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Subject: Reach should be like MW2...

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For those who choose not to read the OP I have a tl;dr version right below. (also if you choose not to read the OP atleast read the bolded parts I have quoted in it.)

tl;dr version: Make the enviroment more darker and look like a real battlefield and put some action into the game that'll keep us on the edge.

...graphically and environmentally wise. (And a bit gameplay wise.)

As many of you know MW2 just came out and for those who have played the campaign will know what I'm talking about.

But for those who don't let me clarify. By graphically and environmentally wise I mean in a few levels of MW2 it shows citys on fire, buildings blown up, destroyed, the sky filled with helicopters, gun shots and smoke and fire and well it looks like a REAL battlefield. Most of you may have noticed that Halo shows none (if barely) any characteristics resembling a war. And you would think aliens invading earth and planets and trying to kill of the human race would be more bloodshot and darker looking then just humans against humans.

Gameplay wise - No I don't mean knifes, sprint button, or anything Call of Dutyish. I mean like I don't know...put some action into the game? Action like you have no gun and your hopelessly outnumbered running for your life and trying to escape/evade covenant squads. Something that pretty much keeps us on the edge of our seats.

Thoughts? Comments?

(Oh and no I'm not a Call of Duty fanboy before anyones says that. I just simply thought the game was amazing due to its environment and the keep you on the edge of your seat moments and I'm hoping Bungie thinks about this to make Halo: Reach the best damn game out there.)

Posted by: Plain Ben
Man, you should have reworded and removed the words 'Modern Warfare 2', then you wouldn't have these complaint posts.

I for one, agree that Halo should have a similar feel to what the Call of Duty franchise has achieved, warzones that actually have action in the background. Parts of missions where certain circumstances change the gameplay for a while.


Posted by: Frost1691 1691
Of course Halo isn't CoD. Why is it that it's always compared to CoD? There are other FPS's out there with the same basic level of action that CoD has. The real problem I see with Halo is that it doesn't feel like you're in any real danger. On the other hand, in games like CoD, all of the explosions, gunfire everywhere, buildings blowing up, give you feeling of real danger. In Halo it just feels like you're a one man army walking through levels killing anything in your past. There isn't any real challenge. And this doesn't make any sense. It seems that if you're desperately fighting for the survival of all mankind against blood thirsty religious fanatics that want your head on a pike, then you should maybe feel like you're in danger. Halo does not deliver in that aspect.


Posted by: UNKNOWN iXi
Also agreed 100%. The ONLY thing holding Halo's campaign back from GREATNESS is the lack of adrenaline missions. If Halo had more of its story-telling from a 1st person helmet cam and more adrenaline missions where you would play in a scenario outside of the normal fps, say like gunning Covenant down from a Pelican or using a MAC Blast on a Cruiser, then Halo would be THAT MUCH BETTER.


Posted by: flamedude
Most of us have always wanted epic battles in Halo games, and I'd love to see it in Reach. Dozens of Scorpions duking it out with Scarabs and Wraiths, Longsword strikes, Gauss Hogs wailing on Choppers, CCS glassings, shiva nukes, Spartans, ODST drops, machine gun fire, crashing ships, supermacs, jackal snipers, spec op elites. I want all of that.

I was always disappointed that the battles of New Mombasa were so...... empty.


Posted by: LooneyCass1
Posted by: bcod7150
I haven't played MW2's campaign, but I gather from what y'all have said that it's a very cinematic experience.

Which, if you remember, was how the original halo was. You can't say you weren't roused running through the ship unarmed, with screaming navy soldiers and a handful of marines trying to repel boarding parties. It was exciting. It was fun. The entire game, you felt a sense of desperation, and the assault on the beach was just a reinforcement of the fact that, yes, we were in a war, and it felt like a tactical insertion in a futuristic battle when your orbital forces have been crippled.


*THAT FEELING WAS LOST IN HALO 2, HALO 3, and only returned to a minor extent in ODST.*


Don't get me wrong, i loved the games. I couldn't get enough of Master Chief's story. But damnit, a FPS shouldn't have the same layout as a racetrack. We're in a new age, and point A to point B is somewhat ridiculous. Games still do it, but they at least engage you along the way. The later halo games (ODST excluded, kinda) do not. They LITERALLY feel like a race to the objective, which is sometimes what you're able to do.

