Halo: Reach Forum
This topic has moved here: Subject: Question for Bungie Regarding the Current Banning Spree
  • Subject: Question for Bungie Regarding the Current Banning Spree
Subject: Question for Bungie Regarding the Current Banning Spree

I wish I was still legendary.

Posted by: Achronos


Talking about the contents of said leaks is not strictly against the rules (unless we're talking spoilers or such in text form), but rather is a gray area where you are subject to whether or not a moderator thinks you're just an enthusiastic fan or a prick who wants to ruin things for other people.

/fun police


So essentially, if we wait a few days from now we might be able to talk about (for a non-spoiler example) the new HUD, provided we didn't ruin anything storywise for others, link to the content and that a relatively lenient mod was on?

Just checking, because it seems like a really vague rule in that you say discussion isn't specifically banned yet mods ban for it.

  • 11.09.2009 7:15 PM PDT

Online ID: GriffGraff15

Posted by: llamalizard
Posted by: Achronos


Talking about the contents of said leaks is not strictly against the rules (unless we're talking spoilers or such in text form), but rather is a gray area where you are subject to whether or not a moderator thinks you're just an enthusiastic fan or a prick who wants to ruin things for other people.

/fun police


So essentially, if we wait a few days from now we might be able to talk about (for a non-spoiler example) the new HUD, provided we didn't ruin anything storywise for others, link to the content and that a relatively lenient mod was on?

Just checking, because it seems like a really vague rule in that you say discussion isn't specifically banned yet mods ban for it.


this why it's called a "grey area"

  • 11.09.2009 7:17 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Your friendly and eccentric Sangheili forum-poster. :)

Posted by: Frost1691 1691
Posted by: Achronos
even if the leaked info is FAKE
That particular bit is either a hint, or just a general statement...

Could be, but then again I've heard of people trying to "loophole" their way out of bans because said "leaked info" was fake before.

  • 11.09.2009 7:18 PM PDT

I wish I was still legendary.

Posted by: westpointusma15
Posted by: llamalizard
Posted by: Achronos


Talking about the contents of said leaks is not strictly against the rules (unless we're talking spoilers or such in text form), but rather is a gray area where you are subject to whether or not a moderator thinks you're just an enthusiastic fan or a prick who wants to ruin things for other people.

/fun police


So essentially, if we wait a few days from now we might be able to talk about (for a non-spoiler example) the new HUD, provided we didn't ruin anything storywise for others, link to the content and that a relatively lenient mod was on?

Just checking, because it seems like a really vague rule in that you say discussion isn't specifically banned yet mods ban for it.


this why it's called a "grey area"


I know, but if the site's going to have a rule on leaked content it might as well be clear rather than vague.

For example, instead of the current 'oh, maybe you can talk about it if the right mod is on but I'm not sure if they'd let you' ,it should be either NO discussion at all, no STORYLINE spoilers, or no linking to spoilers/putting them in your post but discussion is allowed.

  • 11.09.2009 7:20 PM PDT

Posted by: Frost1691 1691
Posted by: Achronos
even if the leaked info is FAKE
That particular bit is either a hint, or just a general statement...


People have posted crappy "fake" leaks every day for months now and were seldom if ever banned... the fact that this one spurred such an ridiculous amount of bans and locks (not to mention the amount of media coverage) speaks volumes.

[Edited on 11.09.2009 7:24 PM PST]

  • 11.09.2009 7:23 PM PDT

How to spell "space"?

S-P-ACE! SPACE!

I think they're fake, and that Bungie is trying to stop the spread of false information.

  • 11.09.2009 7:26 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

Posted by: Frost1691 1691
Posted by: Achronos
even if the leaked info is FAKE
That particular bit is either a hint, or just a general statement...

I'm pretty sure he just saying that as a general rule.

  • 11.09.2009 7:30 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Legendary Member

Just call me Najar.

Posted by: Honourable Elite
Posted by: Frost1691 1691
Posted by: Achronos
even if the leaked info is FAKE
That particular bit is either a hint, or just a general statement...

Could be, but then again I've heard of people trying to "loophole" their way out of bans because said "leaked info" was fake before.


maybe both? :0

  • 11.09.2009 7:30 PM PDT

Posted by: Achilles1108
I swear if somebody sigs me I will rip their face off.

Posted by: Achronos
Linking to places to get leaked assets (text, images, or otherwise), even if the leaked info is FAKE will get you permanently banned. Period. Do not expect me to feel sorry for you.

Talking about the contents of said leaks is not strictly against the rules (unless we're talking spoilers or such in text form), but rather is a gray area where you are subject to whether or not a moderator thinks you're just an enthusiastic fan or a prick who wants to ruin things for other people. Expect appeals of "it was just a joke" or "i'm just excited about the game" to probably fall on deaf ears.

A good rule of thumb is to not be the first guy making threads about a leak. The moderators tend to take a ban first, ask questions later approach for a few days to make sure the message that leaks aren't tolerated is VERY clear. By the same token, though, just because you see other people talking about it doesn't make it okay. Frustrating, I know, but that's why it is called a "gray area". I suggest keeping such discussion to your groups and other places on the Internet until you know for sure the mods are okay with it.

