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Subject: Halo Reach Trailer Flaw

Winning or losing doesn't really matter much to me. I play for fun, and nothing you can say will change that. Sure, I have a low K/D, sure, I have a low rank in Halo 3, but I really don't care. It's not like it actually means anything. It's a number. And for the record, opinion and fact are two completely different things.

Didn't waste the time reading through the 4 pages, so I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but anyone who read the books should know that they recieved their numbers when they were selected as candidates for the SPARTAN-II program, and there were well over 300 candidates selected. Not all of them survived the augmentation process, however.

  • 11.06.2009 2:06 PM PDT

Seems my last post didn't include the link I had put in it...

http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-II_Program#Class_I

  • 11.06.2009 2:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Don't have the encyclopedia but this is from the online wiki page:

* SPARTAN-006: Jai - MIA Gray Team.
* SPARTAN-008: Li - KIA due to close plasma detonation.
* SPARTAN-029: Joshua - assumed KIA during Battle of Reach.
* SPARTAN-030: Vinh - assumed KIA after Battle of Reach.
* SPARTAN-034: Samuel - KIA.
* SPARTAN-039: Isaac - assumed KIA the Battle of Reach.
* SPARTAN-042: Douglas - Spirit of Fire in 2531.
* SPARTAN-043: William - KIA during Battle of Onyx
* SPARTAN-044: Anton - KIA due to close plasma detonation.
* SPARTAN-047: Keiichi - Listed as MIA.
* SPARTAN-051: KIA in Onyx.
* SPARTAN-058: Linda - Active in Shield World.
* SPARTAN-059: Malcolm - KIA during Battle of Reach.
* SPARTAN-062: Maria - Retired.
* SPARTAN-066: Soren - Unknown, part of Halo: Evolutions.
* SPARTAN-087: Kelly - Active in Shield World.
* SPARTAN-092: Jerome - Spirit of Fire in 2531.
* SPARTAN-093: Grace - KIA During Operation: First Strike.
* SPARTAN-104: Frederic - Active in Shield World.
* SPARTAN-111: Adriana - MIA Gray Team.
* SPARTAN-117: John - MIA
* SPARTAN-130: Alice - Spirit of Fire in 2531.
* SPARTAN-141: Cal - Active.
* James - MIA, most likely KIA during the Battle of Reach.
* Mike - MIA with the rest of Gray Team.
* Randall - MIA.
* Sheila - KIA during Battle of Miridem.
* Unnamed Spartan (Homecoming) - Active.

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So thats 28. Out of which 12 were not in Reach because they are either part of Gray Team, they died in a previous Battle, they are Retired/MIA or in the Spirit of Fire.

That leaves you with 16. Again, in the battle for Reach it is said (TFoR book and the number given in Halo Wars) that there were 25 active Spartans.

So we have 25 Spartans in Reach. We know(John, Linda, James, Malcom, Fred, Kelly, Joshua, Anton, Li, Grace, Will, Vinh, Isaac). That would give us 12 "Unknown Spartans". We also have Cal, Soren and the Unknown Spartan from Halo Legends. We end up with 9 unknown Spartans. 3 of those (already counted Malcom up there) also died on impact. You should end up with 7 truly unknown Spartans on that Red Team/Beta Team all of which can or cant be unknown depending if Cal, Soren and the unnamed one were not amongst the ones that died on impact.



My brain is not functioning properly... some of that makes sense some of that probably doesn't idk.

[Edited on 11.06.2009 2:43 PM PST]

  • 11.06.2009 2:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: Verroq
Didn't waste the time reading through the 4 pages, so I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but anyone who read the books should know that they recieved their numbers when they were selected as candidates for the SPARTAN-II program, and there were well over 300 candidates selected. Not all of them survived the augmentation process, however.
You are wrong. The final number of candidates were 150. That doesn't mean that the original number of kids was that number, it could have been more.

  • 11.06.2009 2:41 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

There has to be more than 33 spartan II's at this point.

  • 11.06.2009 2:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: BTE
Posted by: Xharpan
it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: privet caboose
There has to be more than 33 spartan II's at this point.
Not really. I believe they still have room to play with the numbers without going over that number.

  • 11.06.2009 2:44 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Also, according to the Halo encylapedia, Yasmine (the only known "class II" from ILB) is listed as a class I. So you need to add it to the list own known spartan II's.

