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Subject: For the Love of God, DONT remove the BR's 3-Shot-Burst!

Posted by: L3GEND411
Posted by: goblin95
The Carbine can fire 6 shots faster the BR can fire 4


That would mean something, if it didn't take 8 carbine shots to kill someone.

It is a well established fact that the battle rifle is superior to the carbine... do you even play this game?
Yes I do and I always do better with the Carbine then the BR

  • 11.06.2009 8:10 AM PDT

Why would Bungie remove a good gun?

[Edited on 11.06.2009 8:16 AM PST]

  • 11.06.2009 8:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: goblin95


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Okay, but we aren't talking about Halo 3 here. In Halo Reach, the BR should be single shot and have the rate of fire of a Carbine. Thus, the BR will kill in the time it takes the Carbine to fire off 4 shots. [/quote] Why would Bungie remove a good gun?


I asked myself the same question when the Halo 1 Pistol was removed from the game. Short answer; It's Bungie.

  • 11.06.2009 8:15 AM PDT

Posted by: thewhorocker15
Posted by: goblin95


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Okay, but we aren't talking about Halo 3 here. In Halo Reach, the BR should be single shot and have the rate of fire of a Carbine. Thus, the BR will kill in the time it takes the Carbine to fire off 4 shots. [/quote] Why would Bungie remove a good gun?


I asked myself the same question when the Halo 1 Pistol was removed from the game. Short answer; It's Bungie.
Then why would Bungie make the same mistake twice?

  • 11.06.2009 8:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: goblin95
Posted by: thewhorocker15
Posted by: goblin95


[/quote]

Okay, but we aren't talking about Halo 3 here. In Halo Reach, the BR should be single shot and have the rate of fire of a Carbine. Thus, the BR will kill in the time it takes the Carbine to fire off 4 shots. [/quote] Why would Bungie remove a good gun?


I asked myself the same question when the Halo 1 Pistol was removed from the game. Short answer; It's Bungie.
Then why would Bungie make the same mistake twice?


They're idiotic. In Halo 1, we had good weapon balance and a large skill gap with good maps.

Then, in Halo 2 we had melee lunges and huge hitboxes which made the game extremely nooby.

Now we have a game in which every weapon is inconsistent, maps are way too big and gameplay is slow paced.

Bungie's made the same mistake more than once already. You can only expect more in Reach.

  • 11.06.2009 8:22 AM PDT

Halo 3 is a great in my opinion

  • 11.06.2009 8:26 AM PDT

Posted by: Master Megatron
It takes a bit more skill this way. Plus, you'll have finer control over it than you do the BR.
More what then what?

  • 11.06.2009 8:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: goblin95
Halo 3 is a great in my opinion


LAN Halo 1 and 2. You will change your opinion

  • 11.06.2009 8:27 AM PDT

Posted by: L3GEND411
Posted by: goblin95
The Carbine can fire 6 shots faster the BR can fire 4


That would mean something, if it didn't take 8 carbine shots to kill someone.

It is a well established fact that the battle rifle is superior to the carbine... do you even play this game?

if u have to shoot the carbine 8 times to get a kill no wonder u use the br. u dont have accuracy. I shoot at max 6-7 times to get a kill.

For the single-shot br, i dont think it should have the same fire-rate as the carbine. Thats one thing that makes the gun unique.

  • 11.06.2009 8:28 AM PDT

It is a well established fact that the battle rifle is superior to the carbine... do you even play this game?[/quote]
if u have to shoot the carbine 8 times to get a kill no wonder u use the br. u dont have accuracy. I shoot at max 6-7 times to get a kill.

For the single-shot br, i dont think it should have the same fire-rate as the carbine. Thats one thing that makes the gun unique.


Dip-blam!-, in Halo 3 it takes 8 headshots to kill someone with a carbine. In Halo 2 and the H3 Beta, it was 7.

From Halopedia:
"its power has been reduced slightly from its Halo 2 counterpart. It now takes eight head shots to kill a fully-shielded opponent in multiplayer, as opposed to seven in Halo 2 and the Halo 3 Beta."

Go turn on your box and start a custom game with 2 controllers, test it, and proceed to insert foot in mouth.

[Edited on 11.06.2009 8:34 AM PST]

  • 11.06.2009 8:33 AM PDT

Removing burst removes spread. How is that a bad thing?

  • 11.06.2009 8:36 AM PDT

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I hope they do make it single shot, then people will stop whining about the bullet spread for once.

  • 11.06.2009 8:36 AM PDT

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The Carbine is already single shot, and we really don't need more than one Carbine.

Who is the dumbass who said that the Carbine is weaker than the BR? It kills faster, but only rewards skilled players, as opposed to the BR, which kills a bit slower, but takes less skill to use.

The Carbine can fire a grand total of 10 shots BEFORE the BR can make it's 4th, this means that if your good, you can STILL mess up twice and kill the guy faster.

[Edited on 11.06.2009 8:41 AM PST]

  • 11.06.2009 8:38 AM PDT

Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
The Carbine is already single shot, and we really don't need more than one Carbine.

Who is the dumbass who said that the Carbine is weaker than the BR? It kills faster, but only rewards skilled players, as opposed to the BR, which kills a bit slower, but takes less skill to use.

