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Subject: The Lack of Deadly Plasma Weapons

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I don't have much time so I'll condense this OP.


Remember the old Halo:Combat Evolved Plasma Rifle, when it was actually deadly? It wasn't called a Plasma Rifle for nothing, now was it?

Look at the Plasma 'Rifle' of Halo 3. You can't kill anyone without it overheating. It's no longer a rifle, a deadly weapon, its a paintball gun. I'd like to see the Halo:CE Plasma rifle make a return, along with it's lethality and I hope its actually a "Rifle" this time, instead of a paintball gun.

  • 11.05.2009 3:43 AM PDT

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Same with the Plasma Pistol. The overcharge used to be so deadly, even against unshielded targets. Now all I think it does is tickle the enemy.

  • 11.05.2009 3:48 AM PDT

You would think that super heated plasma that can shread through unshielded spartan armor would be deadly....guess not D:

  • 11.05.2009 3:50 AM PDT

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But still, the best covenant weapon is the needler.

Also, the brute plasma rifle is ossim.

  • 11.05.2009 4:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: Nic C warrior
But still, the best covenant weapon is the needler.

Also, the brute plasma rifle is ossim.


Sharp exploding objects or Plasma.

Its kind of common sense, I'll take Plasma to a flying knife anyday, but apparently Plasma has almost no effect whatsoever.

  • 11.05.2009 4:31 AM PDT
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I agree, the Plasma Rifle needs to be a Rifle again. And also the Plasma Pistol.

  • 11.05.2009 4:46 AM PDT
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Hopefully Bungie will remove dual-wielding in Halo: Reach like they did with Halo 3: ODST and then they return the good old Halo 1 Plasma Rifle and Pistol.
Dual-wielding is the reason why Plasma Rifle and Pistol is a joke in Halo 2 and 3.

  • 11.05.2009 4:51 AM PDT

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They should fire like "direct enerhy weapons". Not like frickin hose pipes spraying all over the place.

  • 11.05.2009 4:59 AM PDT
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Me too, now those weapons were good as they were in Halo 3 for gameplay reasons, human weapons were great for flesh and plasma took out shields pretty quick. So the weapon is still a great one, only that it's not effective against unshielded enemies, so this is mostly up to the gameplay style of Halo: Reach.

  • 11.05.2009 5:11 AM PDT

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Great, more things to get killed with,,,

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  • 11.05.2009 5:37 AM PDT

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Plasma = shield failure

Bullets = Health Destruction

SMG+Plasma Rifle = Uber Death.

Just use them in tandem.

  • 11.05.2009 6:13 AM PDT

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No matter what is done i would rather have the human weapons more deadly when ALIEN. The reasons the plasma pistol was changed was the noob combo. The other thing is the Plasma rifle is to take shields down and beat down

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The spiker, and Plasma weapons and already have a Big draw back.

there low projectile velocity makes them dodgeable past 20m. and I liked that in halo CE the trade off for picking up a plasma rifle was damage Over muzzle velocity.

so I would like the Covenant weapons to be powerful against shields and armor. they are an advanced alien race the should be armed like one.

  • 11.05.2009 7:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Nic C warrior
But still, the best covenant weapon is the needler.

Also, the brute plasma rifle is ossim.


Sharp exploding objects or Plasma.

Its kind of common sense, I'll take Plasma to a flying knife anyday, but apparently Plasma has almost no effect whatsoever.


Plasma can be quite cold actually. Just apply sufficient voltage to a gas an bam, plasma.

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Posted by: EldritchWarlord
Plasma can be quite cold actually. Just apply sufficient voltage to a gas an bam, plasma.


yes you would but why would you shoot a cooled contained ball of gas at someone. wouldn't it make more sense to make an arc welder you could shoot people with.

and why do plasma weapons overheat then.

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The plasma rifle as-is in Halo 3 is a relativly good gun, just that solo it cannot kill at any rate. Dual-weilding solves this by opening your second hand to other weapons, such as another plasma rifle or SMG. Dual Plasma rifles are actually quite effective at killing an opponent.

  • 11.05.2009 7:45 AM PDT

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Well Halo3 version has tactical uses.

Sure it was great in Halo1 but we already have so many new killing machines I don't see the point of changing it again

I'd like to have a set of tool weapons that aren't as useful killing machines, dual wielding is great for that. Plasma slows people down, plasma bolt stops vehicles, spikes do lasting damage, needler melee can blow up people, swords allow you to hit faster... While we have SMG and Magnum that do direct damage

  • 11.05.2009 7:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: EldritchWarlord
Plasma can be quite cold actually. Just apply sufficient voltage to a gas an bam, plasma.


yes you would but why would you shoot a cooled contained ball of gas at someone. wouldn't it make more sense to make an arc welder you could shoot people with.

and why do plasma weapons overheat then.


I was just saying that plasma isn't necessarily deadly. Also, Covenant hand-held plasma weapons fire small amounts of hot plasma formed into a coherent bolt by a projected magnetic field.

These small bolts would do nasty burns to exposed skin but would be relatively ineffective against metal armor. It would have to heat the armor to cause damage underneath and some metals can absorb titanic amounts of energy with little heat.

[Edited on 11.05.2009 7:56 AM PST]

  • 11.05.2009 7:55 AM PDT

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The plasma rifle from Halo CE was great, then they downgraded it for Halo 2, but, you could duel wield, plus with having the Brute Plasma Rifle, made duel wielding incredibly usefull on Turf (H2) but Halo 3 is more for a closequater weapon to finish with a melee then anything else, i hope they bring the Plasma Rifle back to Halo 2 form, for me, it was perfect then

  • 11.05.2009 8:05 AM PDT
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  • 11.05.2009 8:16 AM PDT

Posted by: Czar_CJ_Elm
The spiker, and Plasma weapons and already have a Big draw back.

there low projectile velocity makes them dodgeable past 20m. and I liked that in halo CE the trade off for picking up a plasma rifle was damage Over muzzle velocity.

so I would like the Covenant weapons to be powerful against shields and armor. they are an advanced alien race the should be armed like one.


I agree with this. The Plasma weapons are easy to dodge at range, so they should be able to do at least decent damage to unshielded targets.

  • 11.05.2009 8:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: baccardinals
No matter what is done i would rather have the human weapons more deadly when ALIEN. The reasons the plasma pistol was changed was the noob combo. The other thing is the Plasma rifle is to take shields down and beat down


But human weapons being superior to alien weapons makes no sense, especially when the aliens are supposed to have better tech. If they wanted to improve the pp without giving it the ability to noob combo, they could just increase the normal shot damage, and prevent you from switching your weapon out when you fire an overcharge, that way you can't do the noob combo, but it still benefits the team. And if your supposed to shoot, then melee, what's the point of even making it a gun in the first place? I would rather have plasma weapons be deadly

[Edited on 11.05.2009 11:13 AM PST]

  • 11.05.2009 11:13 AM PDT

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I remember on Legendary Elites with Plasma Rifles were capable of killing me in 4 shots... good times...

Anyway, in Halo CE, the Plasma Rifle drained shields in 3 shots, and killed in either 12 body shots, or 6 headshots. Killing in anywhere between 9 and 15 shots. In Halo 2 it was reduced to an 18 shot kill no matter what, 5 for shields, 13 for helth. and in Halo 3 it remained the same, unless you are dual wielding, then it becomes a 20 shot kill.

[Edited on 11.05.2009 11:35 AM PST]

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