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Posted by: rvcafighter
Halo: First Strike, page 310. John, Will, Fred and Grace engage a Brute for the first time, and Grace is killed by Brute shots. The Brute nearly suffocates John to death, and John finally frees himself and kills the Brute by sticking a frag grenade into its' belt. They also run into several more Brutes after this encounter. They books refers to them as Brutes on every encounter. You cannot argue the possibility that Brutes will be in Reach.


That particular encounter is on the Covenant space-station, the Unyielding Heirophant, light-years from Reach. The Spartans are long gone from Reach by that point. Sorry my friend, but you are incorrect. I will restate my opinion that Brutes MAY be in Halo: Reach, but it is very unlikely you will encounter them in the battle for Reach itself, possibly on other planets the game may take place on, you never know...

[Edited on 11.09.2009 1:20 AM PST]

  • 11.09.2009 1:17 AM PDT

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I think it'll be in there. In multiplayer. It doesn't have to make sense for it to be in. It's for fun.

  • 11.09.2009 6:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: cerberous226
Yeah and Brutes probably weren't even on Reach anyway. Besides we will probably only see the standard enemies (i.e Grunts, Jackals, Hunters, Elites, maybe Drones and Engineers).


The book never said the brutes where on the Reach, but it never said they weren't. The brutes were probally on Reach, it was no just metioned in the books.


It actually states in First Strike that the first the Brutes were heard of was when the Chief was on that mega big ship and in the reactor room. They had a face off with the brutes and nearly got their assess kicked. Cept for one spartan who died there.

  • 11.09.2009 6:23 AM PDT

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3. Bungie produced the books.

Good god, were this an english class and your teacher expected you to clearly back up your reasoning with evidence, you would fail miserably.

Of course the books came from borders. In which book and in what quote does it say that there was never a single brute on Reach?

Likewise, instead of being a smartass and saying "common sense", can you explain more clearly? Because the way I see it, in the Fall of Reach, sure, none of the protagonists saw a Brute, however, the book was not written in the view point of each and every spartan. It is possible that one or more of the spartans unnamed by the book and who's adventures and ultimate fate were note explored by the book could have fought against a few groups of brutes. Its pretty likely that we will end up playing as these unnamed spartans. So no, the books do not confirm that brutes won't be in the game.

Bungie didn't write the books, they consider it's contents canon however. But as I just explained, the books never say that there were absolutely no Brutes on Reach. And Bungie hasn't come out in their weekly updates and said "There were no brutes on Reach" either.


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  • 11.09.2009 7:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: iEfren
I had been thinking since there is a chance brutes will probably not be in halo reach. WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE CHOPPER! I dont want my favorite vehicle in the game to be gone because we got rid of big foot!=[


Deal with it.

  • 11.09.2009 7:53 AM PDT

The chopper just makes Halo feel like stupid children's game.

Seriously, axe it.

  • 11.09.2009 8:28 AM PDT

Posted by: Billy kite 69
The chopper just makes Halo feel like stupid children's game.

Seriously, axe it.

It really isn't all that bad. They just need to nerf the guns a bit so you can't slaughter people from halfway across sandbox.

I mean, the shots are both accurate and powerful and you can fire them pretty fast if you pulse the trigger. They should be much much more random so that it really only hits things at close to close/medium range. That way the warthog isn't instantly screwed whenever a chopper comes along, assuming the warthog is far enough away so that only a fraction of the blasts hit it.

  • 11.09.2009 9:12 AM PDT

Posted by: cerberous226
Read Fall of Reach. Now Im not saying that Bungie will compltetely go by the book because I dont want to get into another argument with Cheehwawa again (cant tell you how many of those I've had), but if I read correctly it said nothing about the Jiralhanae.


How often did it mention food? People using the bathroom?

Seriously, Brutes didn't simply come into being for Halo 2 via a magic spell, and neither did their technology.

It's completely within the realm of the story to have them in Reach, and the game itself, isn't necessarily going to be just about Reach itself. Really, the fall of reach was primarily space battles and glassing the surface from orbit.

