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Subject: Halo Reach Trailer Flaw

Posted by: Ushan
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Posted by: TokiWartooth117
I think the most plausible theory so far is that they are Spartan II's from Class 2


Hardly, the Spartan II Class IIs were cancelled.

  • 11.05.2009 9:53 PM PDT

Posted by: TokiWartooth117
I think the most plausible theory so far is that they are Spartan II's from Class 2


It would be, if Class 2 had actually been started... go look it up on Halopedia.

  • 11.05.2009 9:54 PM PDT
Subject: Halo Reach
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i will get teased but whats halo reach

  • 11.05.2009 9:54 PM PDT

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Not to throw a hammer at anyone's plate-glass window of knowledge, those that are saying it is Sierra 2 #59 instead of Sierra 259...but, in Halo 3, didn't Lord Hood say, "And Sierra 117?" To which Miranda responded, "Moving as fast as he can sir, I know he'll get it done."

I'm just saying that since Lord Hood acknowledged them by their number wouldn't they do the same?

  • 11.05.2009 11:59 PM PDT

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could it be the spartan's no. (cheif's 117 etc) are more like serial no.? like not in any order etc?

  • 11.06.2009 12:13 AM PDT
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God searchbar please. Anyway, have you considered that its Sierra 2-59? Possibly for Spartan 2 #59
That's a valid point, but I've never heard of a Spartan referring to themselves as a Spartan 2.


That's because there were multiple spartan programs. Master chief and the other spartans on reach were all spartan 2's(second spartan group), while the spartans in ghosts of onyx are spartan 3's (third spartan group)


Halo 2 ending.
"Sir this is Spartan-117"
"Master Chief you mind telling me what you're doing on that ship"
"Sir finishing this fight"

So no, they don't call themselves Spartan "II" #....

  • 11.06.2009 12:23 AM PDT
Subject: Halo Reach Trailer Flaw

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Posted by: TokiWartooth117
I think the most plausible theory so far is that they are Spartan II's from Class 2


Hardly, the Spartan II Class IIs were cancelled.


Considering Halsey's overly motherly attitude towards her Spartans I can see why ONI would want to keep future Spartan classes and projects Halsey-free.

In other words, just because Dr. Halsey couldn't train a second class of Spartan-IIs doesn't mean that a second class of Spartan-IIs were never made.

If you're going to talk numbers of potential candidates ONI could have purposefully provided her with incomplete population reports so that Halsey couldn't find enough candidates.

If you're going to talk funding, saying that it probably went to certain projects rather than a new class of Spartan-IIs really isn't very compelling evidence. In fact I would hardly call that evidence at all.

  • 11.06.2009 5:37 AM PDT

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I'm quite sure Sierra + 3 numbers is certainly used for Spartan-II in case of misunderstood in the military.

At least I don't know any other person who has been referred as Sierra + 3 numbers other than Spartan.

[Edited on 11.06.2009 5:48 AM PST]

  • 11.06.2009 5:41 AM PDT
Subject: Halo Reach

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Spartan-059 Malcolm was killed as soon as he hit the ground, along with 3 unnamed Spartans. He cannot be Spartan-259. If you think that -259 means Spartan-II, 059, then you must also think that Spartan-117 means Spartan-I, 017, right? But the Chief is a Spartan-II so the logic of -259 being -II, 059 is WRONG.

  • 11.06.2009 8:25 AM PDT

They are both Spartans, but there from the second batch of Spartan IIs. Confusing right.

  • 11.06.2009 8:42 AM PDT
Subject: Halo Reach Trailer Flaw

We only know the callsigns for like 10 or so spartans... just because they happen to all be less than 150 does not prove that their serial numbers were numbered in order, or had anything to do with a "head count". Or, perhaps even Dr. Halsey numbered the candidates before she had even narrowed it down to the 150 that eventually made it into the program.

The facts that:
-spartans are commonly refered to as sierra-number
-the game obviously involves spartans other than MC
-the person in the trailer announces his callsign, and says "you've got spartans on the ground sir", leading us to believe hes announcing the arrival of he and his unit

Are a bit more compelling than theories of it being about a pelican or some crap.

Bungie has explained away worse canon gaffs than this... and its almost always "you just haven't seen them yet".

[Edited on 11.06.2009 8:51 AM PST]

  • 11.06.2009 8:51 AM PDT
Subject: Halo Reach

to people who are saying sierra doesnt mean sppartan, you are wrong.

for 2 reasons:

1. just because sierra doesnt necessarily mean spartan (it means s), bungie wouldnt want to confuse us

2:look on the first page of this tread. bungie employees posts are yellow right? well one all but said it means spartan

  • 11.06.2009 8:52 AM PDT
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  • 11.06.2009 8:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: Ars Bumza
Im a big fan of halo and all. Ive read all the books, correct me if im wrong but in the halo reach trailer a person said "This is sierra 259 we got spartans on the ground." another voice says "This is sierra 320 prepped for combat insertion."