So yes. If the covenant are shelling an area around you, the earth should shake. Marines should fall. Gears 2 did this well; it felt gritty, dirty, and the characters acted as people would in such situations. Call of Duty did well in their environments, I hear; ODST and halo 3, which were FOUGHT ON EARTH, apparently had a civilian population of 0. Apparently the covenant had no idea of the idea of artillery, or orbital shellling, or any of that. You never rooted the enemy out of their staging areas. You never had to escort civilians, or pull a brute off of someone, or wrench a car door open to let out a screaming kid, or kick over a table to find cover as you try to cut through an apartment and come under fire;


Come on guys. And i know you'll all find things to hate on for my post, but whatever. I'd like a more Breakdown-ish, experience, simply for the fact that the game was engaging as hell.

I don't wanna PLAY halo.

I wanna be IN halo. You know what I mean? make THAT happen.

100% agree.

Although I do like every Halo game, the fact that your going from point A to point B without that adrenaline pumping levels like CoD has is just dissapointing. I hope Reach will add at least a level like this.


^Bolded parts. =)

And everything MLG Cheehwawa said. =)

[Edited on 11.16.2009 7:19 PM PST]

  • 11.10.2009 7:38 PM PDT
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No.

  • 11.10.2009 7:40 PM PDT

Semper Fidelis!

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i would have to agree that the kind of war shown in MW is more captivating than Halo..

no im not a fanboy either...

halo all the way!

  • 11.10.2009 7:41 PM PDT

Halo 3: ODST = $30

Halo is Halo. Stop trying to make it into Call of Duty. Reach of course will have amazing graphics and will have a spectacular story to go with it. Just wait and see and stop complaining. Go play MW2 and stop comparing it to Halo.

  • 11.10.2009 7:41 PM PDT

I don't understand why you're looking at my profile. Just back off, and nobody gets hurt, okay?

*kicks dirt*

stupid CoD...

HALO > CoD



  • 11.10.2009 7:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: xAngel of Furyx
Halo is Halo. Stop trying to make it into Call of Duty. Reach of course will have amazing graphics and will have a spectacular story to go with it. Just wait and see and stop complaining. Go play MW2 and stop comparing it to Halo.

Some might argue that genetically enhanced cyborgs fighting over-religious aliens AND zombies over a superweapon that will destroy the galaxy isn't exactly spectacular story.

  • 11.10.2009 7:43 PM PDT
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Jesus loves you, but everyone else thinks you're a twat.

i love halo because it looks like halo and i dont want the art direction to change that much

  • 11.10.2009 7:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: xAngel of Furyx
Halo is Halo. Stop trying to make it into Call of Duty. Reach of course will have amazing graphics and will have a spectacular story to go with it. Just wait and see and stop complaining. Go play MW2 and stop comparing it to Halo.


I'm not complaining, I'm simply suggesting that those few suggestions could actually make Reach a whole lot better. And I'm not even trying to say to change Halo to CoD, I said scenery wise and action wise. Like make it look like there actually have been battles and skirmishes and have some WHOA! this is awesome moments.

  • 11.10.2009 7:45 PM PDT

Were it so easy.

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  • 11.10.2009 7:45 PM PDT

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O WOW DUDE y dont u get out of bungie forums if all u gonna say is "hay bungie can u please make HALO 3: REACH into CALL OF DOODIE: reach" i mean really comon

*ahem*

Agreed 100%
MW2 has an amazing atmosphere... just a sense of the chaos of a battlefield. Of course Halo should still have less complicated environments which are more open and non-linear in the classic Halo style, but that doesn't mean that Bungie can't take a page from MW2 when it comes to a real feeling of combat. It just makes the game more intense; puts us in the shoes of the character.

Speaking of which, I like the view from behind the riot shield in MW2... reminds me of looking out through a helmet. If we ever get a Halo with a more realistic looking environment/atmosphere, I would like the HUD to change with it... just make it look like we're in the Helmet.

