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There's less tactical thinking necessary when you have a gun with a high rate of fire and damage (BR).

I think that if the "hardcore" crowd acts exactly like the OP, Bungie should focus much less on 3rd parties than they do. "Less serious gamers"? Really... games are about relaxing and getting a few heasdshots, not about screaming at your teammates to pick up the BR, drop the Spikers, and stop having fun. I play games to have fun. That's the point of gaming.

The BR is overpowered, MLG is overrated, and "hardcore" is another word for several things: 3 friends on friends list, anger management problems, wannabe good player, etc. The list goes on.

  • 11.15.2009 9:29 PM PDT

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(warning opinions follow)I think the majority of players tend to be casual, and a game company would try to appease a majority of its players, even if it excludes the fanatics without lives.
ps I dont find killing people with the br as "skillfull".

  • 11.15.2009 9:42 PM PDT

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I think Bungie should make beatdowns a bit less powerful, like 3 whacks instead of 2 to make people rely on it less. I really don't like games where melee is stronger than bullets (halo 3, call of duty)

  • 11.15.2009 9:45 PM PDT

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I think Bungie should make beatdowns a bit less powerful, like 3 whacks instead of 2 to make people rely on it less. I really don't like games where melee is stronger than bullets (halo 3, call of duty)

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I'll only discuss the issues below seeing as how the other stuff you said were either unimportant or completely false, much like your "points". lol...

Posted by: Xx Mr Bill xX

No, professional athletes know how to represent themselves when the media attention is on them. There are some genuinely professional athletes, but its more of a "they aren't doing anything wrong because they haven't been caught yet" scenario. How many professional baseball players did steroids before they started cracking down? Interesting how small so many of them got, even ones that weren't in the spot light all of the sudden.


Actually you don't know how wrong you are. Do you even play sports? If so, how far have you made it?

Also, I'm willing to bet that I've played all 3 Halo games more competitively than you ever have. Me and one of my friends were one of the best 2v2 teams in Halo 1 competitively, beating teams like the OGRES and other well-known teams today. However, I was never able to attend tournies over the years and whatnot, but I know the scene and it's very sad.

What does this have to do with anything? Heard -blam!- like this before, never believed it before, I don't believe it now. So your bragging about beating the Ogres on XBC? I'm guessing you had host seeing as how back when Halo 1 was MLG's bread and butter they would have been living at the same house and dual hosting and raping you considering the host advantage on XBC is insane.

Ummmmm, you were the one that STARTED that topic lmfao... Do you forget EVERYTHING you say? And by the way, how about you ASK whether the games were played on or off host instead of just ASSuming such things? This is the typical way of how you childish people try to debate things and how you try to ACT "maturer" than you really are lol. It's rather sad IMO.


PS - Host advantage was actually 2 things on XBC.
---1) Not an advantage at all if you had a beastly host.
---2) Actually a disadvantage for many reasons, some being if you never played on host and weren't used to the precision aiming.




Just keep failing buddy ;D

  • 11.15.2009 10:39 PM PDT

Its the competitive community(the whole 0.001 percent) that ruined halo 3 matchmaking.

  • 11.15.2009 10:41 PM PDT

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Even if the regular Halo gameplay doesn't suit MLG, I am 100% sure Custom Game options will suit them.

Unfortunately alot of Covies fans didn't get the best out of Halo 3, on account of the lack of Carbine or Plasma Rifle starts, but hopefully Reach will see the return of ANY starting weapon.

  • 11.15.2009 10:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: CookieMan
There's less tactical thinking necessary when you have a gun with a high rate of fire and damage (BR).




I stopped caring about your post after I read this, especially the stuff in italics. Clearly you have NO CLUE as to what you're talking about...

  • 11.15.2009 10:42 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

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Posted by: CookieMan
There's less tactical thinking necessary when you have a gun with a high rate of fire and damage (BR).




