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As far as Halo being darker, Halo has never been dark. It's always been a light and colorful world. Interestingly enough, most places and battles in real life are light and colorful. Many other video games have realized this and added much more vibrancy. Uncharted 2 is way colorful. Compare Gears 1 to Gears 2, CoD4 to MW2. Games are getting lighter and more realistically colored, not the other way around. Just because aliens are invading doesn't mean the sky automatically clouds over and colors bleed away.

As far as the feeling of a battlefield, Chief is almost always on guerilla/spec ops missions. There have never been any open conflicts in the Halo arc. So, yes, pelicans landing and dropping off more and more marines as you advance across a battlefield would be way cool, but it just isn't Halo.

Finally, if Chief were surrounded with no weapons by covenant, he'd totally kill them all, not run away.

  • 11.11.2009 8:57 PM PDT

Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
I hate this forum for this reason. People believe that Halo is better than everything else, just because it is Halo. I am so sick of it, grow up.


I'm sorry, but I must say, Halo is better than everything else: Just. Because. It. Is. Halo.

Seriously.

  • 11.11.2009 9:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
I hate this forum for this reason. People believe that Halo is better than everything else, just because it is Halo. I am so sick of it, grow up.


I'm sorry, but I must say, Halo is better than everything else: Just. Because. It. Is. Halo.

Seriously.


Don't be ignorant. Halo is a great game and it has a great story but it is not the holy grail of the universe.

  • 11.11.2009 9:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
Posted by: UNKNOWN iXi
Every single character in Halo is better than every single character in Modern Warfare.

Really? You sure? Maybe one or two, but for the most part, they are just there. Although Johnson is the coolest dude ever.

You think anyone actually cared/remember what happened to the people in Modern Warfare? Honestly, who cares about Soap? When you mention names like the Arbiter or Master Chief or Cortana, people surely are like "great/memorable characters."

Every single part of the storyline is better in Halo than in Modern Warfare.
Really? I don't think so. For the most part, the campaign seemed pretty bland in Halo 2 and 3, with the exception of the epic cut scenes. The missions you had to under take seemed pretty small and confined for being the last Spartan alive.

[b]You're talking about the missions THEMSELVES, which I already said Modern Warfare has over Halo. I was referring to the FORGETTABLE storylines of Modern Warfare that can't compete with the engaging/deep storylines of Halo.


You complain about the jokes? That's what makes Halo standout from the rest while also having its serious and dramatic moments. You think I cared at all about the Modern Warfare storylines? No. I almost CRY at the dramatic parts in Halo's storylines.
I can't take Halo seriously when my enemy and allies keep joking around. When Miranda Keys died, I was like "haha" instead of being like "damn it!"

In the middle of a 'gun fight' marines and grunts make silly puns, why?! Before the fights, that is perfectly fine, but not during or after, when lives are on the line and your friends are dying.

Maybe they could turn up the serious atmosphere a bit, I agree. However, don't you think you're overexaggerating a little bit? Either way, we can both agree that it needs to be turned up a bit.


The action figure type coloring? Really? You want Halo to look as bland and dull as Modern Warfare and Gears of War? ...
Don't put words in my mouth you insolent fanboy. Halo can keep it's amazing art style, while becoming more gritty and believable. I hate this forum for this reason. People believe that Halo is better than everything else, just because it is Halo. I am so sick of it, grow up.

Calling me all these things yet I didn't insult you in the same manner? Maybe it is YOU who is the fanboy considering I've mentioned something that Modern Warfare has over Halo. It is YOU who needs to grow up, child. Also, if that's what you MEANT then you need to choose your words much more wisely.


The ONLY thing Halo needs in its campaign is more adrenaline missions and interactivity/diversity. We need to be taken out of the first person realm sometimes and immersed in other ways. That's the ONLY thing Modern Warfare has over Halo.[/b]

I think that MW2 has quite a few things over Halo.

And how can we add more adrenaline missions with the current style of Halo? The spartan has this half-assed jog that is faster than a regular marine, but is still too slow to cover large distances in a timely manner. You are basically invincible, when a frag lands next your, whatever, my shields will go down then go back up.

This is such a stupid statement. You want the simple response? Answer: By ADDING them anyway. Clearly you need to reread my statements if you don't know what I was talking about with adrenaline missions.

There is no sense of urgency in Halo.