Those two quotes would mean that there are more than 150 SpartanIIs. So already im seeing bungie's wrong in the correct halo reach story. Post comments!
Bungie has never confirmed or denied that there are more then 150 spartans. In the books there is no mention of these characters. But Reach isn't a set story line. Halo: The Fall of Reach is a book with a story-line. The game Halo: Reach will most likely not be following the book's story-line.

If you think the 'story' of Reach is limited to what the book describes you should open your mind a bit.

  • 11.06.2009 9:00 AM PDT

May I point out, other pelican dropship groups used the military alphabet to Id themselves, such as Kilo and Echo 419
quote from halopedia.
*It is also possible that Sierra-259 is the designation for a Pelican based on the use of the NATO phonetic letter "Sierra" followed by three numbers, similar to E419.*

  • 11.06.2009 9:21 AM PDT
Subject: Halo Reach Trailer Flaw

Signatures are for squares.

CLASS II'S DON'T EFFING EXIST.

Anyways, alot of people out there believe that the 5 people in the Banner are Spartan II class II's, but in reality, they don't exist. The class II's were a cancelled project.


After the graduation of the first class of SPARTAN-IIs in 2525, Dr. Halsey began planning for the next wave of Spartans; her efforts, however, ran into problems. There were too few candidates that were in sync with her age restriction protocol and a majority of her funding was going towards MJOLNIR maintenance and construction; leaving little room for continued training efforts. By 2531, the majority of her funds had been diverted and she was forced to postpone the effort indefinitely.


This means that Halsey never got around to finishing the class II's, and Mendez was later called to Ackersons "Spartan III" project.

Spartan III's cost much less the Spartan II's, could be trained faster, and didn't use the costly MJOLNIR armor. These Spartan IIIs could be "produced" in bulk, since they didn't go through as many risky genetic augmentation processes. Since Halsey wasn't on board with this project, they are not class II's.

While we are on the Spartan III subject, I'm going to point out why it is impossible for Spartan IIIs to be a part of this game.

Reach was invaded August 30th, 2552.

All of Alpha company was killed in 2537
All of Beta Company was killed in 2545, except for Tom and Lucy, who went on to train Gamma.
Gamma company didn't receive orders to move off of Oynx until October 2552, After Reach had fell. And Even if Some of Gamma was at Reach (no clue how they would of gotten there) they have different call signs, such as "Ash - G099"


Enough with the Spartan III's.


Now, some people will say, "What about Nicole-458, she was a Class II" The Truth behind that is, Nicole is a non-canon character made up by Bungie to be put in Team Ninjas Dead or Alive 4. Team Ninja originally request Master Chief, but Bungie instead gave them Nicole.

However, the most controversial thing of all, is I love Bees.

In October 2004, Joe was asked if ILB is canon, he replied:
[B]Joe Staten:

"The Bees would not make the cut. Those guys basically did their own thing with very little Bungie input (save for massaging and approving the initial plot-treatment). While we helped define the boundaries of their fiction, we let them do what they thought best. And I think the game turned out great."

However, In July 2006 Frank O Conner stated:
Frankie:
"We're going to have this huge collection of canon and things that we embrace as canon, like I Love Bees and stuff like that."


Yet, that same year, Joe Staten said:
Joe Staten:
We're in the process of figuring out what was canon and what was not, and ILB was part of that neutrality.


I love Bees hasn't been mentioned since then, so I believe it's safe to say that it is NOT canon, especially since it directly violates other canon, such as the time in which characters Shaw and Fujikawa were supposed to have been alive.


Now, that still leaves the question, "What about the higher number spartans, such as "259" and "320"

Now it is very true that we haven't seen a Spartan II with a call sign this high, but that doesn't mean there isn't anyway. MLG Cheewawa was right when he said that the Human controlled planets at that time meant that there was trillions of Humans and children to scan, it's possible that more than 320 children were scanned possible induction, then it was narrowed too 150, then 75.

Hell, it's possible that these "Higher Numbered" spartans were in our face the entire time.

Spartans such as James, Mike, and Cassandra have played large roles in the novels, and Halo canon, and they've never had their numbers stated. Plus, there is still 11 unnamed spartans who's numbers could be higher than 150.



Hopefully, this cleared some things up for you, and you know now why It is possible that these Spartans are part of the original group of spartans, and Not class II's, or spartan III's.

  • 11.06.2009 9:40 AM PDT
Subject: Halo Reach

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Posted by: booming ben
i know but they also make a glitch for a reason dumbo


/facepalm

you dont MAKE a glitch, genius


"Spartans on the ground, sir. We're not going anywhere."



"Spartans on the ground, sir."


"We're not going anywhere."


"Spartans"


"We're"


why do you people refuse to accept the fact that there are spartans?

  • 11.06.2009 10:09 AM PDT
Subject: Halo Reach Trailer Flaw

First Strike covers a different perspective of Reach in the beginning then moves onto chief taking the big 32 (or whatever it is) kilometre covenant ship before it gets to Earth.
So, yes, Malcolm is dead. Get your facts right people.