I stopped caring about your post after I read this, especially the stuff in italics. Clearly you have NO CLUE as to what you're talking about...
The BR has a fire rate of 600 rounds per minute.

  • 11.15.2009 10:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Uncle Kulikov
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Posted by: CookieMan
There's less tactical thinking necessary when you have a gun with a high rate of fire and damage (BR).




I stopped caring about your post after I read this, especially the stuff in italics. Clearly you have NO CLUE as to what you're talking about...
The BR has a fire rate of 600 rounds per minute.


Cool story bro.


Statistics are just numbers to make things look fancy. The actual SHOOTING and you squeezing the trigger in the GAME is actually slow. Fast would be the Carbine, medium-slow is the BR, leaving the Magnum as slow. If you get any slower than the Magnum in a Halo game then it's just unbearable in Halo's pacing... The Magnum, as is, is almost to slow to be usable against Halo's other weaponry. The BR right now is hitting that fine line; any slower and it will drop as the weapon of choice.



I hope those leaked screens are real and the BR stays the same with 12 rounds. I'm sick and tired of the random bullet spread of the current BR and the terrible rate of fire...

  • 11.15.2009 10:56 PM PDT

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There's less tactical thinking necessary when you have a gun with a high rate of fire and damage (BR).




I stopped caring about your post after I read this, especially the stuff in italics. Clearly you have NO CLUE as to what you're talking about...

I'm pretty sure 720 rounds per minute is a high rate of fire.

  • 11.15.2009 11:02 PM PDT

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Refer to my post right before yours CookieMan.

  • 11.15.2009 11:05 PM PDT

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Refer to my post right before yours CookieMan.

All I read in there was you talking about MLG.

I couldn't care less.

  • 11.15.2009 11:16 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

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Posted by: CookieMan
There's less tactical thinking necessary when you have a gun with a high rate of fire and damage (BR).




I stopped caring about your post after I read this, especially the stuff in italics. Clearly you have NO CLUE as to what you're talking about...
The BR has a fire rate of 600 rounds per minute.


Cool story bro.


Statistics are just numbers to make things look fancy. The actual SHOOTING and you squeezing the trigger in the GAME is actually slow. Fast would be the Carbine, medium-slow is the BR, leaving the Magnum as slow. If you get any slower than the Magnum in a Halo game then it's just unbearable in Halo's pacing... The Magnum, as is, is almost to slow to be usable against Halo's other weaponry. The BR right now is hitting that fine line; any slower and it will drop as the weapon of choice.



I hope those leaked screens are real and the BR stays the same with 12 rounds. I'm sick and tired of the random bullet spread of the current BR and the terrible rate of fire...
The point is that the BR has a high enough rate of fire due to the burst feature. At any range, a BR can out kill an AR if all the shots land.

Its damage is high enough that the effective rate of fire is more than adequate, increasing the fire rate would require an inverse decrease in the weapon's power to maintain the balance, which would still be too overbearing.

  • 11.15.2009 11:20 PM PDT

Screw competitive multiplayer. Work on the campaign. MLG has enough.

  • 11.15.2009 11:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: CookieMan
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Refer to my post right before yours CookieMan.

All I read in there was you talking about MLG.

I couldn't care less.


lol I didn't even mention MLG... I was referring to THIS...

"Cool story bro.


Statistics are just numbers to make things look fancy. The actual SHOOTING and you squeezing the trigger in the GAME is actually slow. Fast would be the Carbine, medium-slow is the BR, leaving the Magnum as slow. If you get any slower than the Magnum in a Halo game then it's just unbearable in Halo's pacing... The Magnum, as is, is almost to slow to be usable against Halo's other weaponry. The BR right now is hitting that fine line; any slower and it will drop as the weapon of choice.



I hope those leaked screens are real and the BR stays the same with 12 rounds. I'm sick and tired of the random bullet spread of the current BR and the terrible rate of fire..."


Now onto the other discussion...

