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Subject: Halo has gotten worse ever since CE. How will Bungie break the cycle?

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actually imo halo 2 was better then halo1 the only thing halo 1 had was a good campagin with replay value halo2 had a good campagin with replay value and a good mm that people still play today halo3 was sub par and could have been better

  • 11.16.2009 2:20 PM PDT

Apparently people don't care about campaign as much. Look at MW2. Record breaking sales because of the multiplayer. Not the campaign. Same with Halo 3.

  • 11.16.2009 2:22 PM PDT

Posted by: MA5C 7RUTH
Apparently people don't care about campaign as much. Look at MW2. Record breaking sales because of the multiplayer. Not the campaign. Same with Halo 3.


If Im not mistaken...MW2 is available on more than just one console (ps3. Perhaps that is why sales were more? halo is a franchise for Xbox.

  • 11.16.2009 2:24 PM PDT

Stuffz....

Posted by: MA5C 7RUTH
Apparently people don't care about campaign as much. Look at MW2. Record breaking sales because of the multiplayer. Not the campaign. Same with Halo 3.


True, and it's a shame.

But I believe that Bungie will pull off an amazing game, both in MP and in Campaign.

  • 11.16.2009 2:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
...Are you seriously saying that you would prefer a new Halo game that could not support downloadable content?

Yes, gaming has gotten progressively worse since then arrival of patching and downloadable content.

  • 11.16.2009 2:26 PM PDT

Good, bad, I'm the guy with the clichéd lines.

Halo 1 single player is fine. But people always look at the multiplayer with rose-tinted glasses due to the lan parties.

  • 11.16.2009 2:26 PM PDT
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  • 11.16.2009 2:30 PM PDT

I am a Halo 3 Failure.

Halo CE had 10 levels, three of them are repeated levels, one of them is the Library (Worse then Cortana), it had the dumbest marines, and it had the Halo 1 Pistol, which is worse then the BR (It can kill someone with overshields using less then half a clip), and every single weapon besides the AR, Plasma Pistol, Needler, and Plasma Rifle was a power weapon.

Explain to me exactly why it was so good.

  • 11.16.2009 2:32 PM PDT

Posted by: spreadin cheaks
Many things.I think someone above displayed alot of the issues.

It would be beneficial to your argument if you were to express your own detailed opinions, instead of making simple generalizations and then riding coattails of other posters who go into very little detail themselves.

I think each game has had a good steady progression of gameplay features, continually raising the bar for allowing players to customize the multiplayer experience and come together in an online community to share those experiences. That is not to say that story and atmosphere play no role in the quality of the titles, but even the quality of those aspects is widely debated and highly subjective.

What is it, precisely, that you think made the original Halo superior to Halo2 and Halo3? If you can't be bothered to go into detail on it, I don't really understand why you posted the thread to begin with.

  • 11.16.2009 2:33 PM PDT

Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Halo CE had 10 levels, three of them are repeated levels, one of them is the Library (Worse then Cortana), it had the dumbest marines, and it had the Halo 1 Pistol, which is worse then the BR (It can kill someone with overshields using less then half a clip), and every single weapon besides the AR, Plasma Pistol, Needler, and Plasma Rifle was a power weapon.

Explain to me exactly why it was so good.


Dont take what im saying so literally. I didn't say to bring back a ghost of CE.

  • 11.16.2009 2:36 PM PDT

Worse, who are you to judge, Halo gets better and better.

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Please explain how I implied there to be no downloadable content? I basically said Halo ce did not have those aspects. BUT the game was still popular. MEANING the gameplay, story, and whatever else actually meant something to players. Today Bungie throws map packs and dangles Recon over players heads to keep us interested. Im tired of it.

we feel the need to do a psycho analysis of everything that people do or say because most of the time " THERE JUST HAS TO BE A SECRET MOTIVE"

okay, the reason that people played HALO: CE for so long was because there was nothing else to play! XBL was not around. the reason you loved HALO:CE so much is because you were just playing your friends and their moms. but now you are playing people that are better than you... with loss comes a tainted view of the game.

the games got better and you didn't adapt. I agree that CE was great and a more simplistic multiplayer would be cool. I could live without equipment but the game is still great!

here is my last comment... if you dont think the games are good go sell them and play something else that would interest you more.