/fun police
O_o
It think I am going to leave my comments out of this forum from now on...

  • 11.09.2009 7:31 PM PDT

i'd be mad if i were them

[Edited on 11.09.2009 7:43 PM PST]

  • 11.09.2009 7:42 PM PDT

Posted by: Hotrod3193
There are rules, and they must be followed. If Bungie doesnt want people talking about leaked info on their forums then dont talk about it, there are other forums where they can chit chat about them.
"...bears...beats...battlestar galactica."

Sorry, you reminded me of someone

  • 11.09.2009 7:45 PM PDT

52,000 kills in Halo 2 and more legendary playthroughs in CE than you can imagine. I am truly a God.
.................................,-;;-=-,_____
,-------------------------.___/-----i````````'\--`\ .
|-------------xvxvxvxvxvxv--o-~~~~~~o--,\======
|_______|_o_./``/--/`;````~----------------~`
....................../_/`` BR-55

Posted by: Riddle oXo
Dear Bungie

I'm a long time halo fan and am really looking forward to Reach next year and I'm sure it will be well worth the wait. Recently we've caught a glimpse of some "Leaked footage" and now I hear that the forum population is getting hammer whacked.
My question to you is Y. The genital man who took the photos obviously did something wrong and i can understand that HE needs to be punished but we are the halo fans that just want tidbits of info just to hold us till release date. So needless to say I'm a little confused at how you are treating your fan base because they are simple excited and want to discuss your up coming game And if the photos are not legit y not just say so instead of not commenting.
Anyway thats my 2 cents can't wait for Reach!


I kinda agree in some cases but not in the case were these kids make six hundred posts about these screens.

  • 11.09.2009 7:47 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Here's how I handle the grey area. Other mods may be different.

This is a post I'll ban you for.
Posted by: Jackass
hay guyz i kno u cant link teh picz here so im gunna tell u wat tehy show lol (insert detailed description of leaked material down to minute details, including possible story spoilers). wtf bungee teh grahpicz r bad

This is a post that I would leave alone.
Posted by: Normal Person
hey guys, what do you think of this supposed "perks" feature? and what do you think that new Covenant weapon is?

  • 11.09.2009 7:51 PM PDT

52,000 kills in Halo 2 and more legendary playthroughs in CE than you can imagine. I am truly a God.
.................................,-;;-=-,_____
,-------------------------.___/-----i````````'\--`\ .
|-------------xvxvxvxvxvxv--o-~~~~~~o--,\======
|_______|_o_./``/--/`;````~----------------~`
....................../_/`` BR-55

Posted by: Nedus
Here's how I handle the grey area. Other mods may be different.

This is a post I'll ban you for.
Posted by: Jackass
hay guyz i kno u cant link teh picz here so im gunna tell u Wait tehy show lol (insert detailed description of leaked material down to minute details, including possible story spoilers). wtf bungee teh grahpicz r bad

This is a post that I would leave alone.
Posted by: Normal Person
hey guys, what do you think of this supposed "perks" feature? and what do you think that new Covenant weapon is?



Hahaha. That's pretty funny, so grammar and politeness? Those are must haves.

  • 11.09.2009 8:01 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Spoilers are the main thing you want to avoid, especially later on down the line when story details tend to be revealed to the press in magazines.

  • 11.09.2009 8:05 PM PDT

I hate any spoilers about the story, but I'm fine with any about new eapons and such.

Anyway thanks Nedus, I wouldn't have it any other way ;)

  • 11.09.2009 8:07 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

I'm one with the warrior inside. The evidence can't be denied. The entire world will stare. Into this battlefield tonight. As I stand before you with a warrior's heart now. I can feel the strength that will Ensure my victory this time

Posted by: Nedus
Spoilers are the main thing you want to avoid, especially later on down the line when story details tend to be revealed to the press in magazines.

But people post fake spoilers all the time. Most of them aren't even worth looking at, but the point is, They don't get punished. What makes these supposed "Leaked" Reach pics any different? If they were fake, Mods shouldn't give a perma-ban. If they were real, a perma-ban is VERY nessesary. So either they were real (I really, REALLY hope not) and that's why people got banned, or Mods just didn't want false information to be spread around the forums. So which one is it?
An example of posts made here:
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=38816155. I haven't actually looked at it, but that's not the point.

[Edited on 11.09.2009 8:13 PM PST]

  • 11.09.2009 8:10 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Posted by: Nedus
Here's how I handle the grey area. Other mods may be different.

This is a post I'll ban you for.
Posted by: Jackass
hay guyz i kno u cant link teh picz here so im gunna tell u wat tehy show lol (insert detailed description of leaked material down to minute details, including possible story spoilers). wtf bungee teh grahpicz r bad

This is a post that I would leave alone.
Posted by: Normal Person
hey guys, what do you think of this supposed "perks" feature? and what do you think that new Covenant weapon is?



