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Subject: The way to balance the Spartan Laser.

Were it so easy.

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: LinkLegend0
Posted by: privet caboose
How about we take away the laser scope. Let it keep it's 5 shots, but make it so that it drains your shields in order to fire. Literally making it a spartan laser. Also, if you had no shields you couldn't fire it.

It's so overpowered.

Thats got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

No one would want to use a retarded weapon that lowers your shields, has charge time, has no scope, and only has 5 shots.

Its not overpowered.



HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAA.

NOT OVERPOWERED? The Laser makes Valhalla an infantry map. It's supposed to be a spiritual successor of Coagulation, which was ALL about vehicle combat. I guarantee you that if instead of a laser in the center, they had rockets, valhalla would play completely different. The Laser destroys the entire point of vehicles, and it becomes a race to control the one power weapon. The team the controls the laser will usually win the match. It's ridiculously overpowered.

I don't know what game your playing, but the team with the warthog, gunner and all usually gets a ton of kills. The laser is fought over and the person who ends up getting it usually gets snipes and BRed before he can fire.

  • 11.09.2009 4:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: LinkLegend0
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no i completeky <3 the lazer but if they HAD to change the lazer for reach then that would be the one things that would be good for me

Do you have an idea how stupid that idea is?

You fire the laser and you lose all your shields...why the -blam!- you want that? It would be a suicide weapon, you would just get BRed and die right after you fire, thats just stupid.

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A troll in possession of food is in want of more food...

But, anyways it emphasizes team work though... so yeah...

  • 11.09.2009 4:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: LinkLegend0
Posted by: privet caboose
How about we take away the laser scope. Let it keep it's 5 shots, but make it so that it drains your shields in order to fire. Literally making it a spartan laser. Also, if you had no shields you couldn't fire it.

It's so overpowered.

Thats got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

No one would want to use a retarded weapon that lowers your shields, has charge time, has no scope, and only has 5 shots.

Its not overpowered.



HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAA.

NOT OVERPOWERED? The Laser makes Valhalla an infantry map. It's supposed to be a spiritual successor of Coagulation, which was ALL about vehicle combat. I guarantee you that if instead of a laser in the center, they had rockets, valhalla would play completely different. The Laser destroys the entire point of vehicles, and it becomes a race to control the one power weapon. The team the controls the laser will usually win the match. It's ridiculously overpowered.


Exactly.

  • 11.09.2009 4:31 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

I don't know what game your playing, but the team with the warthog, gunner and all usually gets a ton of kills. The laser is fought over and the person who ends up getting it usually gets snipes and BRed before he can fire.

  • 11.09.2009 4:36 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

You've hardly played Halo 2. That's why you don't know what truly good gameplay is.

(If you want near perfect gameplay pop in Halo CE.)

  • 11.09.2009 4:38 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

Posted by: privet caboose
You've hardly played Halo 2. That's why you don't know what truly good gameplay is.

(If you want near perfect gameplay pop in Halo CE.)

Thats completely irrelevant, I just old you something, that the warthog is much more of a killing machine than the laser on Valhalla, and you completely ignored that. Like everyone I argue with.

You also came up with the dumbest idea for the laser ever so you don't have much credibility.

Also, how do you know if I have hardly played Halo 2?

[Edited on 11.09.2009 4:41 PM PST]

  • 11.09.2009 4:40 PM PDT

yeah they could tone it down a bit but, if they take it away what will happin to
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NOT OVERPOWERED? The Laser makes Valhalla an infantry map. It's supposed to be a spiritual successor of Coagulation, which was ALL about vehicle combat. I guarantee you that if instead of a laser in the center, they had rockets, valhalla would play completely different. The Laser destroys the entire point of vehicles, and it becomes a race to control the one power weapon. The team the controls the laser will usually win the match. It's ridiculously overpowered.

it depends on whos using it...

