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Subject: Canonically, it is possible Reach WON'T have Spartan Laser ETC...

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So alot of people have been saying things like:
"oh, Halo Reach is a prequel to the halo series, and that means less weapons exist, like spartan laser, battle riffle, bubble sheild, spike grenade, ETC, because these things did not exist or were not invented yet in Halo CE, or Halo 2..


Others have countered this argument by stating that
the whole Halo CE-Halo 3 timeline only takes place at the end of the war, over a period of 1 or 2 months, when the UNSC was almost completly annihilated, therefore the UNSC couldn't have possibly created the bubble sheild in the 3 week canon gap between Halo 2 and 3, and even if things like the bubble sheild were not deployed to mainstream forces till the Halo 3 timeline, if one were to find the prototype bubble sheild anywhere pre-Halo 3, it would be Reach..


This is a completely legitimate counter, but how do you explain the MJOLNIR?

Let me explain..
The first time the Spartans II's used the MJOLNIR armor, they it was the Mk. IV, on November 2nd, 2525, at the beggining of the UNSC-Covie war.. The next time they upgraded their armor to the new Energy sheiled Mk. V, was 27 years later, on August 30th pretty much during the Battle of Reach (AKA Halo Reach timeline) and the end of the UNSC-Covie war.
Now here is the weird part..
The Gap between the Mk. IV and Mk. V upgrade was 27 years, but only around 2 months later, on October 20th, During the Battle of Earth, Master Chief upgraded to the Mk. VI..
Even though it took UNSC scientists 27 years to make a new upgrade, they were able to upgrade a 2nd time 2 months later despite the destruction of Reach, which should have been a significant setback..

My point it that the UNSC WERE able to develop new tech in the matter or a month or so, so it is very possible we may not see some weapons from Halo 2-3 make a comeback in Halo Reach, im NOT saying they won't, just that it is possible they may not.

and yeah.. but on the other hand, there could have been many prototype weapons and Tech that never survived the Battle of Reach to make a comeback later in the war that we may be able to use.. and yeah..


[Edited on 11.10.2009 5:58 PM PST]

  • 11.10.2009 5:57 PM PDT
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Bungie didn't make weapons according to time period, they made weapons to change up gameplay.

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Realy?!?!

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Hopefully it will at least be available in multiplayer.

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The weapons (as I remember a Halo art book or w/e said) the weapons were created and used in the time of H1 and H2 just you never saw them. Pretty much like the brutes...not there in-game for HaloCE but still existed...basically the same with the weapons.

  • 11.10.2009 6:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Bohrium
Bungie didn't make weapons according to time period, they made weapons to change up gameplay.



yeah i understand that, but the keyword was CANONICALLY..

they coould just take out those certain weapons and replace them with prototype weapon excusive to the Battle of Reach..

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I want to see a Spartan Laser mounted on a warthog

  • 11.10.2009 6:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Bohrium
Bungie didn't make weapons according to time period, they made weapons to change up gameplay.


O Rly?

no I just always have wanted to say that.

  • 11.10.2009 6:04 PM PDT

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I want to see a Spartan Laser mounted on a warthog


wouldnt we all..

  • 11.10.2009 6:05 PM PDT

It is my latest cultural research project! By randomly saying LOLWIN to semi-funny replies on the Halo 3 forum, I hypothesize that a temperary self-esteem boost will be present.

And once they read this, they will be a little worse off than before.

Bungie really has more power than the book writers when it comes to being "canon". They made the game, and the only difference between MKV and IV is a biofoam injector (and a better overall mechanical function.)

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I don't see any mention of the spartan laser in the OP.

the spartans in halo wars use it, and the game is canon. so there is no reason not to have it on reach.
your point is valid though... except one thing : I believe the USNC could upgrade the suits ONLY thanks to the covenant technology (MC had stolen a jackal shield that the USNC obviously studied), adapting tech is more easy than creating it from scratch, and that is what could explain that sudden upgrade.

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Posted by: z0rgy
your point is valid though... except one thing : I believe the USNC could upgrade the suits ONLY thanks to the covenant technology (MC had stolen a jackal shield that the USNC obviously studied), adapting tech is more easy than creating it from scratch, and that is what could explain that sudden upgrade.
Agreed

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It is also possible for Reach to have no Assult Rifles, no Gameplay what-so-ever. It is entirly possible for there to be no Halo:REACH at all. But i don't think that someone other than me can think of such things.

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—Cortana to John-117

I don't believe weapons like the Spartan Laser are going to be in Reach, unless its a prototype, and if it is why would ONI/UNSC let it be used in the feild?

Also, pretty much all the equipment, aside from the trip mine, is Covenant/Forerunner made.

Then, some weapons like the BR that is not in Halo 1 could still be cannon. For example, brutes where around during Halo 1, but they where not on that Halo at the time.

