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Subject: -Some balancing is required-
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It's well known that Halo 3 have some issues in balance, not only between weapons but also other stuff wich I will come to later on. But first of all.

The weapons (covenant/human):

It has been widly discussed if the BR should be in Reach or not and I'm not a huge fan of the BR but I could live with it if it would be less OP. And in my opinion, by deleting the BR would not make the balance between weapons much better.
The thing is, that human weapons are pretty much "aim & shoot", you don't need to consider any bullet velocity or illumination curves, just aim at the target and shoot. And I find this slightly frustrating because it's pretty much the one who gets the first shot who wins.
But this could be solved by adding more recoil and making the gun "stiffer" to aim with while shooting, this way more skill is needed to get a kill with a human weapon, unlike how it is today with the AR and BR.

And for the Covenant slow-moving projectile weapons-> increased bullet damage so in a Head to Head fight (Covie/Human) the Covenant would win.


The next topic is about the Vehicles.

I don't have as much to whine about regarding the vehicles as the weapons. But there are a few points wich I would like to see improved in Reach, and thats the Plasma Cannons' bolts velocity, damage and spread. Lets take the Warthog and Prowler for example, the Prowler has a much weaker turret than the Warthog and it is also (of course) much harder to hit your target at a distance with a plasma cannon. So my wish here is to make the turrets equally powerfull and make the plasma cannons more like the Spectres in halo 2.
Same thing with the tanks. On a flat surface, in a Scorpion vs Wraith battle the usual winner is the Scorpion, due to it's accuracy and shell damage. A solution for this case is to make the reload time longer for the Scorpion and maybe the Wraith's plasma fire stronger against vehicles.



Matchmaking:

A rather annoying thing in matchmaking are the Weapons on Map. The majority of weapons are usually the same weapons you start with (BR AR). And a lot of weapons are seldom eaven placed on the map, like Carbine, Plamsa Rifle, Beam rifle etc... And I do not see the point in putting the same weapons on map as you start with :P So what I would like to see is moar COVIE WEAPONS! No just kidding (almost), but yes. More variation and a equal amount of weapons on map (C/H).

And one last thing

I think all of you have noticed that Spartans has much more body armor options, wich I do not really like because I prefer playing as an Elite.

And that was all I had to say. I hope that you haven't found this too depressive and managed to read it through.

  • 11.06.2009 12:28 PM PDT

Pie anyone?

OMG Wall Of Text.

If the others who read this finds it annoying, guess what I think after have been listening to it ever since OP got Halo 3. :P

[Edited on 11.06.2009 12:30 PM PST]

  • 11.06.2009 12:30 PM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

ODST;MYTHIC Screenshot winner! One of the first to get their hands on the mythic map pack.

Basically you are an Elite lover. You favour Plasma weapons etc over human. You wish to see them evenly matched.

Guess what, Plasma rifle beats AR in close range/beat down range. Plasma pistol is just a beast weapon, I don't even need to compare it to anything, it is so unique and powerful. Beam rifle is better then the sniper rifle because you can have a steady rate of fire and there is no reloading which can really help in certain situations. Carbine is better then the BR, Carbine has a longer range and it has a faster rate of fire.

  • 11.06.2009 12:41 PM PDT

Go Rams and Missouri!

Scorpion beats Wraith? Yeah right. Plasma mortar does more damage than the Scorpion's canister and unless the Wraith driver misses a shot or two, then he will win.

  • 11.06.2009 12:50 PM PDT

I hunt for the Prophet of Contentment, the San 'Shyumm that murdered my son, and stole his birthright, his Energy Sword. They call our species Heretics. They claim to all that our tongues sting, our words a vile poison that feeds on the unworthy. I have seen the true face of Heresy. The head of a gallant warrior lay on the ground. His neck scorched and blistered, scarred by his own blade. I shall retrieve the weapon, and drive it through that bastard's heart! Punishment for his sins is nigh.

Posted by: Unseen Blade
Scorpion beats Wraith? Yeah right. Plasma mortar does more damage than the Scorpion's canister and unless the Wraith driver misses a shot or two, then he will win.

Actually the Wraith does to less damage. It has the ability to shoot over objects though, and the Wraith can use cover while attacking a Scorpion.

  • 11.06.2009 12:51 PM PDT
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Yes I am aware of the advantages with Plasma weapons carbines wraiths and so on. BUT how often do you kill a scorpion with a wraith? Even though you have the advantage of shooting over objects, the scorpion will be well alarmed after the first hit, and can easily avoid the incoming projectiles because of the low speed they are travelling at. And also, it is VERY hard to hit a moving target while being behind an object when you don't see it.