Bottom line, the Modern Warfare campaign is extremely forgettable and simple. If Halo had more diverse missions then there would be absolutely no contest here because Halo already wins in a majority of the other categories. If Halo had missions like you had to quietly sneak through the jungle to find a safe position to wait for a dropship leading out a Prophet, only for you to assassinate him with a Sniper from a great distance in bullet time, or having to control a MASSIVE MAC Blast to destroy huge battle cruisers or clear out areas on Reach, then there would be NO stopping it. Case closed.

  • 11.12.2009 4:33 AM PDT
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Agreed, here are my views on Halo and COD.

COD= Better game

Halo= Has the best community out of the whole universe.

  • 11.12.2009 6:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: TransmutationXx
...graphically and environmentally wise. (And a bit gameplay wise.)

As many of you know MW2 just came out and for those who have played the campaign will know what I'm talking about.

But for those who don't let me clarify. By graphically and environmentally wise I mean in a few levels of MW2 it shows citys on fire, buildings blown up, destroyed, the sky filled with helicopters, gun shots and smoke and fire and well it looks like a REAL battlefield. Most of you may have noticed that Halo shows none (if barely) any characteristics resembling a war. And you would think aliens invading earth and planets and trying to kill of the human race would be more bloodshot and darker looking then just humans against humans.

Gameplay wise - No I don't mean knifes, sprint button, or anything Call of Dutyish. I mean like I don't know...put some action into the game? Action like you have no gun and your hopelessly outnumbered running for your life and trying to escape/evade covenant squads. Something that pretty much keeps us on the edge of our seats.

tl;dr version: Make the enviroment more darker and look like a real battlefield and put some action into the game that'll keep us on the edge.

Thoughts? Comments?

(Oh and no I'm not a Call of Duty fanboy before anyones says that. I just simply thought the game was amazing due to its environment and the keep you on the edge of your seat moments and I'm hoping Bungie thinks about this to make Halo: Reach the best damn game out there.)

Posted by: Plain Ben
Man, you should have reworded and removed the words 'Modern Warfare 2', then you wouldn't have these complaint posts.

I for one, agree that Halo should have a similar feel to what the Call of Duty franchise has achieved, warzones that actually have action in the background. Parts of missions where certain circumstances change the gameplay for a while.


Posted by: Frost1691 1691
Of course Halo isn't CoD. Why is it that it's always compared to CoD? There are other FPS's out there with the same basic level of action that CoD has. The real problem I see with Halo is that it doesn't feel like you're in any real danger. On the other hand, in games like CoD, all of the explosions, gunfire everywhere, buildings blowing up, give you feeling of real danger. In Halo it just feels like you're a one man army walking through levels killing anything in your past. There isn't any real challenge. And this doesn't make any sense. It seems that if you're desperately fighting for the survival of all mankind against blood thirsty religious fanatics that want your head on a pike, then you should maybe feel like you're in danger. Halo does not deliver in that aspect.


Posted by: UNKNOWN iXi
Also agreed 100%. The ONLY thing holding Halo's campaign back from GREATNESS is the lack of adrenaline missions. If Halo had more of its story-telling from a 1st person helmet cam and more adrenaline missions where you would play in a scenario outside of the normal fps, say like gunning Covenant down from a Pelican or using a MAC Blast on a Cruiser, then Halo would be THAT MUCH BETTER.


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  • 11.12.2009 6:53 AM PDT

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NO

Play Modern Warfare if you want to play Modern Warfare.

plus if they made halo into a CoD clone you would just bash it for them doing what you wanted.

  • 11.12.2009 6:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: TES Christian
COD= Better game

Halo= Has the best community out of the whole universe.



I wouldnt agree with your views, even though I've been here a while.

first statement... yea, i dont know about that.

second statement... "the best community"...? have you been on these forums? even though i like the Halo community, I would have to say its the most retarded, or misinformed.
So many time travel theories its ridiculous. but maybe i have spent to much time marveling at the ....(cant say that) ...um repost rates. hahaha just observe the forum traffic, it will be come clear.

  • 11.12.2009 7:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: Honorable Sniper
NO

Play Modern Warfare if you want to play Modern Warfare.

plus if they made halo into a CoD clone you would just bash it for them doing what you wanted.


*sigh*
I want Reach to have environments and the atmosphere LIKE MW2 not gameplay itself...

And why would I bash them for doing something I wanted them to do?

  • 11.12.2009 11:55 AM PDT

B.net is full of ignorant people that don't read further than the first 3 words of a sentence again.

The OP said is should have an atmosphere like MW2. Nowhere does he say he want it to be just like MW2, just that Reach should finally FINALLY resemble war like it should be.