  • 11.16.2009 2:39 PM PDT

I am a Halo 3 Failure.

Posted by: spreadin cheaks
Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Halo CE had 10 levels, three of them are repeated levels, one of them is the Library (Worse then Cortana), it had the dumbest marines, and it had the Halo 1 Pistol, which is worse then the BR (It can kill someone with overshields using less then half a clip), and every single weapon besides the AR, Plasma Pistol, Needler, and Plasma Rifle was a power weapon.

Explain to me exactly why it was so good.


Dont take what im saying so literally. I didn't say to bring back a ghost of CE.

And I never said that you did want to bring back CE, I'm asking you why it was so good, as in your original post / topic title, you said that Halo CE was the best Halo.

  • 11.16.2009 2:39 PM PDT

Posted by: Jeremiah
Posted by: spreadin cheaks
Many things.I think someone above displayed alot of the issues.

It would be beneficial to your argument if you were to express your own detailed opinions, instead of making simple generalizations and then riding coattails of other posters who go into very little detail themselves.

I think each game has had a good steady progression of gameplay features, continually raising the bar for allowing players to customize the multiplayer experience and come together in an online community to share those experiences. That is not to say that story and atmosphere play no role in the quality of the titles, but even the quality of those aspects is widely debated and highly subjective.

What is it, precisely, that you think made the original Halo superior to Halo2 and Halo3? If you can't be bothered to go into detail on it, I don't really understand why you posted the thread to begin with.


Idiot...there are many MAny MANy issues complaints etc that people complain about! What do you think these forums are always suggesting? New this, change that, do this different...there are more things wrong than right. I'm not going to go into detail about every little thing because everyone knows. Your asking my to describe how many dots are on a basketball when all you need to do is google it.

  • 11.16.2009 2:39 PM PDT

I am a Halo 3 Failure.

People are saying "Halo Reach should have A because of B", not "Halo Reach should have A because Halo CE was so awesome."

Your logic is flawed.

  • 11.16.2009 2:44 PM PDT

I'll help the OP out.

1. Unnecessary weapons: Halo 3 introduced stupid weapons such as the mauler and the spiker. These weapons add zero to gameplay. Also we have the shotgun, hammer, sword and mauler. We don;t need any more close range weapons.

2. Nerfing: Seems like in each game the weapons get weaker and weaker except for the needler which makes no sense. While all the weapons got weaker the warthog and its turret got stronger? two grenade sticks to kill a warthog are u joking?

3. Hit detection: Not sure but in Halo 3 seems like I get frustrated alot more about hit detection, grenade sticking on my screen, guy isn;t actually dead. stuff like that.

4. Addition of annoying and unnecessary game play changes: Sword clashing, shield doors etc.

Is that enough for you?


In halo CE there wasn't a guy standing behind a shield door with a shotgun waiting to kill you first because he is hostwhen you actually shot your gun first. Little annoyyances like this ruin halo 3.

[Edited on 11.16.2009 2:47 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2009 2:45 PM PDT

Posted by: Billy kite 69
I'll help the OP out.

1. Unnecessary weapons: Halo 3 introduced stupid weapons such as the mauler and the spiker. These weapons add zero to gameplay. Also we have the shotgun, hammer, sword and mauler. We don;t need any more close range weapons.

2. Nerfing: Seems like in each game the weapons get weaker and weaker except for the needler which makes no sense. While all the weapons got weaker the warthog and its turret got stronger? two grenade sticks to kill a warthog are u joking?

3. Hit detection: Not sure but in Halo 3 seems like I get frustrated alot more about hit detection, grenade sticking on my screen, guy isn;t actually dead. stuff like that.

4. Addition of annoying and unnecessary game play changes: Sword clashing, shield doors etc.

Is that enough for you?


I assumed people would already know the flaws...Why should I go into detail when it's not necessary?

  • 11.16.2009 2:49 PM PDT

Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
People are saying "Halo Reach should have A because of B", not "Halo Reach should have A because Halo CE was so awesome."