And I know that PR beats AR in a shoot then melee fight, and also that Carbine has a longer range and faster rate of fire. I wouldn't have started this thread without testing the weapons properly. But yes, the Carbine has a faster rate of fire but it has also a much bigger spread wich means that the BR is the dominating weapon when it comes to accuracy at range.

I do not want the Covenant weapons to be overpowered compared to the human counterparts but I want them to be equal.

  • 11.06.2009 2:05 PM PDT

PEANUT-BUTTER SLAP!

Posted by: Unseen Blade
Scorpion beats Wraith? Yeah right. Plasma mortar does more damage than the Scorpion's canister and unless the Wraith driver misses a shot or two, then he will win.
I've tried that match up before. The wraith consistently and conclusively failed all five times.

  • 11.06.2009 2:10 PM PDT

There are few thigns I'm quite upset at in Halo about the weapon balance, but most of all in Halo 3. Especially how much they reduced the advantage of the Wraith. In H2, it was fast, had a good rate of fire, was stronger. In Halo 3 it's just simply, slower both in speed and response (you can't even climb a hill with it!), the fire rate is slow but I can live with that BUT why did Bungie had to make a weak spot on the Wraith?! What I'm talking about is the fan/turbine on the back! As long as your enemy is in front of you, the Wraith is powerful. But letting your enemy behind you you are doomed. Even a few hits with a gun or a sword, grenade whatever is enough to destroy the Wraith...

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  • 11.06.2009 3:25 PM PDT
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wich I do not really like because I prefer playing as an Elite.

Good point, but you seem to have forgotten the fact that, Elites suck.

And look like E.T's retarded humpback brother.

  • 11.06.2009 3:32 PM PDT

Posted by: Sullzy
wich I do not really like because I prefer playing as an Elite.

Good point, but you seem to have forgotten the fact that, Elites suck.

And look like E.T's retarded humpback brother.
Well, that's just your own personal opinion about the Elites... I think that the Spartans look like Pinocchio on steroids if you ask me.

[Edited on 11.06.2009 3:35 PM PST]

  • 11.06.2009 3:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sullzy
wich I do not really like because I prefer playing as an Elite.

Good point, but you seem to have forgotten the fact that, Elites suck.

And look like E.T's retarded humpback brother.


Please, I don't want to discuss that in this thread. Move over to this one if you want to complain about Elites.

There's one more thing I forgot to mention and that's the starting weapon options in custom games. You cannot choose between them all like in Halo 2.

[Edited on 11.07.2009 1:07 AM PST]

  • 11.07.2009 1:05 AM PDT

Its a trap!!!

Posted by: MATO
Posted by: Sullzy
wich I do not really like because I prefer playing as an Elite.

Good point, but you seem to have forgotten the fact that, Elites suck.

And look like E.T's retarded humpback brother.


Please, I don't want to discuss that in this thread. Move over to this one if you want to complain about Elites.

There's one more thing I forgot to mention and that's the starting weapon options in custom games. You cannot choose between them all like in Halo 2.


Well you have to admit the Elites in halo ce were lean mean fighting machines even though chief shot them all with his rofl gun and owned them.. but i loved them and were good foes.

I guess in halo 3 they stopped drinking milk and eating their vitamins

so now they became humpbacked and grew fatter

  • 11.07.2009 1:12 AM PDT
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Yes I'm pretty sure they stopped drinking milk and cookies. But seriously, why can't people like you just reply like normal people as soon as someone is talking about covenant?

  • 11.07.2009 4:27 AM PDT

Pie anyone?

Posted by: Sullzy
wich I do not really like because I prefer playing as an Elite.

Good point, but you seem to have forgotten the fact that, Elites suck.

And look like E.T's retarded humpback brother.


*comes back after lolling on the floor*
Seriously, why the f**k do the Elites suck?
I mean, they have the same amount of armor as the Spartans, they can take exactly the same amount of damage after the shield is gone.

So, I think this Elite hating is because they look way cooler.
Oh cmon, so you don't think their shiny armor looks better than the matte colored armor the Spartans have?

Well, your choice, but I'd take shiny over matte colored any day. And the Elite armor sure as hell looks cooler than your f***ing Hayabusa armor which is ugly AS HELL.

And then the Katana, which is not even attached to anything, just floating there... I LOL'D!

And before you say anything, yes I play as a Spartan model, but that doesn't mean I can't like the Elites better.


[Edited on 11.07.2009 4:38 AM PST]

  • 11.07.2009 4:36 AM PDT