Had he said: I want Reach to be more raw, having a better feeling of you being in a huge war. All of you would agree. And hey, thats basically what he said, except he took MW2 as an example, and that causes instant fanboyism. Look, I don't like CoD/MW either, but it does make war look...well like war more than Halo has ever done. And as far as I am concerned a more mature, raw Halo is definatly welcome.

  • 11.12.2009 12:00 PM PDT

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Most of us have always wanted epic battles in Halo games, and I'd love to see it in Reach. Dozens of Scorpions duking it out with Scarabs and Wraiths, Longsword strikes, Gauss Hogs wailing on Choppers, CCS glassings, shiva nukes, Spartans, ODST drops, machine gun fire, crashing ships, supermacs, jackal snipers, spec op elites. I want all of that.

I was always disappointed that the battles of New Mombasa were so...... empty.

  • 11.12.2009 12:04 PM PDT

Excellent. Nod grows stronger by your victories.

Posted by: Methew
No.


this^

  • 11.12.2009 12:04 PM PDT

I think some people need to read as in he hasnt said he wanted a game similar to MW2. He said he would like more descriptive environments.

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I'd agree with that.
If someone had handed me the H3 game and told me to play it without me knowing anything, I could have been part of a small scale guerrila war. What would really enhance it is not only the things that you've mentioned, but also scenes in different spartan's shoes ALL OVER and AROUND reach.

the title is a bit misleading though. If you can change it, do it.

  • 11.12.2009 12:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: ittle dwarf
I'd agree with that.
If someone had handed me the H3 game and told me to play it without me knowing anything, I could have been part of a small scale guerrila war. What would really enhance it is not only the things that you've mentioned, but also scenes in different spartan's shoes ALL OVER and AROUND reach.

the title is a bit misleading though. If you can change it, do it.


I know its misleading and I intend to leave it that way. I want to see how many people actually bother to read my post and not just flame it because it has the letters MW and the number 2.

~Glad to see posters above me actually read the post and commented and didn't just flame it.

[Edited on 11.12.2009 12:30 PM PST]

  • 11.12.2009 12:25 PM PDT

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I agree with making more characteristics resembling a war, like some amazing explosions in the distance while your playing =]

  • 11.12.2009 12:32 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

My only problem with making it have more varied missions is that the missions people have suggested are issues of today. In the future the way we fight will be drastically different specifically because of a space based navy. This is why many of the problems of today's military aren't present in Halo and probably a majority o0f the fighting doesn't take place on planets. The biggest problem with UNSC engagements on the ground is that 90% of the time they know its a futile effort. They know that the planet will just be glassed anyways and this is why they rely so heavily on the Navy. Reach was a lost battle once the navy and MAC defense grid failed and it is the same in most every other military engagement in the Halo universe. The only reason Earth wasn't glassed was because of the hasty actions of Truth after the Flood contamination of High Charity.

I hope to see more Halo CE style gameplay. Some covert sections (like the rooms in AOTCR or Truth and Reconciliation), some large open armor engagements (like AOTCR or Quarantine) and then some good old fashioned urban fighting (New Mombasa in both Halo 2 and ODST). I just cannot compare MW2 style to Halo, because they aren't the same thing. I understand the idea of making it more "war like", but MW2 isn't Halo war style at all.

  • 11.12.2009 1:00 PM PDT

Tank beats everything!!!

I agree i prefer halos multilayer by miles but on halo its like your god all you do is run and shoot (not that i dont like that) but i would like a more war based atmosphere and maybe make it so you see more then the same dead bodies maybe put some bodies pinned against wall or something like that

  • 11.12.2009 1:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: Disturbed1995
I agree i prefer halos multilayer by miles but on halo its like your god all you do is run and shoot (not that i dont like that) but i would like a more war based atmosphere and maybe make it so you see more then the same dead bodies maybe put some bodies pinned against wall or something like that

Halo CE, Halo 3 and ODST all had those elements. If anything I would say that ODST was the most war-like, Halo 3 following after wards followed by Halo CE. Halo CE was more about survival however and the UNSC troops there relying on you as a tank to break through most things (unless you read the book where the ODST/Marine garrison on Halo repelled a large force of Covenant by themselves).

I think, as I said before, we need to concentrate on getting Halo to be Halo, not war being war. War can be anything, and Halo has its own version.

  • 11.12.2009 1:12 PM PDT

if you want a game to play thats like MW2 maybe you should play MW2

  • 11.12.2009 1:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
The mood of MW2 really helps the player immerse himself not only with the game, but with the characters as well. Creating a story line and mood that makes the player want to save his allies, and kill the enemy for the greater good makes the game that much more enjoyable.