Posted by: Uncle Kulikov
The point is that the BR has a high enough rate of fire due to the burst feature. At any range, a BR can out kill an AR if all the shots land.

Its damage is high enough that the effective rate of fire is more than adequate, increasing the fire rate would require an inverse decrease in the weapon's power to maintain the balance, which would still be too overbearing.


Halo 1 Pistol. That's all I gotta say.

Now let me guess, you're going to say the Halo 1 Pistol was unbalanced? (I'm talking about the weapon's functionality, not the fact that it was a Pistol with great power.)

[Edited on 11.16.2009 12:04 AM PST]

  • 11.16.2009 12:02 AM PDT

Had to throw my two cents in this thread even though I see tons of these threads. All of you 'MLG' people need to shut up and stop taking for granted the fact that Bungie has created two playlists (MLG and Snipers) in Halo 3 for you.

Wake up and realize that 'large part' of the community does not make up the entire community. There is also a large part of the community that enjoys using the entire array of weaponry that exists in Halo, including the AR. Please give the BR rants a break already.

I'm also curious to know if the OP has even played CoD which is by far a much more difficult shooter to master. How is it anyway noob-friendly?

[Edited on 11.16.2009 12:05 AM PST]

  • 11.16.2009 12:03 AM PDT

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Posted by: YakZSmelk
Had to throw my two cents in this thread even though I see tons of these threads. All of you 'MLG' people need to shut up and stop taking for granted the fact that Bungie has created two playlists (MLG and Snipers) in Halo 3 for you.

Wake up and realize that 'large part' of the community does not make up the entire community. There is also a large part of the community that enjoys using the entire array of weaponry that exists in Halo, including the AR. Please give the BR rants a break already.


I'm wondering who you are referring to?

  • 11.16.2009 12:04 AM PDT

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Posted by: YakZSmelk
Had to throw my two cents in this thread even though I see tons of these threads. All of you 'MLG' people need to shut up and stop taking for granted the fact that Bungie has created two playlists (MLG and Snipers) in Halo 3 for you.

Wake up and realize that 'large part' of the community does not make up the entire community. There is also a large part of the community that enjoys using the entire array of weaponry that exists in Halo, including the AR. Please give the BR rants a break already.


I'm wondering who you are referring to?


OP

  • 11.16.2009 12:05 AM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

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Now let me guess, you're going to say the Halo 1 Pistol was unbalanced? (I'm talking about the weapon's functionality, not the fact that it was a Pistol with great power.)
Yes. I think the Halo 1 pistol is unbalanced, because it is so much better than the other weapons available, that other weapons barely get used.

This is assuming that you spawn with the Halo 1 pistol.

The point is that the H1 magnum is so much better than the other weapons that they get used less, which to me, says that the H1 pistol is overpowered.

  • 11.16.2009 12:07 AM PDT

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Now let me guess, you're going to say the Halo 1 Pistol was unbalanced? (I'm talking about the weapon's functionality, not the fact that it was a Pistol with great power.)
Yes. I think the Halo 1 pistol is unbalanced, because it is so much better than the other weapons available, that other weapons barely get used.

This is assuming that you spawn with the Halo 1 pistol.

The point is that the H1 magnum is so much better than the other weapons that they get used less, which to me, says that the H1 pistol is overpowered.


I disagree with this, whenever I played LANs all weapons were utilized. Something you need to consider is the scale of the maps, Halo 1 had many small, close-quarters maps while Halo 2 and 3 had alot more large scale maps. The scale up in map size is what lead to the BR worship in the later games. Why would I pick up a Plasma Rifle when I'm gonna be engaging enemies at long range?

  • 11.16.2009 12:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: Uncle Kulikov
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Now let me guess, you're going to say the Halo 1 Pistol was unbalanced? (I'm talking about the weapon's functionality, not the fact that it was a Pistol with great power.)
Yes. I think the Halo 1 pistol is unbalanced, because it is so much better than the other weapons available, that other weapons barely get used.