Ex. A you have lvl 50 guy who practices with lazewr 24/7, of course hez gonna get many killz with it.

Ex. B you have brand new player who knowz lazer is good but sucks and he haz it will who knows how bad it would be??

  • 11.09.2009 4:42 PM PDT

Its a trap!!!

Posted by: maxzy
Posted by: Madara Umezawa
One laser on a map. Control the laser or forget your 2 man warthog show. All 4 players or 5 in scocial have to play well. Not just 2 guys in a armored vehicle

dont complain about the laser if your teamwork isnt as good as the other teams

so get map control and weapon control then n00b it with the vehicle cirling the map for easy kills.

That mai friend iz called strategy lolz


Winning the game should not be "whoever controls the 1 weapon in the center of the map".


clearly you miss the whole point. Winning the game is team work. Teamwork is all about team shooting, Set up strategy and organized rushes to power weapons.

That is just a smart tacticful way to win.

Tell me why 2 people who get into a warthog should be instantly rewarded when their teamates don't play this way?

  • 11.09.2009 4:42 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: LinkLegend0

Thats completely irrelevant, I just old you something, that the warthog is much more of a killing machine than the laser on Valhalla, and you completely ignored that. Like everyone I argue with.


No. It's not completely irrelevant. I'm not ignoring your comment for the hell of it. I ignored it because it's not true. Anybody knows that any competent player can overpower a warthog with a laser.

You also came up with the dumbest idea for the laser ever so you don't have much credibility.

Need credibility? Maybe you should check out some of my previous posts. Most notably my 95 page topic. Plus, "dumbest idea ever" is an opinion anyway. But that's what forums are all about anyway, expressing ideas and opinions.

Also, how do you know if I have hardly played Halo 2?

I clicked your profile.

Halo 2 games played. -5.

  • 11.09.2009 4:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: LinkLegend0
Posted by: privet caboose
How about we take away the laser scope. Let it keep it's 5 shots, but make it so that it drains your shields in order to fire. Literally making it a spartan laser. Also, if you had no shields you couldn't fire it.

It's so overpowered.

Thats got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

No one would want to use a retarded weapon that lowers your shields, has charge time, has no scope, and only has 5 shots.

Its not overpowered.



HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAA.

NOT OVERPOWERED? The Laser makes Valhalla an infantry map. It's supposed to be a spiritual successor of Coagulation, which was ALL about vehicle combat. I guarantee you that if instead of a laser in the center, they had rockets, valhalla would play completely different. The Laser destroys the entire point of vehicles, and it becomes a race to control the one power weapon. The team the controls the laser will usually win the match. It's ridiculously overpowered.


Exactly.

  • 11.09.2009 4:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: LinkLegend0
Posted by: privet caboose
You've hardly played Halo 2. That's why you don't know what truly good gameplay is.

(If you want near perfect gameplay pop in Halo CE.)

Thats completely irrelevant, I just old you something, that the warthog is much more of a killing machine than the laser on Valhalla, and you completely ignored that. Like everyone I argue with.

You also came up with the dumbest idea for the laser ever so you don't have much credibility.

Also, how do you know if I have hardly played Halo 2?


The reason why people ignore you is because most of your arguements are misguided and all of your posts involve pointless insults.

The reason why he thinks you have barely played Halo 2 is because if you had, it would be obvious to you that the Spartan Laser has ruined vehicle combat.

  • 11.09.2009 4:45 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

Yeah and its not like getting the laser makes you that good anyways, infact, because of the charge time the person with the laser often gets killed the fastest be it by a BR or sniper.

@Maxy: You have not seen my other arguments, when people ignore my points that is because they have no response. Obviously it does not ruin vehicle combat, maybe if you read my damn post, which was what I was getting the other guy to read, you could actually respond, but no, your just proving my point, you have no response like I just stated and which you are proving even when you were trying to disprove what I said about not responding to points.