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Yeah I remember reading The Fall of Reach and alot of the spartans die. They say only cheif is the surviving spartan. In halo wars though they followed the saying in the book, "All of the Spartans are here except for 3, who are to far away to fight." Douglas, Alice, and Jeromy. Anyone know what they say by it?

  • 11.10.2009 6:08 PM PDT

The majority of time spent on Mark V was reverse engineering the Jackal shields. Anything from there on out was a mere upgrade, quick and simple.

  • 11.10.2009 6:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: z0rgy
your point is valid though... except one thing : I believe the USNC could upgrade the suits ONLY thanks to the covenant technology (MC had stolen a jackal shield that the USNC obviously studied), adapting tech is more easy than creating it from scratch, and that is what could explain that sudden upgrade.
Agreed


i never understood the purpose of Eric Nylund writing that part in Fall of Reach.. MC stole the Jackal sheild RIGHT before the Mk. V was introduced to the Spartans, so it couldnt have had a hand in the sheilding of the MK. V.. and UNSC soldiers could have stolen jackal sheild anytime during the 27 year war.. why was it significant then? Also the MJOLNIR Energy sheilding was based on the elite energy sheilding, not jackal..

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it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

Posted by: altoidsjedi117
The Gap between the Mk. IV and Mk. V upgrade was 27 years, but only around 2 months later, on October 20th, During the Battle of Earth, Master Chief upgraded to the Mk. VI..
Even though it took UNSC scientists 27 years to make a new upgrade, they were able to upgrade a 2nd time 2 months later despite the destruction of Reach, which should have been a significant setback..



The original armor had no shields. The major upgrade it recieved was the shields. Why so much time? Its kinda hard to understand and use technology that you know nothing about. its like giving a Roman a semi-automatic gun and expecting them to recreate it in a few months. Its like computers and the chip. It took thousands/millions of years for humans to finally make one, and then in a few decades it exploded in such a way its somewhat scary. So that's why between the first upgrade you get almost 3 decades but then in a matter of months they have the second upgrade.



They also say they got the tech using Jackal shields but i highly doubt it since the technology used on the Mark V is similar to the Elite armor. Im guessing they stripped naked a few elites to make it work.

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  • 11.10.2009 6:12 PM PDT

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Also, pretty much all the equipment, aside from the trip mine, is Covenant/Forerunner made.


Bubble sheild is reverse engineered creation by ONI

  • 11.10.2009 6:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
The majority of time spent on Mark V was reverse engineering the Jackal shields. Anything from there on out was a mere upgrade, quick and simple.


But Reach's destruction should have hindered any further development to the MJOLNIR, seeing that all the research and development was done on Reach, and funds to the Spartan II program we diverted to Colonel Ackersons Spartan III program..

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your point is valid though... except one thing : I believe the USNC could upgrade the suits ONLY thanks to the covenant technology (MC had stolen a jackal shield that the USNC obviously studied), adapting tech is more easy than creating it from scratch, and that is what could explain that sudden upgrade.
Agreed

Also the MJOLNIR Energy sheilding was based on the elite energy sheilding, not jackal..

from halopedia, on the energy shields :
Humans started using energy shields with the production of the MJOLNIR Mark V powered assault armor and later the Mark VI. It uses a reverse engineered Jackal Personal Arm Shield that has been modified into a full body shield, much like a Covenant Elite's.

  • 11.10.2009 6:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: z0rgy
I don't see any mention of the spartan laser in the OP.

the spartans in halo wars use it, and the game is canon. so there is no reason not to have it on reach.


Many people consider the main storyline of Halo Wars canonical, but not the details, like spartan lasers and sheilded MJOLNIR..

The spartan laser must have definatly been a reversed engineered like the Bubble sheild form covie tech, and no one understand why the spartans on halo wars seemt to have recharging sheilds when it wasnt developed till 25 years later..

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exactly

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Also, pretty much all the equipment, aside from the trip mine, is Covenant/Forerunner made.


Bubble sheild is reverse engineered creation by ONI


how come ONLY brutes carry them? and ONLY brutes use them?

  • 11.10.2009 6:19 PM PDT

Its a trap!!!

The laser will be in the game. Its loved despite some people on the forums hate for it.

It probabl wont be a prototype becaue of halo wars. The weapon might have a slightly different skin. Who knows maybe the laser will be fabled to be better in reach

Reach could be a land of lost tech that was in R&D when it was destroyed. Don't be suprised if you dont get acess to new weapons that are really good

Just because the weapon wasnt on the pillar of auttum doesnt mean that it wasnt in the halo universe prior to that

and why would other weapons be on the Pillar. The pistol alone can dominate anything in halo ce. It can even shoot down a banshee

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