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Subject: The way to balance the Spartan Laser.
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Posted by: LinkLegend0
I say make it more of a weapon against people instead of vehicles.

Also, vehicles ARE balanced in Halo 3 perfectly, not underpowered at all.


Vehicles are in no way balanced in Halo 3. Play any big team battle game and try to drive a vehicle without being lasered within 30 seconds.

  • 11.09.2009 3:42 PM PDT

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No the Laser is easy to avoid. It is fine the way it is.

  • 11.09.2009 3:44 PM PDT
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I think the SL isnt over powered and I respect your oppinion.The spartan laser I dont think needs to be changed cause not everyone is perfect with it.The laser if anything I thnik must be slightly underpowerd because during this time frame I dont think that they got all the kinks out of it.So mabye either a longer reload time or less ammo.It doesn't need to be under powerd.Think about if you in the campain and you find a spartan laser.You have been chased by a ewraith for 15 minutes now and all of a sudden the laser dosent have enough ammo to kill it!

This can be good or bad just depending on whos side your on.On the gunners end he/she most likely will kill you.The recieving end just feels bad.And the post asking to tone down the laser is like being a sore loser.You must be mad because you keep getting killed with it.

  • 11.09.2009 3:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: bungieisbroken


You admitted that it's your favorite weapon so your obviously going to be biased towards it.

I've also seen games where people achieve 20+ kills with the spartan laser counting towards half.

Also, if you shoot at the right spot, it only takes 1 shot to take out the tanks.[/quote]

Im def biased towards it, but not necessarily opposed to it being altered. Im just saying the vehicles are just as powerful, and toning down the laser will give them even more of an advantage since the other weapons you mentioned aren't as powerful hog deterents as the laser is. I don't doubt people get 20 plus kills with lasers a game, hell im that person, but I also know how to maximize the laser potential, th people who get 20 plus laser kills probably also got 8 double kills from blowing up hogs alone, thats 16 k right there. Hit the banshee three times and four people running around aimlessly and your there. It's not the laser its the man behind the laser. Same thing with the hog, if your driver sucks, your not going to do well, if your driver is pro- like me- the gunner will get lots of kills unless they are BK. I get the sense yo u love to hog, which is cool cuz I too, but I like to drive more than gun, but I admit the second I see a laser when Im driving I get out just b/c I don't want to die, that's just using good judgement. I know what you mean about the tanks, I have killed them in one shot before but I dont know where that spot is, and think when it happens its becuase its already been weakened to the point that it only takes one to kill. They def take two rocks to bring down when not damaged at all.


The only anti-vehile weapon in Halo 2 was the homing rocket and vehicles were pretty balanced.

In Halo 3 they added the laser, missle pod, trip mine, and power drainer.

Weakening the laser will give vehilces a chance without having them overpowered.


The Gauss Hog is one hit kill, just like the laser. How is that not fair? The Gauss hog can also shoot three rounds in the amount of time it takes to get off one laser blast. The guass hog has infinite ammo, the laser has five shots. the warthog turret, within a certain range, which is ample, can kill a laser user faster than the laser can charge. I bet it takes less time to kill two people within a certain distance with the machine gun hog than it does to charge one shot. If anything, tone down the whips and make laser more powerful. Laser should have ten rounds, shoot as fast as the shotgun, people take one hit, warthogs take two shots, tanks take three. unless weakened.

  • 11.09.2009 3:46 PM PDT

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I love this idea. It always pisses me off, players hanging back and just using the laser and BR. Every time it seems like he/she should be out, the person mysteriously gets another laser. I love vehicle combat, and it doesn't happen too often anymore.

  • 11.09.2009 3:47 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

Posted by: maxzy
Posted by: LinkLegend0
I say make it more of a weapon against people instead of vehicles.

Also, vehicles ARE balanced in Halo 3 perfectly, not underpowered at all.


Vehicles are in no way balanced in Halo 3. Play any big team battle game and try to drive a vehicle without being lasered within 30 seconds.

Yeah it easy as hell, do you have any idea how overpowered tanks are? Warthogs are perfectly fine to, I've had my team get destroyed by a warthog countless times.

Your making it seem like every vehicle gets shot down with a laser and that they are a death trap, not true at all.

  • 11.09.2009 3:47 PM PDT
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I think the SL isnt over powered and I respect your oppinion.The spartan laser I dont think needs to be changed cause not everyone is perfect with it.The laser if anything I thnik must be slightly underpowerd because during this time frame I dont think that they got all the kinks out of it.So mabye either a longer reload time or less ammo.It doesn't need to be under powerd.Think about if you in the campain and you find a spartan laser.You have been chased by a ewraith for 15 minutes now and all of a sudden the laser dosent have enough ammo to kill it!

