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Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: altoidsjedi117
Posted by: MasterLemonMan
Posted by: z0rgy
your point is valid though... except one thing : I believe the USNC could upgrade the suits ONLY thanks to the covenant technology (MC had stolen a jackal shield that the USNC obviously studied), adapting tech is more easy than creating it from scratch, and that is what could explain that sudden upgrade.
Agreed

Also the MJOLNIR Energy sheilding was based on the elite energy sheilding, not jackal..

from halopedia, on the energy shields :
Humans started using energy shields with the production of the MJOLNIR Mark V powered assault armor and later the Mark VI. It uses a reverse engineered Jackal Personal Arm Shield that has been modified into a full body shield, much like a Covenant Elite's.


The books never stated if the tech was reverse engineered from jackal or elite sheilds.. but it hinted to both..

Halo wiki are succeptable to false or misconcepted information, as all other wikis are, and i think this was probably an assumption made my whoever wrote/edited the article..

  • 11.10.2009 6:21 PM PDT

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  • 11.10.2009 6:23 PM PDT

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the main reason it took 27 years to develop the mk V was because the scientists couldn't figure out how to reverse engineer the covenant shields. when they finally did figure it out, they then spent a few months figuring out how to make them better which they did really easily cuz humans were a lot more innovative than the covenant.

  • 11.10.2009 6:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: altoidsjedi117
Posted by: Torch105

Also, pretty much all the equipment, aside from the trip mine, is Covenant/Forerunner made.


Bubble sheild is reverse engineered creation by ONI


how come ONLY brutes carry them? and ONLY brutes use them?


no, i remember specifically remember bungie stating it was ONI tech, either in pre-halo 3 release magazine article or in a Weekly update..
halo wiki also sort of says it as well..

  • 11.10.2009 6:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: altoidsjedi117
Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: altoidsjedi117
Posted by: MasterLemonMan
Posted by: z0rgy
your point is valid though... except one thing : I believe the USNC could upgrade the suits ONLY thanks to the covenant technology (MC had stolen a jackal shield that the USNC obviously studied), adapting tech is more easy than creating it from scratch, and that is what could explain that sudden upgrade.
Agreed

Also the MJOLNIR Energy sheilding was based on the elite energy sheilding, not jackal..

from halopedia, on the energy shields :
Humans started using energy shields with the production of the MJOLNIR Mark V powered assault armor and later the Mark VI. It uses a reverse engineered Jackal Personal Arm Shield that has been modified into a full body shield, much like a Covenant Elite's.


The books never stated if the tech was reverse engineered from jackal or elite sheilds.. but it hinted to both..

Halo wiki are succeptable to false or misconcepted information, as all other wikis are, and i think this was probably an assumption made my whoever wrote/edited the article..

I have a hard time understanding how could human reverse a technology they never encountered before.
since you stick to the book, in TFoR, they explain the spartans what they know about the covenant. they explicitely say they have NOT made any contact with the superior leaders that they like to call "elites", in fact, the very very first time a spartan meets an elite is when MC gets into the space station to destroy the ship that did not execute the Cole Protocole.
therefore, how could the ONI study and adapt a technology they could not even know it existed?

however, MC had conveniently stolen a jackal arm shield a bit before (I don't remember dates, but it certainly was a few days ago) and it WAS studied by scientists.
it doesn't hint at both, it hints at only one solution.

regarding the bubble shield, it's extremely weird how no marines or even odst seem capable of using it. besides, it weights 20 kilograms, which is extremely heavy for an equipment and inconvenient for a normal human being to use.
not even mentionning it doesn't seem to be a human tech at all.

[Edited on 11.10.2009 6:29 PM PST]

  • 11.10.2009 6:26 PM PDT

Let me put this realistically.

The new weapons in each game were added to "improve" (notice the quotes) gameplay, and spice up the game. They weren't added according to canon.

This will be the same effect for Reach. You will see new weapons that weren't in any of the books and they will have no apparent story continuity to them. The technology of the weapons in Reach may even be better than in Halo 3. A specific example of this effect that comes to mind is the star wars series. The technology is better in the prequels than in the originals.

Plain and simple. When it comes to making a video game, especially a multiplayer oriented game like the Halo series, what makes money is how the game plays and how much cool stuff they can cram into it. Story comes second (which is why the stories in video games are never any good (yes, that was a generalization)).

In conclusion, you WILL see new weapons, you WILL see things that break canon, and you WILL see continuity errors. It's just the way things work.

  • 11.10.2009 6:29 PM PDT

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chief was the last known spartan, but when they returned to reach weeks later they found that a bunch more were still alive on the planet. the entire crew of the spirit of fire is in cryosleep and is still MIA, so they dont know what happened to the three spartans. they'll probably eventually be found, although at the end of the credits in halo wars serina wakes up the captain and tells him that something has happened, so it's possible that they all died too. gotta wait to find out i guess

  • 11.10.2009 6:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: altoidsjedi117
Posted by: z0rgy
Posted by: altoidsjedi117
Posted by: MasterLemonMan
Agreed

Also the MJOLNIR Energy sheilding was based on the elite energy sheilding, not jackal..

from halopedia, on the energy shields :
Humans started using energy shields with the production of the MJOLNIR Mark V powered assault armor and later the Mark VI. It uses a reverse engineered Jackal Personal Arm Shield that has been modified into a full body shield, much like a Covenant Elite's.