Your logic is flawed.


Nope. Halo ce has good aspects Bungie can use in Reach. Very good logic.

  • 11.16.2009 2:54 PM PDT

Your in Bad Company.

I think the landing in The covenant was a homage to The silent Cartographer.



  • 11.16.2009 2:55 PM PDT

I personally liked halo 2 a little better than halo 1, besides the auto aim. The br was more balanced than the op magnum in h1 and the h3 br.

  • 11.16.2009 2:55 PM PDT

Posted by: RELLIK PIR
Posted by: Irongam3r
imo, H:CE > H3:ODST > H3 > H2
BUT...
only in their time. Halo CE ALONE would fail today.(with updated graphics).


Well Online options would be a must today for a full game. If HCE was simply updated to modern standard without some other junk like theater it would still dominate the market. The games fundementals which 90% of gamers don't know how to comprehend Ala being cornel grade 2s and such. They would enjoy the game more but they still wouldn't know how to compare the 2.


Ummm no. How was theater junk? It's just another of the optional features that Halo 3 comes with. Halo: CE was great but people criticize Halo 3 for stupid reasons. Modern games should all have features like theater. Theater and forge are what put Halo 3 above and beyond other games.

Seriously? Aiming is messed up? Walking is messed up? Unless you are missing several fingers I do not see how aiming is confusing or hard.

Dissing Halo 3? You think it sucked? I'm pretty sure you didn't get the same game I got. I got a game FULL of features and a AMAZING multiplayer mode. It had a rather short campaign but I keep on coming back to Halo 3.

Halo 3 has qualities of a great FPS. It keeps on dragging me back in. Halo: CE is AMAZING! Yet...overrated. Memory and nastalgia are not to be relied upon.

/rant

I'm gonna be called a fanboy boy so I might as well say that I enjoy MW2 a lot. I also love Halo: CE's campaign..

[Edited on 11.16.2009 3:04 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2009 2:57 PM PDT

Your in Bad Company.

Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Halo CE had 10 levels, three of them are repeated levels, one of them is the Library (Worse then Cortana), it had the dumbest marines, and it had the Halo 1 Pistol, which is worse then the BR (It can kill someone with overshields using less then half a clip), and every single weapon besides the AR, Plasma Pistol, Needler, and Plasma Rifle was a power weapon.

Explain to me exactly why it was so good.
Over-powered weapons do not mean a game wasn't good. The grenades may have created minature nuclear explosions when they detonated but it wasn't as if you enemies or people in multiplayer didn't have the exact same weapons as you.

  • 11.16.2009 2:59 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

Posted by: MJOLNIR WARRIOR
Halo was only better because it had a much better single player. The multiplayer only seemed better because it was LAN only and playing with friends just made it seem more epic. If Halo: CE were released for the first time today(meaning none of the other halo games were ever made) with updated graphics it would epically fail.

I doubt it, Shooters would probably be heavily behind or different if Halo CE had not been released until today. Halo would still be fairly big.

  • 11.16.2009 3:00 PM PDT

Your in Bad Company.

Posted by: RELLIK PIR
Posted by: TPGBaseOfSpades
Halo CE had 10 levels, three of them are repeated levels, one of them is the Library (Worse then Cortana), it had the dumbest marines, and it had the Halo 1 Pistol, which is worse then the BR (It can kill someone with overshields using less then half a clip), and every single weapon besides the AR, Plasma Pistol, Needler, and Plasma Rifle was a power weapon.

Explain to me exactly why it was so good.


Your knocking every good thing about HCE and the foundation that created this series. The best part about library was how super hard it was. It took incredible resource and weapon skills to make it through that death trap. Even replaying it gave me more exitent 8 years later than the H3 did the first time.
Well, more or less what you've just said is a personal opinion. I liked the Library but I liked other levels more. Key word is I and Liked. You love that level, that's a personal opinion you can't say it's better, and you can't say that Halo's level design is the foundation for the entire series since they made a concious (sp) effort to not recycle like the Did in CE.

(not trying to start a fight by the way)

  • 11.16.2009 3:07 PM PDT

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