This can be good or bad just depending on whos side your on.On the gunners end he/she most likely will kill you.The recieving end just feels bad.And the post asking to tone down the laser is like being a sore loser.You must be mad because you keep getting killed with it.


Campaign does not equal matchmaking. I am saying it is overpowered in Halo 3's matchmaking.

No I am not mad that I keep getting killed by it. There have been many times where I am the one using it and am able to get 6 or 7 kills with it easily.

It's obviously overpowered.

  • 11.09.2009 3:48 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

You can easily take out a laser guy with a sniper, BR, Carbine, or just get close enough to him. The disadvantages are that in close combat the laser won't do very good at all since it has a charge time, and cool down time.

  • 11.09.2009 3:50 PM PDT
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You admitted that it's your favorite weapon so your obviously going to be biased towards it.

I've also seen games where people achieve 20+ kills with the spartan laser counting towards half.

Also, if you shoot at the right spot, it only takes 1 shot to take out the tanks.[/quote]

Im def biased towards it, but not necessarily opposed to it being altered. Im just saying the vehicles are just as powerful, and toning down the laser will give them even more of an advantage since the other weapons you mentioned aren't as powerful hog deterents as the laser is. I don't doubt people get 20 plus kills with lasers a game, hell im that person, but I also know how to maximize the laser potential, th people who get 20 plus laser kills probably also got 8 double kills from blowing up hogs alone, thats 16 k right there. Hit the banshee three times and four people running around aimlessly and your there. It's not the laser its the man behind the laser. Same thing with the hog, if your driver sucks, your not going to do well, if your driver is pro- like me- the gunner will get lots of kills unless they are BK. I get the sense yo u love to hog, which is cool cuz I too, but I like to drive more than gun, but I admit the second I see a laser when Im driving I get out just b/c I don't want to die, that's just using good judgement. I know what you mean about the tanks, I have killed them in one shot before but I dont know where that spot is, and think when it happens its becuase its already been weakened to the point that it only takes one to kill. They def take two rocks to bring down when not damaged at all.


The only anti-vehile weapon in Halo 2 was the homing rocket and vehicles were pretty balanced.

In Halo 3 they added the laser, missle pod, trip mine, and power drainer.

Weakening the laser will give vehilces a chance without having them overpowered.


The Gauss Hog is one hit kill, just like the laser. How is that not fair? The Gauss hog can also shoot three rounds in the amount of time it takes to get off one laser blast. The guass hog has infinite ammo, the laser has five shots. the warthog turret, within a certain range, which is ample, can kill a laser user faster than the laser can charge. I bet it takes less time to kill two people within a certain distance with the machine gun hog than it does to charge one shot. If anything, tone down the whips and make laser more powerful. Laser should have ten rounds, shoot as fast as the shotgun, people take one hit, warthogs take two shots, tanks take three. unless weakened.


The only gametype where the gauss is used is heavies and is overpowered as well.

There are many weapons that are anti-vehicle while at the range that the spartan laser is normally used, the onyl weapon that can take it out is the snipers.

  • 11.09.2009 3:53 PM PDT

Posted by: TaterTot623
How bout' no equipment and no Spartan Lazer. And JUST a tracking rocket because me and my friends LOVED that, and we hated the Lazer, its Overkill!


i like every thing but the overkill there is no such thing but except if you made the splazer full auto with imfinate ammo beacuse your hooked up to the big generator that powerd the MAC cannons above reach now that would be over kill *laughs meniacly* and I know i cant spell

  • 11.09.2009 3:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: LinkLegend0
I say make it more of a weapon against people instead of vehicles.

Also, vehicles ARE balanced in Halo 3 perfectly, not underpowered at all.


Vehicles are in no way balanced in Halo 3. Play any big team battle game and try to drive a vehicle without being lasered within 30 seconds.


that's not the game's fault thats operator error. Dont take teh vehicle during the first two min of the game because people like me who rush laser like people rush sniper know people like you are dumb enough to try a hog run during the first 30 seconds of the game. Not trying to be rude, just want you to realize that no halo strategy is 100 percent effective 100 percent of the time, except for lasering noobs who get in the hog the first 30 seconds of the game. All the times you went for the hog instead of laser you could have gotten so many more double and triple kills than you would have in the vehicles. Don't do the same thing everytime, have three or four different attack strategies for every map. On sandtrap, if I don't get laser right off, I go snipe, If I don't get that, I rush bubble shield and hammer and camp the undergrounds of the other base. IN the amount of time it takes me to do that, the other team has probably used their laser and had their vehicles respawn, which I steal and take to my team. I also know respawn times will try to steal enemy weapon from them just to keep up the pwn. You gotta learn to be ruthless coldblooded killer in halo. No mercy. no quarter. no victory. The weapons are all devestating if used properly, you must unlearn what you have learned.