The books never stated if the tech was reverse engineered from jackal or elite sheilds.. but it hinted to both..

Halo wiki are succeptable to false or misconcepted information, as all other wikis are, and i think this was probably an assumption made my whoever wrote/edited the article..

I have a hard time understanding how could human reverse a technology they never encountered before.
since you stick to the book, in TFoR, they explain the spartans what they know about the covenant. they explicitely say they have NOT made any contact with the superior leaders that they like to call "elites", in fact, the very very first time a spartan meets an elite is when MC gets into the space station to destroy the ship that did not execute the Cole Protocole.
therefore, how could the ONI study and adapt a technology they could not even know it existed?

however, MC had conveniently stolen a jackal arm shield a bit before (I don't remember dates, but it certainly was a few days ago) and it WAS studied by scientists.
it doesn't hint at both, it hints at only one solution.

regarding the bubble shield, it's extremely weird how no marines or even odst seem capable of using it. besides, it weights 20 kilograms, which is extremely heavy for an equipment and inconvenient for a normal human being to use.
not even mentionning it doesn't seem to be a human tech at all.


True, MC apparently did not come onto contact with Elites until Reach, which is strange, as they are pretty much the back-bone of the infantry in the games, but other spartans and UNSCDF forces did..
notable examples would be in Halo wars, the very first battle on the first prolouge chapter of Ghosts of Onyx, Cole Protocol, the episode "Baby-sitter" from halo legends.. ETC

  • 11.10.2009 6:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: GeorgeBaggy
chief was the last known spartan, but when they returned to reach weeks later they found that a bunch more were still alive on the planet. the entire crew of the spirit of fire is in cryosleep and is still MIA, so they dont know what happened to the three spartans. they'll probably eventually be found, although at the end of the credits in halo wars serina wakes up the captain and tells him that something has happened, so it's possible that they all died too. gotta wait to find out i guess


well it would finally tie the games together. Halo Wars is canon people do not believe bungie it seems so this would be the only other option

I don't care about what happens to the spirit of fire... but then again more spartans never hurt

  • 11.10.2009 6:35 PM PDT

My theory is that Virgil created bubble shields and the like. It would also explain why at the beginning of Crow's nest, a marine says "shields are down."

  • 11.10.2009 6:39 PM PDT
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you're going in a grey area if you mention these books. you see, I am french, and also terribly lazy. I'd have no problems reading these books in english ... but I'm really lazy, and they have never been translated and probably never will be.
all I have read is first strike, TFOR and halo.
however I do know that BRUTES were on harvest, not elites.
I guess they broke the cannon with halo wars and all the books.

it was bound to happen anyway.

  • 11.10.2009 6:39 PM PDT

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  • 11.10.2009 6:40 PM PDT

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MJOLNIR MK VI was actually already finished. If you read First Strike thoroughly you would have realised that some of the Spartans got armor upgrades. Although it is not stated directly, I think it is safe to assume that the armor upgrades were of the MK VI model.

  • 11.10.2009 6:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: altoidsjedi117
Posted by: z0rgy
I don't see any mention of the spartan laser in the OP.

the spartans in halo wars use it, and the game is canon. so there is no reason not to have it on reach.


Many people consider the main storyline of Halo Wars canonical, but not the details, like spartan lasers and sheilded MJOLNIR..

The spartan laser must have definatly been a reversed engineered like the Bubble sheild form covie tech, and no one understand why the spartans on halo wars seemt to have recharging sheilds when it wasnt developed till 25 years later..


Spartans had sheilds for gameplay reasons. At first, they were to have recharging health, but that was a feature from the mac six, so they settled for the next best thing pretty much.

  • 11.10.2009 6:44 PM PDT

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The BR and Laser were in Halo Wars, so they were around before Halo REACH takes place. They were not in Halo 1 and Halo 2 because you were supplied entirely by a single ship in both games; they do not pack the entire UNSC arsenal onboard.

Aaaaaand.

In the upcoming Spartan BLACK comic, the 4 Sparans on the cover are wearing Mk VI armor... before the battle of Reach. It is likely that multiple MJOLNIR armors were being created during the 27 year gap, and the Mk V was simply the first to be fully completed and released.

  • 11.10.2009 6:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
My theory is that Virgil created bubble shields and the like. It would also explain why at the beginning of Crow's nest, a marine says "shields are down."


Not all shields are energy shields.

Anyway I believe that the UNSC had created bubble shield technology before perfecting personal energy shields for Mjolnir armor. It makes sense if you think about it, bubble shields are tough omni-directional shield projectors that quickly burn themselves out.

If you need explanation for why they aren't more widely deployed or adapted to larger applications (like spaceships) one could readily assume that a bubble shield is exorbitantly expensive to produce and that perhaps they rely on scavenged Covenant components (much like Halo Wars' plasma Rhino probably does).

Plus footage from "The Package" and "Homecoming" show Spartans using UNSC bubble shields.

Also, OP. Mjolnir Mark VI was certainly in development before Mark V was issued. The logic is simple, they made a breakthrough and rushed to implement it while they were still perfecting it. Thus, concurrently designed Mjolnir production lines.

[Edited on 11.10.2009 6:56 PM PST]

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