This is assuming that you spawn with the Halo 1 pistol.

The point is that the H1 magnum is so much better than the other weapons that they get used less, which to me, says that the H1 pistol is overpowered.


Not true at all.

The Shotgun destroys the Pistol close range, as does the AR, the PR and even the PP (not to mention the stun effect of the PR and the PP). The Sniper destroys the Pistol at long ranges. The Rocket is possibly the only weapon I'd be iffy about being overpowered because it was an extreme BEAST in that game, especially when controlled. Oh... and the Needler was wayyyyyyyyy too goooooooooood.

But seriously, when you think about it, the role of the Pistol in Halo 1 fit perfectly as it was - a mid range weapon that is good at close range, but not BETTER than the ACTUAL close range weapons AND decent at long range.

  • 11.16.2009 12:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: Panzeereapa
Bungie doesn't care about MLG People!? Then why remake maps, create playlists, cater to the MLG player's needs?!

Maybe it's time the rest of the community got a word in edgewise. Personally, the complete removal of a legit skillz pro weapon would be the start. Reach is a game for the community. Not part of the community.


I'm going to give it to you straight. The people who play competitively spend WAY more per person than a casual gamer does. How much more?

Well..the casual gamer purchases the system...the subscription...the maps...and the game. That's it.

Logistically speaking, the competitive player purchases multiple systems because frankly...they wear them out.

The competitive player purchases right around 3 one year subscriptions in a consoles life. They also purchase the maps for every console.

The competitive player also wears out controllers usually once every 4 to 6 months. I went through 9 Xbox 180 controllers...and so far...5 360 controllers.


The casual gamer has a knack for switching gears to which ever game is the newest and most appealing purchase to them. Nothing wrong with that.

But...the competitive player will most likely have to purchase Multiple copies of a game. I have owned 3 copies of Halo 1, 3 copies of Halo 2, and so far 2 copies of Halo 3. Why? Because they wear out.

It makes total sense why a for-profit company would cater somewhat to a loyal fan base that they know are going to be around in 5 years. It's not only support...it's a cash cow.

The hardcore gamers opinion should be and is valued greatly...because frankly...we just play more than you...we spend more than you...and there is absolutely nothing you can say about that because money talks my man.

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  • 11.16.2009 5:12 AM PDT
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There's less tactical thinking necessary when you have a gun with a high rate of fire and damage (BR).




I stopped caring about your post after I read this, especially the stuff in italics. Clearly you have NO CLUE as to what you're talking about...


I know what you're saying about the BR being a relatively slow kill, but it does have a high ROF. It's the damage of the bullets that make the ROF less important. That being said, you have to remember that the BR does kill rather quickly, particularly considering it is usually used in combination with either a grenade/headshot, or team firing. Team firing makes kills nearly instantaneous with a mid-long ranged semi-precision weapon.

Personally, I think the BR has two problems : 1) Random bullet spread which emphasizes luck over skill, 2) burst headshots - How hard is it to headshot someone when you can aim at their chest or swipe the reticule across their head.

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I think its more of a matter of catering to people that may not be competitive but just do not enjoy random gameplay.

For some reason bungie just keeps making halo MP more and more random with each iteration of the franchise.

Why? I guess they figure thats the only way everyone can have fun.


This is EXACTLY how I feel. Myself and many others who argue for non-randomness and more skillful play are not MLG followers. I appreciate their thoughts on the game because they aren't ignorant followers of a company who defends their every move, they are generally concerned about good gameplay. However, I like hearing the fans of Bungie who tend to be more fanboys when it comes to campaign, storyline, etc. I don't see why there can't be mutual respect.

The people on the Bungie forums really show their bias towards MLG, and imprint that onto any issue they feel is somewhat similar to MLG. There are a lot of MLGers who come on here and are idiots, but that's largely because the intelligent ones have given up coming here since they can't have a respectable conversation.

  • 11.16.2009 5:28 AM PDT