[Edited on 11.09.2009 4:48 PM PST]

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I like the charging takes down ammo. However, that means if it takes 20 ammo to shoot a vehicle, if you fall below 20, no shot would go off. I'd propose adding to this system a partial damage laser. If you charge it for X amount of time, it does XY damage (time charged times a base amount of damage). That would add a lot of strategy to the laser.

However, I don't like the laser all that much any way. It's too easy to snipe people with and it kills vehicles way too easily. I liked the homing rockets from H2. The idiots wasted the rockets against a good driver, the smart players waited for the perfect timing to use them. It took a good rocketeer to hit a vehicle, and a good pilot to get away from it. The only thing I'd change is to bump up the warning tone. It was near impossible to dodge it in a banshee because you never knew when it was coming.

  • 11.09.2009 4:45 PM PDT

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  • 11.09.2009 4:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: Madara Umezawa
Posted by: maxzy
Posted by: Madara Umezawa
One laser on a map. Control the laser or forget your 2 man warthog show. All 4 players or 5 in scocial have to play well. Not just 2 guys in a armored vehicle

dont complain about the laser if your teamwork isnt as good as the other teams

so get map control and weapon control then n00b it with the vehicle cirling the map for easy kills.

That mai friend iz called strategy lolz


Winning the game should not be "whoever controls the 1 weapon in the center of the map".


clearly you miss the whole point. Winning the game is team work. Teamwork is all about team shooting, Set up strategy and organized rushes to power weapons.

That is just a smart tacticful way to win.

Tell me why 2 people who get into a warthog should be instantly rewarded when their teamates don't play this way?


Tell me why 1 player with the Spartan Laser should be rewarded with 10 double kills.

  • 11.09.2009 4:47 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

Posted by: maxzy
Posted by: Madara Umezawa
Posted by: maxzy
Posted by: Madara Umezawa
One laser on a map. Control the laser or forget your 2 man warthog show. All 4 players or 5 in scocial have to play well. Not just 2 guys in a armored vehicle

dont complain about the laser if your teamwork isnt as good as the other teams

so get map control and weapon control then n00b it with the vehicle cirling the map for easy kills.

That mai friend iz called strategy lolz


Winning the game should not be "whoever controls the 1 weapon in the center of the map".


clearly you miss the whole point. Winning the game is team work. Teamwork is all about team shooting, Set up strategy and organized rushes to power weapons.

That is just a smart tacticful way to win.

Tell me why 2 people who get into a warthog should be instantly rewarded when their teamates don't play this way?


Tell me why 1 player with the Spartan Laser should be rewarded with 10 double kills.

Yeah and its not like getting the laser makes you that good anyways, infact, because of the charge time the person with the laser often gets killed the fastest be it by a BR or sniper.

[Edited on 11.09.2009 4:49 PM PST]

  • 11.09.2009 4:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: fifthderelicte
I like the charging takes down ammo. However, that means if it takes 20 ammo to shoot a vehicle, if you fall below 20, no shot would go off. I'd propose adding to this system a partial damage laser. If you charge it for X amount of time, it does XY damage (time charged times a base amount of damage). That would add a lot of strategy to the laser.

However, I don't like the laser all that much any way. It's too easy to snipe people with and it kills vehicles way too easily. I liked the homing rockets from H2. The idiots wasted the rockets against a good driver, the smart players waited for the perfect timing to use them. It took a good rocketeer to hit a vehicle, and a good pilot to get away from it. The only thing I'd change is to bump up the warning tone. It was near impossible to dodge it in a banshee because you never knew when it was coming.


Im glad somebody sensible likes my idea.

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Posted by: LinkLegend0
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actually that would be pretty cool if it drained your shields

Wow, your stupid too.

*Bangs head on wall*

YOU'RE.

  • 11.09.2009 4:50 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

Posted by: Son of Valhalla
Posted by: LinkLegend0
Posted by: wrestlemaniac54
actually that would be pretty cool if it drained your shields

Wow, your stupid too.