[Edited on 11.06.2009 10:20 AM PST]

  • 11.06.2009 10:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
CLASS II'S DON'T EFFING EXIST.
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Bungie create a Class II Spartan for I forget which game, Linda was her name I believe? No, I don't know, but it was a fighting game. Yes, I know it isn't exactally canon, but who knows maybe Bungie carried the idea.

But just because the books lead you to believe the Spartan II Class II was not carried out and instead Spartan III's were born, doesn't mean that Class II's don't exsist. I'm just saying it is a possibility.

[Edited on 11.06.2009 10:21 AM PST]

  • 11.06.2009 10:21 AM PDT

Posted by: teh1maggot
Posted by: booming ben
i know but they also make a glitch for a reason dumbo


/facepalm

you dont MAKE a glitch, genius

tha spartan in that game wasnt linda. secondly, for all intents and purposes, the spartan in that game does not, and never did exist in the halo universe. it is completely unrelated.

  • 11.06.2009 10:25 AM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

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Posted by: privet caboose
CLASS II'S DON'T EFFING EXIST.
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Bungie create a Class II Spartan for I forget which game, Linda was her name I believe? No, I don't know, but it was a fighting game. Yes, I know it isn't exactally canon, but who knows maybe Bungie carried the idea.

But just because the books lead you to believe the Spartan II Class II was not carried out and instead Spartan III's were born, doesn't mean that Class II's don't exsist. I'm just saying it is a possibility.


Did you even bother to read the entire post?

I went over nicole.

  • 11.06.2009 10:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: Halo3 Doughboy3
Or there could be just 150 different numbers.

Exactly my point.


Posted by: EldritchWarlord
Considering Halsey's overly motherly attitude towards her Spartans I can see why ONI would want to keep future Spartan classes and projects Halsey-free.

In other words, just because Dr. Halsey couldn't train a second class of Spartan-IIs doesn't mean that a second class of Spartan-IIs were never made.

If you're going to talk numbers of potential candidates ONI could have purposefully provided her with incomplete population reports so that Halsey couldn't find enough candidates.

If you're going to talk funding, saying that it probably went to certain projects rather than a new class of Spartan-IIs really isn't very compelling evidence. In fact I would hardly call that evidence at all.

This makes it seem ONI is being very willy nilly about their program. Which was the main problem with the Spartan program - that you can't be willy nilly. It is a slow process that takes many years of development. I doubt ONI would just throw out the only person who had the slightest idea of how to do things. Especially when she was SUCCESSFUL. Instead they funded the Spartan III program which was not limited by Halsey's strict requirements. Practically anyone could be a Spartan III, but because of this they were also less efficient in battle and were also considered expendable.

Posted by: POKEY CLYDE
Bungie has never confirmed or denied that there are more then 150 spartans. In the books there is no mention of these characters. But Reach isn't a set story line. Halo: The Fall of Reach is a book with a story-line. The game Halo: Reach will most likely not be following the book's story-line.

If you think the 'story' of Reach is limited to what the book describes you should open your mind a bit.

There is only one problem with this mentality. Fall of Reach isn't vague enough to consider a "different" story. There is only one battle for Reach, and it happens in some pretty specific places in the book which doesn't allow for much wiggle room for plot tangents.

Posted by: privet caboose
Did you even bother to read the entire post?

I went over nicole.

And as bungie stated, she is NOT canon. She has nothing to do with the Halo universe at all.

  • 11.06.2009 11:26 AM PDT

There is only one problem with this mentality. Fall of Reach isn't vague enough to consider a "different" story. There is only one battle for Reach, and it happens in some pretty specific places in the book which doesn't allow for much wiggle room for plot tangents.

There doesn't need to be "wiggle-room" for Bungie; Bungie decides what is canon. Just because Bungie said the books are considered canon, does not suddenly make the books the law: Bungie is still in charge. They're not going to go to Halo Jail for wiggling the plot.

That said, Bungie also loves to pull the "You just haven't seen it yet" card when introducing elements into the Halo universe. For all we know, there could be a military planet just like Reach on the other side of the galaxy, where the UNSC put an entirely different person than Halsey in charge of a concurrent Spartan program to Halsey's. And some of those Spartans were dispatched to a region of Reach that was not mentioned in FoR.

This is extremely unlikely, but you get my drift: Bungie can and will do whatever the hell they want with the plot to their game.

  • 11.06.2009 11:42 AM PDT

The callsigns were based on the original order of selection. Master Chief was the 117th child chosen. I don't see any reason why that couldn't be changed. Perhaps if Chief was on a mission somewhere and a pelican was Echo 117, they might change Chief's number so as not to create confusion.

It is interesting to note, though, that S-3's were deployed in groups of 300-330 for suicidal missions that UNSC wouldn't send ODST's into. The two numbers we hear are 259 and 320. That's certainly within the range, and S-259 responds after the transmission "Where are you Noble 1?" That could be the designation for their group of 300.

[Edited on 11.06.2009 12:03 PM PST]

  • 11.06.2009 11:52 AM PDT