Read the books, like you're so fond of telling other people to do. There was a lot of conversation and not so much action.

The game could span years before and/or years after reach.

Even at that, the book isn't necessarily a script for the games. Since the universe started with Bungie's game, the game is in charge, not the books. The books have proven to directly conflict with the game anyways. Remember the face melting plasma? Not so much, in any of the games. Not even in ODST.

I'm tired of moronic fools that think there can't be X because it's before the other games, or because the book didn't say there was. The books only deal with a relative few specific characters for either side(covie vs human).

How can you honestly even attempt to say "brutes" weren't there? We know they're a part of their army. We know they can make excelent pilots and fighters(in the books anyhow, in the game they're pushovers). They didn't evolve over night and immediately overthrow the Elites.

Some of you kids need some serious education.

  • 11.09.2009 9:27 AM PDT
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If there are Brutes in Reach then iam fairly sure the choppers will follow.

  • 11.09.2009 9:34 AM PDT

If Brutes were in Halo Wars, there's a chance they could be in Reach. They probably will be, as they are really easy to kill.

[Edited on 11.09.2009 10:37 AM PST]

  • 11.09.2009 10:37 AM PDT

Posted by: rvcafighter
Wow, you guys are retarded. If you've read the book First Strike, you'd know that the Spartans DO run into a Brute on Reach. I believe it actually states that ONI refers to them as Brutes, I can't recall. But I do know that there is a scenario in which one or several Spartans run into a covenant soldier that is bigger and stronger than an Elite, and engage in a fight with it. Why would Brutes be deployed to Harvest, but not Reach? Brutes were on Reach. You are all soooooooo obsessed with Halo, yet you have no clue what you are talking about. Why don't you try reading once in a while?!

You sir are a n00b at reading then. The Cheif ran into the Brutes in a different System on the Covenant docking station. Not on reach you idiot. Now why won't you try comprehending your reading once in a while?!

  • 11.09.2009 12:05 PM PDT
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It isn't our shiznit anymore.

Posted by: TruSalvationn
You sir are a n00b at reading then. The Cheif ran into the Brutes in a different System on the Covenant docking station. Not on reach you idiot. Now why won't you try comprehending your reading once in a while?!

I sincerely hope you find the irony in your post.

The bottomline is the only way you could say there were no brutes on Reach is if you gave me a headcount of every covenant soldier on every covenant ship (314?) that attacked Reach. Until you can provide that evidence, your theory is incorrect which means Brutes could have been at Reach.

  • 11.09.2009 12:22 PM PDT

Posted by: iEfren
I had been thinking since there is a chance brutes will probably not be in halo reach. WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE CHOPPER! I dont want my favorite vehicle in the game to be gone because we got rid of big foot!=[

That and the B-shotty. What else are you gonna use on standoff against those pesky hogs.

  • 11.09.2009 12:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: TruSalvationn
You sir are a n00b at reading then. The Cheif ran into the Brutes in a different System on the Covenant docking station. Not on reach you idiot. Now why won't you try comprehending your reading once in a while?!

I sincerely hope you find the irony in your post.

The bottomline is the only way you could say there were no brutes on Reach is if you gave me a headcount of every covenant soldier on every covenant ship (314?) that attacked Reach. Until you can provide that evidence, your theory is incorrect which means Brutes could have been at Reach.

When cheif dropped to the surface to search for survivors he noticed Admiral Whitcomb which I qoute said "We have sent teams out hit and run teams to keep busy, Recovering Enemie weapons noting a couple of PP and Shields, not Brute shots.

  • 11.09.2009 12:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

Posted by: TruSalvationn
When cheif dropped to the surface to search for survivors he noticed Admiral Whitcomb which I qoute said "We have sent teams out hit and run teams to keep busy, Recovering Enemie weapons noting a couple of PP and Shields, not Brute shots.

I didn't know they recovered every weapon on Reach. You still haven't proved there were no Brutes on Reach. You only provided evidence that Brutes did not play a significant role wherever Whitcomb's search parties looked.