I can't do that with halo because of all the jokes, the action figure type coloring, and the lack of character in

I agree 117%


Every single character in Halo is better than every single character in Modern Warfare.


MacTavish and Price are total badasses.

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
The mood of MW2 really helps the player immerse himself not only with the game, but with the characters as well. Creating a story line and mood that makes the player want to save his allies, and kill the enemy for the greater good makes the game that much more enjoyable.

I can't do that with halo because of all the jokes, the action figure type coloring, and the lack of character in

I agree 117%


Every single character in Halo is better than every single character in Modern Warfare.


MacTavish and Price are total badasses.


While that may be true, they can't compare to many of the characters in the Halo Universe. MacTavish and Price are both forgettable.

  • 11.12.2009 2:10 PM PDT

Posted by: TransmutationXx
...graphically and environmentally wise. (And a bit gameplay wise.)

As many of you know MW2 just came out and for those who have played the campaign will know what I'm talking about.

But for those who don't let me clarify. By graphically and environmentally wise I mean in a few levels of MW2 it shows citys on fire, buildings blown up, destroyed, the sky filled with helicopters, gun shots and smoke and fire and well it looks like a REAL battlefield. Most of you may have noticed that Halo shows none (if barely) any characteristics resembling a war. And you would think aliens invading earth and planets and trying to kill of the human race would be more bloodshot and darker looking then just humans against humans.

Gameplay wise - No I don't mean knifes, sprint button, or anything Call of Dutyish. I mean like I don't know...put some action into the game? Action like you have no gun and your hopelessly outnumbered running for your life and trying to escape/evade covenant squads. Something that pretty much keeps us on the edge of our seats.

tl;dr version: Make the enviroment more darker and look like a real battlefield and put some action into the game that'll keep us on the edge.

Thoughts? Comments?

(Oh and no I'm not a Call of Duty fanboy before anyones says that. I just simply thought the game was amazing due to its environment and the keep you on the edge of your seat moments and I'm hoping Bungie thinks about this to make Halo: Reach the best damn game out there.)

Posted by: Plain Ben
Man, you should have reworded and removed the words 'Modern Warfare 2', then you wouldn't have these complaint posts.

I for one, agree that Halo should have a similar feel to what the Call of Duty franchise has achieved, warzones that actually have action in the background. Parts of missions where certain circumstances change the gameplay for a while.


Posted by: Frost1691 1691
Of course Halo isn't CoD. Why is it that it's always compared to CoD? There are other FPS's out there with the same basic level of action that CoD has. The real problem I see with Halo is that it doesn't feel like you're in any real danger. On the other hand, in games like CoD, all of the explosions, gunfire everywhere, buildings blowing up, give you feeling of real danger. In Halo it just feels like you're a one man army walking through levels killing anything in your past. There isn't any real challenge. And this doesn't make any sense. It seems that if you're desperately fighting for the survival of all mankind against blood thirsty religious fanatics that want your head on a pike, then you should maybe feel like you're in danger. Halo does not deliver in that aspect.


Posted by: UNKNOWN iXi
Also agreed 100%. The ONLY thing holding Halo's campaign back from GREATNESS is the lack of adrenaline missions. If Halo had more of its story-telling from a 1st person helmet cam and more adrenaline missions where you would play in a scenario outside of the normal fps, say like gunning Covenant down from a Pelican or using a MAC Blast on a Cruiser, then Halo would be THAT MUCH BETTER.


Posted by: flamedude
Most of us have always wanted epic battles in Halo games, and I'd love to see it in Reach. Dozens of Scorpions duking it out with Scarabs and Wraiths, Longsword strikes, Gauss Hogs wailing on Choppers, CCS glassings, shiva nukes, Spartans, ODST drops, machine gun fire, crashing ships, supermacs, jackal snipers, spec op elites. I want all of that.

I was always disappointed that the battles of New Mombasa were so...... empty.


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  • 11.12.2009 2:29 PM PDT

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The end.

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Halo 3 is a Sci-Fi Game. Modern Warfare 2 is a Realistic game. Therefore, Games like Modern Warfare want to have as good of graphics and enviroment as they can get, Sci-Fi games on the other hand are meant not to have as good of graphics as Realistic Games.

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  • 11.12.2009 2:43 PM PDT

Fire.

Or you could play MW2.

  • 11.12.2009 2:45 PM PDT