  • 11.09.2009 3:54 PM PDT

the spartan lazer is not overpowered because if you want to win the match and you aRE working well as a team then whoevers on a team that wants to go all ape**it on some enimies with a hog then that persons teamates will get the lazer and protect. the way to counteract the lazer is by sniping or solid flankinig. stop complaing about everything cause you have no skill and cant work as a team

  • 11.09.2009 3:59 PM PDT

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How about we take away the laser scope. Let it keep it's 5 shots, but make it so that it drains your shields in order to fire. Literally making it a spartan laser. Also, if you had no shields you couldn't fire it.

It's so overpowered.

  • 11.09.2009 3:59 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

Posted by: privet caboose
How about we take away the laser scope. Let it keep it's 5 shots, but make it so that it drains your shields in order to fire. Literally making it a spartan laser. Also, if you had no shields you couldn't fire it.

It's so overpowered.

Thats got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

No one would want to use a retarded weapon that lowers your shields, has charge time, has no scope, and only has 5 shots.

Its not overpowered.

  • 11.09.2009 4:01 PM PDT

actually that would be pretty cool if it drained your shields

  • 11.09.2009 4:02 PM PDT
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EXTREME PREJUDICE

Posted by: maxzy
B) Similar to the Plasma Pistol, when the Spartan Laser is being charged make it take up battery.

I like this idea.

  • 11.09.2009 4:03 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

Posted by: wrestlemaniac54
actually that would be pretty cool if it drained your shields

Wow, your stupid too.

  • 11.09.2009 4:08 PM PDT

no i completeky <3 the lazer but if they HAD to change the lazer for reach then that would be the one things that would be good for me

  • 11.09.2009 4:12 PM PDT

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OR slayer games entirely kill the splaser while, objective games get an splaser with more penetration...

since true vehicle combat is missed..

[Edited on 11.09.2009 4:14 PM PST]

  • 11.09.2009 4:12 PM PDT
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EXTREME PREJUDICE

Posted by: LinkLegend0
Posted by: wrestlemaniac54
actually that would be pretty cool if it drained your shields

Wow, your stupid too.

He has the right to an opinion. You should respect it.

  • 11.09.2009 4:12 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

Posted by: wrestlemaniac54
no i completeky <3 the lazer but if they HAD to change the lazer for reach then that would be the one things that would be good for me

Do you have an idea how stupid that idea is?

You fire the laser and you lose all your shields...why the -blam!- you want that? It would be a suicide weapon, you would just get BRed and die right after you fire, thats just stupid.

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  • 11.09.2009 4:14 PM PDT

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Since this is reach the Splazer shouldnt have even been invented yet, hopefully we wont have to worry about that being a problem.

  • 11.09.2009 4:16 PM PDT

YES I KNOW that the lazer is a fine weapon how it is. But it gives a cool startegy for some people. But they redid the lazer for reach anyway

  • 11.09.2009 4:18 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

Posted by: matman25402
Since this is reach the Splazer shouldnt have even been invented yet, hopefully we wont have to worry about that being a problem.

Actually it WAS invented, just because it wasn't in Halo 2 or Halo 1 doesn't mean it wasn't invented.

  • 11.09.2009 4:19 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: LinkLegend0
Posted by: privet caboose
How about we take away the laser scope. Let it keep it's 5 shots, but make it so that it drains your shields in order to fire. Literally making it a spartan laser. Also, if you had no shields you couldn't fire it.

It's so overpowered.

Thats got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

No one would want to use a retarded weapon that lowers your shields, has charge time, has no scope, and only has 5 shots.

Its not overpowered.



HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAA.

NOT OVERPOWERED? The Laser makes Valhalla an infantry map. It's supposed to be a spiritual successor of Coagulation, which was ALL about vehicle combat. I guarantee you that if instead of a laser in the center, they had rockets, valhalla would play completely different. The Laser destroys the entire point of vehicles, and it becomes a race to control the one power weapon. The team the controls the laser will usually win the match. It's ridiculously overpowered.

  • 11.09.2009 4:22 PM PDT