2009 11:58 PM PDT

Its a trap!!!

if you havent seen this thread all ready its hilarious

tech getting worse over time

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=37402427

  • 11.05.2009 12:02 AM PDT

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  • 11.05.2009 12:06 AM PDT