  • 11.06.2009 2:49 PM PDT
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I'm sorry that I made you guys mad but I hate people that are muslim do to the fact that the quaran specifically says kill or convert the infidel. You can look it up if you want. I have a mild learning disability. And I am being serious that I have a mild learning disability. I'm in LLD classes for acedemics.

Posted by: TokiWartooth117
God searchbar please. Anyway, have you considered that its Sierra 2-59? Possibly for Spartan 2 #59

so what your saying is that john is a spartan 1? 1 #17?
no your wrong

  • 11.06.2009 2:51 PM PDT
Subject: Halo Reach Trailer Flaw

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Posted by: Phoenix1330
as it never really says what happened to the second batch of SIIs other than Hasley suggested discontinuing the project. ONI likely continued is my theory, and these are batch 2.


Well it actually says that Halsey couldn't get enough candidates and that most of her funding was going to Mjolnir armor R&D and maintenance.

Regardless, it makes a great deal of sense to me that ONI would not want Dr Halsey in on Spartan-II Class 2. I mean, look how she reacted when she found out about the Spartan-IIIs. Really the only thing we can safely assume regarding additional Spartan-IIs is that Halsey and the Class 1s never had anything to do with them.

People seem to get this knee-jerk reaction to the idea of a second class of Spartan-IIs though, apparently you "can't train" Spartan-IIs without her despite the fact that Halsey never did any of the training. No, she only did design. After creating the first functional design building more is child's play. Seriously, pick any random High School in the US and chances are someone there can design you an atomic bomb even though it took a team of the world's best physicists and engineers several months and billions of dollars to build the first one.

So in other words I'm agreeing with you and I don't see why others have such a hard time accepting the possibility.

Forget them though, I'm sure we'll both be basking in smug satisfaction after a matter of minutes with Halo: Reach.

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  • 11.06.2009 2:52 PM PDT

Yes after the functional prototype building more is childs play... and thats why they went on to create the Spartan IIIs, which were cheaper than the Spartan IIs were.

  • 11.06.2009 3:14 PM PDT

Sierra is military for the letter 'S', that's it, it is not military for 'Spartan'. John was sometimes ID'd by S-117, which, when said over a radio would be Sierra 117. Its similar to Echo 419 in Halo:CE. Stenciled on the side of Foehammer's pelican was 'E419' which when said over a radio was lengthened to Echo 419. Its the same with Kilo 023, which would be stenciled on the side of the pelican as K023.

And there were 150 candidates, 75 were conscripted, 30 were killed in the augmentations, 12 were crippled but still lived and 33 were made active Spartan IIs.

  • 11.06.2009 3:52 PM PDT
Subject: Halo Reach Trailer Flaw

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Was gonna post this.
Posted by: Verroq
Didn't waste the time reading through the 4 pages, so I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but anyone who read the books should know that they recieved their numbers when they were selected as candidates for the SPARTAN-II program, and there were well over 300 candidates selected. Not all of them survived the augmentation process, however.

  • 11.06.2009 4:08 PM PDT

Here we go, addressing both points. First off in the military phonic alphabet, certain words are used in the place of letters to aid in recognition Thus Sierra=S. S stands for Spartan but also Squad, Sector, Sandwich, etc. Also, there could have been over 320 children originally found for the project, then it was moved down to 150, then 75 (sorry if the numbers are wrong, I'm too tiered to check them now). Spartan 320 (if that's him/her) could be one of the 10/15 unnamed Spartans that participated in the Battle of Reach.

  • 11.06.2009 4:22 PM PDT

"Everything works itself out. The only thing that matters is whether you want it to or not."

Last Refuge - Operation Phoenix is in effect. From the ashes, we will rise.

He's saying Spartan 2-59 and 3-20, standing for the different batches of Spartans that were created. Spartan 2, as in the second batch of Spartan IIs, and for Spartan 3, either Spartan IIIs or the third batch of Spartan IIs, but I think it's Spartan IIIs.

  • 11.06.2009 4:26 PM PDT
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ya, gotta know who you are...

The things about threads this long, all ideas have already passed around.
You can only shake your head at the idiots, and feel sorry for the ignorant.

