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Posted by: Crusader
the Laser isn't overpowered because if you say the Laser is overpowered then the Sniper is also and do I hear people complaining about Sniper being overpowered... That's because the sniper doesn't typically take down two people at once. On large maps with primarily warthogs, the laser has the potential for 10 kills easily, more in objective. Furthermore, the sniper takes two shots unless you are very precise and hit in the head. The sniper has a small reticule, making aiming more difficult, and there is often another sniper on the map to counter it.
I'm not saying the laser is hopeless, but that in it's present state, it's overpowered and needs changed, not necessarily being taken out. I'm all for anti-vehicluar weapons, but not one like the laser is now. Make the reticule small, give it some disadvantage (slow the player down, lose battery, two shot hits on vehicles, etc). Yes, the banshee should be tweaked a lot, and maybe the chaingun reduced in damage, but the laser is skilless as it is.
Posted by: Crusader
No,So why cry about the Laser which when properly handled=5kills+ and when you have a sniper which can equal more kills if you are skilled a sniping... I do mean I've seen people reign supreme with a sniper... and no one says that a sniper is OP. And honestly if you know where the Laser is you automatically avoid that place don't you? me personally try to take it out but anyways... The sniper is actually relatively difficult to use, as mentioned above. As far as game balance, you've missed the point I made several times. With the laser you promote, you actually argue against yourself. You hate vehicular combat and think it's cheap, but the laser promotes it! Yes, one side has their vehicles lost because you countered them with the laser, but now your vehicles dominate beyond what they were intended. It is exactly like H2's problem when controlling rockets and vehicles.
Posted by: Crusader
As said by Madara Umezawa...The vehicle part,I've helped my friends get invicible's etc by driving around .... and I tell you here right now that a laser isn't needed to kill a hog and that even someone with a Laser can fail to kill a hog because even in Standoff with the other team having the Laser we managed to get more then 15Kills+ without dying if you know how to avoid it..the thing I hate the most and find the most dangerous are the Grenades/Power Draines or a stealthed person with rockets/Laser. The other team was incompetent. This can be magnified by maps that allow for vehicular spawn killing, like Standoff, but overall, vehicles dominate either because the other team has the laser, or your team is incompetent.
Posted by: Crusader
A laser is avoidable if you know what to look for... If I see a red line on the hog I:either go behind cover or quickly jump out of the hog which has saved my life loads of times, And when I look back at what killed me the most of the time it's got to be the Plasma Grenades, because if you have a proper team they'll make sure the laser isn't available for the other team and even if the other team manages to get the laser they try to down it as quick as possible..that brings me to another point: TEAMWORK if you fail at TEAMWORK you're doomed anyways... I've seen loads of the games where you lose because you lack cohesive attack/defense so I would say TEAMWORK is the most important. AND stop whining about the Laser being OP because even if it is OP there are lots of weapons who are OP in aswell... so before you whine about the Laser take a moment to think and compare weapons to eachother... Lasers are only avoidable by not getting in a vehicle, or permanently staying behind cover until your team takes out the laser. The noise the laser makes and the red line are barely visible/audible. And most of the time the beam isn't on you until the moment of impact, so you have no options other than to avoid vehicles and hope the laser gets wasted on infantry. But by the time the laser's gone, the other team will have killed your vehicles with theirs, so you're hopeless anyway.
Posted by: Crusader
Ahh well...Multiplayer in Halo 3 was fine enough...hated the fact that vehicles couldn't be destroyed in Halo CE.. I just think that as for Reach you have to balance things out and look at the past.. to see what to do in the present/future!
I definitely think there should be counters for vehicles, but they should not look like the laser. The laser takes little/no skill for how much damage it does. It kills vehicular combat for one team easily, while magnifying it for the others. Some of the problem lies in the maps, but the problem is mostly in the laser.
Posted by: GeorgeBaggy
i understand what you're saying but the whole reason bungie added in all those anti-vehicle weapons was because it was always whichever team had control of a vehicle that would easily win the game. there would be endless vehicle sprees that required no skill in halo 1 and 2, and they still happen in halo 3 sometimes despite all the weapons to counter them. the worst maps for that are standoff, valhalla, last resort, and especially high ground where all that stuff is still hardly enough to stop people from getting stupid ghost sprees.
laser and missile pod counter vehicles, but sniper rifle, carbine, and battle rifle counter laser and pod. this means that people in a vehicle rely more on the support of their team instead of being an unstoppable and annoying force
That wasn't because vehicles were so strong and there wasn't a good enough weapon. The problem was that since rockets were the only real antivehicular weapon, and since weapons didn't regenerate when picked up, owning rocks and a vehicle was an automatic win. Rocks magnified the ownning team's vehicles and negated any of the enemy's use of vehicles...kind of like the laser does now. But now, the laser is way more powerful than locking rockets, but at least you have some hope against vehicles with other options.
[Edited on 11.11.2009 5:01 AM PST]