I laughed at the "Posted by Jackass"

Nice explanation, sir.

  • 11.09.2009 8:20 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

I'm one with the warrior inside. The evidence can't be denied. The entire world will stare. Into this battlefield tonight. As I stand before you with a warrior's heart now. I can feel the strength that will Ensure my victory this time

Posted by: Nedus
Here's how I handle the grey area. Other mods may be different.

This is a post I'll ban you for.
Posted by: Jackass
hay guyz i kno u cant link teh picz here so im gunna tell u wat tehy show lol (insert detailed description of leaked material down to minute details, including possible story spoilers). wtf bungee teh grahpicz r bad

This is a post that I would leave alone.
Posted by: Normal Person
hey guys, what do you think of this supposed "perks" feature? and what do you think that new Covenant weapon is?


Look at what I underlined. That's proof that they're fake. Why? Reach should have MUCH better graphics than those. So why would someone get Perma-Banned for posting those pictures?

  • 11.09.2009 8:23 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

Posted by: magog_rules
What makes these supposed "Leaked" Reach pics any different? If they were fake, Mods shouldn't give a perma-ban. If they were real, a perma-ban is VERY nessesary. So either they were real (I really, REALLY hope not) and that's why people got banned, or Mods just didn't want false information to be spread around the forums. So which one is it?

None of the mods know if the screens are real or not, and it doesn't matter anyway. If they're fake, we're preventing false information from being spread. If they're real, we're preventing leaked material from being distributed on Bungie's website. It's not our responsibility to confirm authenticity of any alleged leaks; we just clean them up. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Stop thinking in black and white.

Furthermore, this is where you have to put it into context. Let's say someone posted a supposed spoiler like a week after the Reach announcement trailer at E3. Would that strike you as anything but fake?

Now, let's fast forward to say...May/June 2010. By now, the Reach beta will probably be in full swing (this is purely my guess, nothing more), maybe a couple sites/mags (most likely French) had a hands-on with the game or eyes-on with the campaign. Someone posting spoilers at this time should be taken much more seriously, since more and more people outside Bungie are seeing the game, and this increases the chance of a genuine leak.

[Edited on 11.09.2009 8:32 PM PST]

  • 11.09.2009 8:27 PM PDT

A large man

Posted by: Nedus
Posted by: magog_rules
What makes these supposed "Leaked" Reach pics any different? If they were fake, Mods shouldn't give a perma-ban. If they were real, a perma-ban is VERY nessesary. So either they were real (I really, REALLY hope not) and that's why people got banned, or Mods just didn't want false information to be spread around the forums. So which one is it?

None of the mods know if the screens are real or not, and it doesn't matter anyway. If they're fake, we're preventing false information from being spread. If they're real, we're preventing leaked material from being distributed on Bungie's website. It's not our responsibility to confirm authenticity of any alleged leaks; we just clean them up. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Stop thinking in black and white.

Furthermore, this is where you have to put it into context. Let's say someone posted a supposed spoiler like a week after the Reach announcement trailer at E3. Would that strike you as anything but fake?

Now, let's fast forward to say...May/June 2010. By now, the Reach beta will probably be in full swing (this is purely my guess, nothing more), maybe a couple sites/mags had a hands-on with the game or eyes-on with the campaign. Someone posting spoilers at this time should be taken much more seriously, since more and more people outside Bungie are seeing the game, and this increases the chance of a genuine leak.


It would be very helpful to have this in the forum rules sticky, much more straighforward

  • 11.09.2009 8:30 PM PDT

Posted by: Domasin
Posted by: grean slime
In Soviet Russia, vehicles can last longer that 30 seconds.

In Soviet Russia, cookie win you.

Posted by: Riddle oXo
Dear Bungie
bla-bal-bla
genitals
bla-bla-bla

tehe...
"balls"

  • 11.09.2009 8:32 PM PDT

I don't want to be in your group quit spamming me

Posted by: Nedus
Here's how I handle the grey area. Other mods may be different.

This is a post I'll ban you for.
Posted by: Jackass
hay guyz i kno u cant link teh picz here so im gunna tell u wat tehy show lol (insert detailed description of leaked material down to minute details, including possible story spoilers). wtf bungee teh grahpicz r bad

This is a post that I would leave alone.
Posted by: Normal Person
hey guys, what do you think of this supposed "perks" feature? and what do you think that new Covenant weapon is?



i've seen a thread get locked for calling the leaked pics "tacos" and asking people what they thought of them (tacos).

isn't saying that the pictures have a perks feature or a new covenant weapon in them the exact definition of a spoiler? there are no story spoilers that can be taken from those pics, so why is everything being banned? based on all the bans happening i think your definition of an "appropriate" post is very wrong.

[edit] a thread saying this, (title: leaked screenshots) "how did that happen...got rats in bungie or what?" just got locked so that proves pure speculation even gets banned.

[Edited on 11.09.2009 8:57 PM PST]

  • 11.09.2009 8:33 PM PDT