Seriously though, remember the "No Russian" mission? I hated going through it (skipped it the first time), but it really helped to put a face on the enemy. Showed us who were were fighting, and why we had to stop them.

I think it was overly-powerful, though, as we were people killing people. In Halo, however, playing as an Arbiter or Zealot for a mission or two slicing our way through a UNSC ship's helpless personnel, would really help cement for the player just how ruthless the Covenant are. How important it is for the Spartans to stand between the Covenant and Humanity as often as possible.

And live to do it another day.

  • 11.10.2009 7:46 PM PDT

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Shut. The. -blam!-. UP.

  • 11.10.2009 7:48 PM PDT

BoxOfBlades

Bungie has to start banning threads that have anything to do with MW2...when i play Halo:Reach i wanna play Halo:Reack not CoD MW2,if i wanna play mw2,ill play mw2.if i wanna play halo,ill play halo.i dont want them mixed,neither do most of the community.see where im coming from?go home and stop trolling

  • 11.10.2009 7:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: MLG Cheehwawa
O WOW DUDE y dont u get out of bungie forums if all u gonna say is "hay bungie can u please make HALO 3: REACH into CALL OF DOODIE: reach" i mean really comon

*ahem*

Agreed 100%
MW2 has an amazing atmosphere... just a sense of the chaos of a battlefield. Of course Halo should still have less complicated environments which are more open and non-linear in the classic Halo style, but that doesn't mean that Bungie can't take a page from MW2 when it comes to a real feeling of combat. It just makes the game more intense; puts us in the shoes of the character.

Speaking of which, I like the view from behind the riot shield in MW2... reminds me of looking out through a helmet. If we ever get a Halo with a more realistic looking environment/atmosphere, I would like the HUD to change with it... just make it look like we're in the Helmet.

Seriously though, remember the "No Russian" mission? I hated going through it (skipped it the first time), but it really helped to put a face on the enemy. Showed us who were were fighting, and why we had to stop them.

I think it was overly-powerful, though, as we were people killing people. In Halo, however, playing as an Arbiter or Zealot for a mission or two slicing our way through a UNSC ship's helpless personnel, would really help cement for the player just how ruthless the Covenant are. How important it is for the Spartans to stand between the Covenant and Humanity as often as possible.

And live to do it another day.


Yeah thats all I want and really trying to say thanks for actually reading the post and giving me some REAL feedback. :) Everyone on this darn forums can't get past there fanboyism and actually bother to consider how this would make the game better , instead they see the words MW2 or CoD and automatically say "no."

P.S. I agree on the "No Russian" mission. Hated playing it. :/ But it did make you wanna fight them more and make them pay.

[Edited on 11.10.2009 7:56 PM PST]

  • 11.10.2009 7:52 PM PDT

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of course it needs good graphics and "keep you on the edge of your seat moments" but bungie should do this in their own way and not copy CoD.

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Posted by: Methew
No.

  • 11.10.2009 7:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: BoxOfBlades
Bungie has to start banning threads that have anything to do with MW2...when i play Halo:Reach i wanna play Halo:Reack not CoD MW2,if i wanna play mw2,ill play mw2.if i wanna play halo,ill play halo.i dont want them mixed,neither do most of the community.see where im coming from?go home and stop trolling


How in anyway am I trolling!? Please tell me? I am simply suggesting a couple of ideas that would be great for Halo.

PLEASE GET PAST YOUR FANBOYISM!

  • 11.10.2009 7:53 PM PDT

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double post.

[Edited on 11.10.2009 7:55 PM PST]

  • 11.10.2009 7:54 PM PDT

I agree....the halo story line is awesome but is felt like an outline of what it could have been. I think out of meatyness of halo story halo CE and halo 2 had alot. Halo 3 payed way to much to multiplayer and ppl pleasing and it made the story bland. But in Reach it would be great to make Reach a warzone. Also it doesnt help not allowing you to see the face of your character either.

  • 11.10.2009 7:55 PM PDT

BoxOfBlades

Posted by: TransmutationXx
Posted by: BoxOfBlades
Bungie has to start banning threads that have anything to do with MW2...when i play Halo:Reach i wanna play Halo:Reack not CoD MW2,if i wanna play mw2,ill play mw2.if i wanna play halo,ill play halo.i dont want them mixed,neither do most of the community.see where im coming from?go home and stop trolling


How in anyway am I trolling!? Please tell me? I am simply suggesting a couple of ideas that would be great for Halo.