The Carbine can fire a grand total of 10 shots BEFORE the BR can make it's 4th, this means that if your good, you can STILL mess up twice and kill the guy faster.
Not me I said the Carbine was better

  • 11.06.2009 8:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: mubox47
$.50 in store credit.

I've heard rumors of a 12-shot mag single-shot BR.

ZOMG BUNIE R TAKEN MY IDEA!


I like the sound of it. It's more of a carbine, so when someone doesnt have shields you have to hit his head actually, not aim in the general direction and pound R a few times.

  • 11.06.2009 8:43 AM PDT

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actually, the carbine isn't really a carbine, and the battle rifle wouldn't be a carbine if it was single shot, partially because "carbines" reload in-front of the trigger system, the BR is bullpup, thus meaning it reloads behind the trigger system. I'm not sure about the carbine though, it loads on-top, so I would need to look up carbine in a dictionary to find out whether that means the carbine isn't a carbine, but I believe it isn't, so if I'm wrong, please correct me

saying that I don't like carbines or the carbine, and I have only recently become a BR fan... I'm still not as good as other people [I used to run around and play around with other, less useful weapons] but yeah, I'd prefer a single shot carbine because I don't like indecisive people or things, and burst action is [in my opinion] indecisive.

  • 11.06.2009 8:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: shotgun sniper
actually, the carbine isn't really a carbine, and the battle rifle wouldn't be a carbine if it was single shot, partially because "carbines" reload in-front of the trigger system, the BR is bullpup, thus meaning it reloads behind the trigger system. I'm not sure about the carbine though, it loads on-top, so I would need to look up carbine in a dictionary to find out whether that means the carbine isn't a carbine, but I believe it isn't, so if I'm wrong, please correct me

saying that I don't like carbines or the carbine, and I have only recently become a BR fan... I'm still not as good as other people [I used to run around and play around with other, less useful weapons] but yeah, I'd prefer a single shot carbine because I don't like indecisive people or things, and burst action is [in my opinion] indecisive.

The Spiker is a Carbine. Its technical name even says so AND it loads in the front :)

  • 11.06.2009 8:53 AM PDT

Posted by: thewhorocker15
Posted by: goblin95
Halo 3 is a great in my opinion


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  • 11.06.2009 8:54 AM PDT
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I am indefferent right now because this game takes place before Halo CE so if they even keep any of the wepons in Halo 2/3/ODST I will be kind of upset

  • 11.06.2009 9:13 AM PDT

Posted by: HipiO7
I have always like the 1shot BR more then the 3 shot, ever since it first appeared in the Halo 2 E3 DEMO
Indeed. Sounded cooler, looked more fun. Now they just need to deal with that whole "too similar to Carbine" problem.

  • 11.06.2009 9:14 AM PDT
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im all for another human-based weapon to act as a direct counter to the carbine, but i just think the BR should keep its burst fire.

  • 11.06.2009 9:14 AM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: goblin95
Posted by: thewhorocker15
Posted by: goblin95
Halo 3 is a great in my opinion


LAN Halo 1 and 2. You will change your opinion
I have played all the Halo games and I love then all but it is Halo 3 that I love the most

You played ELEVEN GAMES of Halo 2, this is the difference between someone who was a fan from the beginning, and someone who was just a fan of Halo 3.

I played 3 years worth of Halo CE BEFORE Halo 2 came out, and I played that until Halo 3's release. I can safely say Halo 3 is the least fun of the three.

  • 11.06.2009 9:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: Fos Tis Krisis
The Carbine is already single shot, and we really don't need more than one Carbine.

Who is the dumbass who said that the Carbine is weaker than the BR? It kills faster, but only rewards skilled players, as opposed to the BR, which kills a bit slower, but takes less skill to use.

The Carbine can fire a grand total of 10 shots BEFORE the BR can make it's 4th, this means that if your good, you can STILL mess up twice and kill the guy faster.


Here's the thing though: The Halo series has declined tremendously in terms of skill and balance. Part of the reason is because there is no adequate all purpose weapon. Sure, we have the BR and Carbine, but both weapons are weak, have an ineffective range and are inconsistent. Not to mention the BR is a burst fire weapon which makes it less skillful to use.

Making the BR a single shot weapon is an adjustment the Halo series needs. A four shot weapon that requires you to lead you shots (rather than just sweep shoot with a three shot burst) while also having the ability to kill in as much time as it takes the Carbine to pump out four shots is a weapon that will once again bring balance about Halo multiplayer. This game NEEDS something like that.

Furthermore, we don't even know if the Carbine will be included in Reach

[Edited on 11.06.2009 9:19 AM PST]

  • 11.06.2009 9:16 AM PDT

Posted by: Icanlive12345
I am indefferent right now because this game takes place before Halo CE so if they even keep any of the wepons in Halo 2/3/ODST I will be kind of upset


Bungie has explained multiple times that most of the weapons you see in 2/3/ODST existed before Halo CE, you just didn't see them in it, because for whatever reason the pillar of autumn wasn't stocked with them.

  • 11.06.2009 9:17 AM PDT

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