I have no idea who or what 259 and 320 are. More obvious clues lean toward them being Spartans even though we've never heard of 259 or 320. The Spartan IIIs were on a different planet. It would be quite a stretch to say they were combat ready and shipped at this time.
TFoR is the Spartan II's glory days short lived as they were. Having a combat ready second class of Spartan II's doesn't make any sense. All speculative reasoning aside, there just isn't that much time to have come up with a second batch.
After seeing how invaluable the Spartan II's turned out they needed a better way to make more of them and faster. Hence Spartan III's. But that was after the fall, correct me if I'm wrong. And this game isn't called The Fall of Reach, it's just Reach. Not Onyx either.
Unless anyone can come up with any good reason why we wouldn't be playing as Spartan II's, quit saying it's something else.

Everyone should have a look at privet caboose's thread on the silhouettes in the banner.
Form your own opinion of course, but consider it the best guess we have.

[Edited on 11.06.2009 7:42 PM PST]

  • 11.06.2009 7:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Council Elite 12
He's saying Spartan 2-59 and 3-20, standing for the different batches of Spartans that were created. Spartan 2, as in the second batch of Spartan IIs, and for Spartan 3, either Spartan IIIs or the third batch of Spartan IIs, but I think it's Spartan IIIs.
Except that Malcolms face was part of the ground at this point, and spartan 3s have a different callsign system. Its most likely spartans that we've never heard of or a couple pelicans that dropped off some spartans. Also, whos to say that the numbering stopped at 150. There could have been hundreds more candidates and when they were narrowed down, they kept their number. Sure a number that high is unprecedented but not unlikely for the Class 1 SpartanIIs.

  • 11.06.2009 8:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ars Bumza

Those two quotes would mean that there are more than 150 SpartanIIs. So already im seeing bungie's wrong in the correct halo reach story. Post comments!


The 150 Spartans are those who survived the training and enhancement procedures. Many other subjects died or became permanently handicaped (or worse) as a result of these experiments.

The immatriculation numbers are those of the subjects who survived.

All this to say that there could be 150 Spartans with immatriculation numbers much higher than 150, because so many, with other immatriculation numbers, did not make it in the end.

Ex: Sierra 259 and Sierra 320 are subjects who made it through and became Spartans. Sierra 248, say, could have be decommissioned for becoming a vegetable after receiving the enhancement drugs, or some such.

  • 11.06.2009 9:21 PM PDT

Message me if you want, I will try to get back as soon as possible.

See you on the forums and in the games.

All you people saying it's Spartan III's are sadly mistaken. Spartan III;s were strictly black ops and that is what they were created for. Even if they were at Reach, which they were not, they wouldn't announce it to everyone because they are trained for secret missions not open out war.

  • 11.06.2009 10:17 PM PDT

Sierra is military code for S. Sierra 117 meant "S117," which people affiliated with Spartan 117, for obvious reasons. S259 could mean the same thing.

There were hundreds of children that were observed prior to the actual process of kidnapping candidates. Easily 300 or 400 children. This was the point they were assigned numbers. Then 150 of them were chosen to go through the training, 75 were cut out, and after augmentation the number was halved again to 33 combat-ready supersoldiers. This does not mean that their numbers only go up to 033, as we all know.

Evidence suggests spartans. Keep an open mind, and keep an aware one.

  • 11.06.2009 10:35 PM PDT
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Sierra means S in the NATO phonetic alphabet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet

It doesn't strictly mean Spartan.

  • 11.06.2009 10:49 PM PDT

Why is there math on the pie?

This is a bit of an off-the-wall theory, but... Could it be that some Spartans were given higher numbers to give the impression that there were far more spartans than there actually was? Even if the Covenant didn't care, if you were a civilian, would you feel safer thinking there was 150 spartans or a thousand?
This just came out of me hearing that during ww2, a certain movement that attempted world domination had a tank brigade named the Third Panzer Army, even though there was only one. The hope was that allied commanders would think that they had three Panzer divisions running amok instead of only one.

  • 11.07.2009 12:19 AM PDT

If I remember correctly Fred and the rest of Blue team dropped in a pelican from the Pillar Of Autumn. Cheif sent them on a mission to protect the Orbital defense cannons. I think that was just some random military personell stating that the spartans have landed.

Source: TFOR

  • 11.07.2009 12:29 AM PDT

May I point out, when they use the term Sierra 117, it is in halo 3 when the covenant have a massive presence on the ground and can easily get into communications (As seen on Crow's Nest). Seeing how the covenant would throw everything to take out a Spartan, it makes sense for the higher ranking people to use code (phonetic alphabet) to mask his location and objectives.

No proof sierra-259 or 320 are Spartans, or if they are members of the pelican group Sierra, similar to echo or kilo

  • 11.07.2009 10:02 AM PDT