Still waiting on that headcount.

Btw, what page was that?

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  • 11.09.2009 12:36 PM PDT

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I'd like to see Brutes on Reach. It's a great opportunity to see the tension between the Elites and Brutes as it escalates to the great schism.

Oh I do hope Half-Jaw and Tartarus are on Reach.

  • 11.09.2009 12:37 PM PDT

1. brutes were one of the first covenant ever seen by humans.

2. the fall of reach was written before halo 2

3. halo CE was also made before halo 2

4. brutes were not created until halo 2

5. if the makers/writers have not made/heard about brutes then there is no possible way for them to be in a game/book before they are created. it's not a matter of canon, it's just when the games/books were made.

6. new canon > old canon

7. games canon > book canon

8. brutes add variety, bungie would not decrease variety.

9. some people like brutes, i like brutes (of the halo 2 variety)

10. i guarantee you that brutes will be in Reach, they may not be the same as they are now, but they will be in.


i would be very unhappy if the chopper was removed, as it is my second favorite vehicle. (next to the warthog, of course)

[Edited on 11.09.2009 12:43 PM PST]

  • 11.09.2009 12:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: TruSalvationn
When cheif dropped to the surface to search for survivors he noticed Admiral Whitcomb which I qoute said "We have sent teams out hit and run teams to keep busy, Recovering Enemie weapons noting a couple of PP and Shields, not Brute shots.

I didn't know they recovered every weapon on Reach. You still haven't proved there were no Brutes on Reach. You only provided evidence that Brutes did not play a significant role wherever Whitcomb's search parties looked.

Still waiting on that headcount.

Btw, what page was that?

Don't know what page but it was in Section II "RESCUE"

  • 11.09.2009 12:43 PM PDT

Posted by: dangerbyrnes
1. brutes were one of the first covenant ever seen by humans.

2. the fall of reach was written before halo 2

3. halo CE was also made before halo 2

4. brutes were not created until halo 2

5. if the makers/writers have not made/heard about brutes then there is no possible way for them to be in a game/book before they are created. it's not a matter of canon, it's just when the games/books were made.

6. new canon > old canon

7. games canon > book canon

8. brutes add variety, bungie would not decrease variety.

9. some people like brutes, i like brutes (of the halo 2 variety)

10. i guarantee you that brutes will be in Reach, they may not be the same as they are now, but they will be in.


i would be very unhappy if the chopper was removed, as it is my second favorite vehicle. (next to the warthog, of course)

Well that proves bungie will pick quanity over quality to fit the need of the people who have grown fond of elites and are too much of a -blam!- to want to kill them again so Bungie will add Brutes.

  • 11.09.2009 12:47 PM PDT

There is nothing wrong with Halo:Reach. We all just have our gripes about everything we don't like. Not liking something doesn't make it broken.

I want the Chopper. But I want this to happen to it.

Changes:

#1 - Double boost time.

#2 - Completely remove the cannons.

#3 - Make the Vehicle light. Hitting a ramp or such will really send you flying.



Without Cannons it has specific weaknesses. The extra boost will serve to make this vehicle specialize in Vehicle splattering. Making it lighter when it jumps is for both entertainment purposes and to make the vehicle a little more of a pain to control. It can still be overpowered splattering, but without cannons and with a slightly harder to drive variant you could have an 'early' version of the vehicle exist in multiplayer and it would be fine.

I believe it simply needs to be harder to drive. If it was, the skilled drivers would still get kills while other people in more maneuverable vehicle would be able to avoid death with some skill on their end. The removal of the "LOL I FLIP U" cannon would even further add to this.

  • 11.09.2009 12:54 PM PDT

There is nothing wrong with Halo:Reach. We all just have our gripes about everything we don't like. Not liking something doesn't make it broken.

Posted by: flamedude
I'd like to see Brutes on Reach. It's a great opportunity to see the tension between the Elites and Brutes as it escalates to the great schism.

Oh I do hope Half-Jaw and Tartarus are on Reach.