PLEASE GET PAST YOUR FANBOYISM!
Fanboyism?...because i dont want -blam!- of doody in halo makes me a fanboy,yeah that makes sense.

  • 11.10.2009 7:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: BoxOfBlades
Posted by: TransmutationXx
Posted by: BoxOfBlades
Bungie has to start banning threads that have anything to do with MW2...when i play Halo:Reach i wanna play Halo:Reack not CoD MW2,if i wanna play mw2,ill play mw2.if i wanna play halo,ill play halo.i dont want them mixed,neither do most of the community.see where im coming from?go home and stop trolling


How in anyway am I trolling!? Please tell me? I am simply suggesting a couple of ideas that would be great for Halo.

PLEASE GET PAST YOUR FANBOYISM!
Fanboyism?...because i dont want -blam!- of doody in halo makes me a fanboy,yeah that makes sense.


Obviously it's fanboyism; just look how you refer to CoD. But please lets not start a flame war. I wanna keep this thread up and not get it locked. I wanna see others feedback.

  • 11.10.2009 8:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: BoxOfBlades
Posted by: TransmutationXx
Posted by: BoxOfBlades
Bungie has to start banning threads that have anything to do with MW2...when i play Halo:Reach i wanna play Halo:Reack not CoD MW2,if i wanna play mw2,ill play mw2.if i wanna play halo,ill play halo.i dont want them mixed,neither do most of the community.see where im coming from?go home and stop trolling


How in anyway am I trolling!? Please tell me? I am simply suggesting a couple of ideas that would be great for Halo.

PLEASE GET PAST YOUR FANBOYISM!
Fanboyism?...because i dont want -blam!- of doody in halo makes me a fanboy,yeah that makes sense.
He was giving you an EXAMPLE of what he wanted for Halo REACH. MW2 simply did it well already. What is it they did well? Some new feature which Infinity Ward invented, and Bungie would be labelled as copy-cats for snagging?

No.

What they got right was capturing a realistic and immersive environment for a first person shooter game, allowing for a more emotional story to plant its roots in your mind more easily.

How the hell can you not want THAT for Reach?

[Edited on 11.10.2009 8:04 PM PST]

  • 11.10.2009 8:02 PM PDT

I would love to be able to look up and see Pelicans and Phantoms soaring across a burning sky.

  • 11.10.2009 8:02 PM PDT

BoxOfBlades

Posted by: TransmutationXx
Posted by: BoxOfBlades
Posted by: TransmutationXx
Posted by: BoxOfBlades
Bungie has to start banning threads that have anything to do with MW2...when i play Halo:Reach i wanna play Halo:Reack not CoD MW2,if i wanna play mw2,ill play mw2.if i wanna play halo,ill play halo.i dont want them mixed,neither do most of the community.see where im coming from?go home and stop trolling
i refer to it as c0ck of doody for comedic relief,something your probably not familiar with.

How in anyway am I trolling!? Please tell me? I am simply suggesting a couple of ideas that would be great for Halo.

PLEASE GET PAST YOUR FANBOYISM!
Fanboyism?...because i dont want -blam!- of doody in halo makes me a fanboy,yeah that makes sense.


Obviously it's fanboyism; just look how you refer to CoD. But please lets not start a flame war. I wanna keep this thread up and not get it locked. I wanna see others feedback.

  • 11.10.2009 8:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I would love to be able to look up and see Pelicans and Phantoms soaring across a burning sky.


I know right!? Wouldn't that just be amazing to see? Pelican and Phantom battles in the sky and you being able to hear COMM chatter.

Sidenote-I have to get off, I'll come back in the morning to check on this thread. Keep it alive please. And please post your thoughts. :)

  • 11.10.2009 8:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: goatman327
of course it needs good graphics and "keep you on the edge of your seat moments" but bungie should do this in their own way and not copy CoD.


this

  • 11.10.2009 8:11 PM PDT