*Bangs head on wall*

YOU'RE.

Didn't know the grammar police was in town.

  • 11.09.2009 4:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: LinkLegend0
Yeah and its not like getting the laser makes you that good anyways, infact, because of the charge time the person with the laser often gets killed the fastest be it by a BR or sniper.


When do you ever see a player standing in the open for the full 3 second charge time. What happens 9 times out of 10 is the player will stand behind cover while charging the laser and pop out for a split second to shoot their target. This makes it impossible to kill them with a BR and very hard to snipe them in this amount of time.

  • 11.09.2009 4:52 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

Posted by: maxzy
Posted by: LinkLegend0
Yeah and its not like getting the laser makes you that good anyways, infact, because of the charge time the person with the laser often gets killed the fastest be it by a BR or sniper.


When do you ever see a player standing in the open for the full 3 second charge time. What happens 9 times out of 10 is the player will stand behind cover while charging the laser and pop out for a split second to shoot their target. This makes it impossible to kill them with a BR and very hard to snipe them in this amount of time.

I'm not making a situation up on paper and seeing how it would play out, I'm telling you how it does play out in the actual game.

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P.S. You misspelled xxxxx. If you don't like it, you don't have to play xxxxx. Further violations will likely result in a ban.

Without homing rockets there isn't a great weapon to take out hogs driven by good players. If you remove or nerf the laser enough, those 20+ kills per game will be transferred to vehicles instead of the laser.

Shoot, Nade, Melee. That is Halo's 60 seconds of fun.

I prefer the laser making vehicles dangerous to use rather than vehicles dominating.

[Edited on 11.09.2009 4:54 PM PST]

  • 11.09.2009 4:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: TaterTot623
How bout' no equipment and no Spartan Lazer. And JUST a tracking rocket because me and my friends LOVED that, and we hated the Lazer, its Overkill!
I personally love the spartan lazer. In the right hands it is an extremely deadly weapon, but only for a short time. It has about 5 shots as it is, is only on a hand full of maps, and the spawn time is the same as the ones on the vehicles... which means you will see it mabye twice a game. Now I understand why it can frustrait people, but there are ways of avoiding getting wasted by this, such as jumping, getting in close corners with the holder, or just trying to get your hands on it yourself when it spawns. Sorry for the wall of text

  • 11.09.2009 4:55 PM PDT
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ya, gotta know who you are...

I like the laser a lot, but I understand what you're saying. Me and my friends won't touch a vehicle till we know who has the laser. On maps with vehicles, you can get dominated by a good driver/gunner. The strategy with vehicle maps revolves around who has vehicle and who has anti-vehicle. The strategy only seems to revolve around the laser, but the laser is only dangerous because you're trying to use a vehicle.
Vehicle maps have anti-vehicle weapons. Coagulation sucked, because of vehicles and a lack of anti-vehicle weapons. You had to trek across half the map to get anywhere near the rockets, and you would likely get sniped or BR'd before you could even get there. Without the laser or anything remotely powerful the map gets dominated by vehicles which don't necessarily take any real skill. Having the laser requires strategy, and coordination. Controlling the map and it's assets is how the game works.
What you should be asking yourself is, should there be an anti-laser? Snipes falls into that category, BR works pretty good too. The laser is only as good as the guy carrying it.

What you could suggest is that the laser can only be used once. As in you can only turn it on once, and it stays on. Once someone fires it, power slowly decays from the battery. I'm not sure how realistic it is, but it would keep it from switching hands so often, and keep people from seemingly pulling it out of nowhere right when you and your buddy step into your vehicle. Make it something of a one time use weapon, but have multiple shots like it does. You have to use all of your shots in the allotted time from when you fired your first shot. You would then have to wait for it to respawn. This would make the laser's presence less pronounced, but not hinder it's effectiveness as the anti-vehicle weapon.

  • 11.09.2009 4:55 PM PDT