Tartarus is in ODST. You HAVE seen the 'Brute Pimp' right? That was the same Brute who acted as Tartarus.

I guess it is hard to recognize his without the makeup on. Same actor though. Brutes are good at acting out multiple characters.

They only actually had twelve brute actors in firefight. That's how talented they are at doing multiple parts.

  • 11.09.2009 12:57 PM PDT
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Choppers sucked.

  • 11.09.2009 1:01 PM PDT

There is nothing wrong with Halo:Reach. We all just have our gripes about everything we don't like. Not liking something doesn't make it broken.

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Choppers sucked.


Only if you sucked at driving them.

  • 11.09.2009 1:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: TruSalvationn
1. Borders
2. Common Sense from TFOR
3. Bungie produced the books.

Good god, were this an english class and your teacher expected you to clearly back up your reasoning with evidence, you would fail miserably.

Of course the books came from borders. In which book and in what quote does it say that there was never a single brute on Reach?

Likewise, instead of being a smartass and saying "common sense", can you explain more clearly? Because the way I see it, in the Fall of Reach, sure, none of the protagonists saw a Brute, however, the book was not written in the view point of each and every spartan. It is possible that one or more of the spartans unnamed by the book and who's adventures and ultimate fate were note explored by the book could have fought against a few groups of brutes. Its pretty likely that we will end up playing as these unnamed spartans. So no, the books do not confirm that brutes won't be in the game.

Bungie didn't write the books, they consider it's contents canon however. But as I just explained, the books never say that there were absolutely no Brutes on Reach. And Bungie hasn't come out in their weekly updates and said "There were no brutes on Reach" either.

Ok, you are correct. Brutes were on reach. But they were in Camo so that's why when Fred and Kelly were flying over the valley they saw thousands of Covenant forces Tons of jackals and grunts, and hundreds of elites. All going in and out of the Cruiser's grav lift above. Never one theroy about a Hairy gorilla looking covenant. Unless they were all in Camo....YOUR ARGUMENT IS POINTLESS! I BET $100! there will be no BRUTES in Halo:Reach K?
Take the bet Hylebos! This guy can't think out of the box from which he was put after he read the Halo books.

  • 11.09.2009 1:22 PM PDT

There is nothing wrong with Halo:Reach. We all just have our gripes about everything we don't like. Not liking something doesn't make it broken.

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Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: TruSalvationn
1. Borders
2. Common Sense from TFOR
3. Bungie produced the books.

Good god, were this an english class and your teacher expected you to clearly back up your reasoning with evidence, you would fail miserably.

Of course the books came from borders. In which book and in what quote does it say that there was never a single brute on Reach?

Likewise, instead of being a smartass and saying "common sense", can you explain more clearly? Because the way I see it, in the Fall of Reach, sure, none of the protagonists saw a Brute, however, the book was not written in the view point of each and every spartan. It is possible that one or more of the spartans unnamed by the book and who's adventures and ultimate fate were note explored by the book could have fought against a few groups of brutes. Its pretty likely that we will end up playing as these unnamed spartans. So no, the books do not confirm that brutes won't be in the game.

Bungie didn't write the books, they consider it's contents canon however. But as I just explained, the books never say that there were absolutely no Brutes on Reach. And Bungie hasn't come out in their weekly updates and said "There were no brutes on Reach" either.

Ok, you are correct. Brutes were on reach. But they were in Camo so that's why when Fred and Kelly were flying over the valley they saw thousands of Covenant forces Tons of jackals and grunts, and hundreds of elites. All going in and out of the Cruiser's grav lift above. Never one theroy about a Hairy gorilla looking covenant. Unless they were all in Camo....YOUR ARGUMENT IS POINTLESS! I BET $100! there will be no BRUTES in Halo:Reach K?
Take the bet Hylebos! This guy can't think out of the box from which he was put after he read the Halo books.


Why does everyone seem to think this game is a carbon copy of the book? Bungie never announced it, or am I mistaken?

  • 11.09.2009 1:24 PM PDT