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Subject: Halo has gotten worse ever since CE. How will Bungie break the cycle?

Posted by: RELLIK PIR
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Halo CE had 10 levels, three of them are repeated levels, one of them is the Library (Worse then Cortana), it had the dumbest marines, and it had the Halo 1 Pistol, which is worse then the BR (It can kill someone with overshields using less then half a clip), and every single weapon besides the AR, Plasma Pistol, Needler, and Plasma Rifle was a power weapon.

Explain to me exactly why it was so good.


Your knocking every good thing about HCE and the foundation that created this series. The best part about library was how super hard it was. It took incredible resource and weapon skills to make it through that death trap. Even replaying it gave me more exitent 8 years later than the H3 did the first time.


I had a harder time on Cortana. The library wasn't that hard. All I needed to beat it on say...Heroic is a pistol and AR. On Cortana, I'm constantly changing weapons, figuring things out, and fighting to survive.

Not taking away that the Library was still rather difficult.
/mini-rant

  • 11.16.2009 3:08 PM PDT

Posted by: spreadin cheaks
Idiot...there are many MAny MANy issues complaints etc that people complain about! What do you think these forums are always suggesting? New this, change that, do this different...there are more things wrong than right. I'm not going to go into detail about every little thing because everyone knows. Your asking my to describe how many dots are on a basketball when all you need to do is google it.

You are the advocate for your own opinion, it is your responsibility to justify your position. I don't ever recall any lawyer winning a case by citing that the judge should go find his own evidence.

Opinions vary, your dots on a basketball metaphor would be valid if we were disicussing facts, but we're talking about opinions. Just because a few people collectively agree on an opinion does not make it a fact, especially when there is a collective disagreement on the same issue.

I appreciate the random insult though, it was probably the most productive part of your argument.

  • 11.16.2009 3:09 PM PDT
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Posted by: RELLIK PIR
If all the maps on launch were as good as they should be YES. If we got a proper map editor like any modern game should. YES

Super impose HCE onto H3s foundation and I would never play H3 again.


So you don't want any maps after the game releases? There would be a lot of good maps that would never see the light of day, then.

What other first person console shooters have a "proper" map editor? Proper is completely subjective. Forge is a great tool for everyone to use.

Super impose ce on halo 3 foundation? Then you'd have ce images that plays like halo 3, the game you completely despise and will never let anyone forget...

  • 11.16.2009 3:10 PM PDT

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um well i though all of their games were great! why is it that every game bungie comes out every one loves it but once a new game comes out that was made by another developer everyone has to say that bungies latest game sucks!!! i hate that!

  • 11.16.2009 3:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Jeremiah
[quote]Posted by: spreadin cheaks

I appreciate the random insult though, it was probably the most productive part of your argument.
He worked hard on it. You can tell because it was so original.


Their is nothing wrong with stating what you believe to be right, but you should never act as if a (your) opinion is fact.

  • 11.16.2009 3:11 PM PDT

Posted by: Jeremiah
Posted by: spreadin cheaks
Idiot...there are many MAny MANy issues complaints etc that people complain about! What do you think these forums are always suggesting? New this, change that, do this different...there are more things wrong than right. I'm not going to go into detail about every little thing because everyone knows. Your asking my to describe how many dots are on a basketball when all you need to do is google it.

You are the advocate for your own opinion, it is your responsibility to justify your position. I don't ever recall any lawyer winning a case by citing that the judge should go find his own evidence.

Opinions vary, your dots on a basketball metaphor would be valid if we were disicussing facts, but we're talking about opinions. Just because a few people collectively agree on an opinion does not make it a fact, especially when there is a collective disagreement on the same issue.

I appreciate the random insult though, it was probably the most productive part of your argument.


Your very welcome on the insult. and it's not that i don't have Examples, it's just i don't feel like going through each and everyone of them. Most of which will get poked at anyway. Go search bar if you want examples.

  • 11.16.2009 3:13 PM PDT

[/quote]He worked hard on it. You can tell because it was so original.


Their is nothing wrong with stating what you believe to be right, but you should never act as if a (your) opinion is fact.[/quote]

Lol...talk about irony. How would you know If I worked on that insult 'very hard? because it was so original?' Sounds like an assumption that you are portraying true. Opinion much?

[Edited on 11.16.2009 3:20 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2009 3:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Posted by: Carolina Fan 46
Explain why Halo CE was so good then, and why Halo 3 was so bad.

For one the campaign was longer. more detailed, (not graphic wise), and it didn't get old.

Right now if i were to pop in halo CE i know i would play, The maw, truth and reconciliation, any level with flood, silent cartographer,etc.

While halo 3 i do have levels i like to plat but they just weren't as long as i wish they were. Cortana was a very good level it just didn't go to the lengths that the player wanted like the final encounter with the gravemind. the storm was good but it didn't really have the "epicness" as we expected from the trailer.

So yes halo 3 was a good game despite what people feel about it multiplayer wise (which didn't live to expectations ether) campaign is what drives the halo series and halo 3 just didn't live up to the hype or what we were lead to believe.

  • 11.16.2009 3:18 PM PDT

Stop claiming Halo: CE's levels were super open. They're just as open as Halo 3's. The Ark, the Covenant, and Sierra 117 were pretty cool to explore if you ask me. Sure Halo: CE had the Silent Carthographer, which I consider to be the equal the Ark, but Halo: CE also had very linear levels. And repetitive as hell, too.

It seems people are too stuck the the notion that ''originals are always better''. They're not. Halo 3 is amazing, stop trying to nitpick it to make it seem like it got worse. I could easily do the same with Halo: CE. While I am for things such as the removal of a 3 shot burst fire weapon, it doesn't mean Halo: CE is automatically godly and that Bungie has to trash every improvement they've made with Halo 2 & 3.

[Edited on 11.16.2009 3:21 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2009 3:20 PM PDT

Posted by: spreadin cheaks
[/quote]He worked hard on it. You can tell because it was so original.


Their is nothing wrong with stating what you believe to be right, but you should never act as if a (your) opinion is fact.[/quote]

Lol...talk about irony. How would you know If I worked on that insult 'very hard? because it was so original?' Sounds like an assumption that you are portraying true. Opinion much?

  • 11.16.2009 3:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: MJOLNIR WARRIOR
Halo was only better because it had a much better single player. The multiplayer only seemed better because it was LAN only and playing with friends just made it seem more epic. If Halo: CE were released for the first time today(meaning none of the other halo games were ever made) with updated graphics it would epically fail.


That is quite the myopic view. It doesn't seem like you remember or are acknowledging exactly how much Bungie influenced the market. Many companies just had zero idea how to do an FPS right on console. Then Bungie came in and said "Oh, here you go."

So if you took away all other Halo games you would in essence have to take away all others inspired by what Bungie accomplished. If Halo 1 was released today...it would most likely do exactly the same thing it did. Change the FPS console experience forever.

  • 11.16.2009 3:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Posted by: ABotelho
Stop claiming Halo: CE's levels were super open. They're just as open as Halo 3's. The Ark, the Covenant, and Sierra 117 were pretty cool to explore if you ask me. Sure Halo: CE had the Silent Carthographer, which I consider to be the equal the Ark, but Halo: CE also had very linear levels. And repetitive as hell, too.

It seems people are too stuck the the notion that ''originals are always better''. They're not. Halo 3 is amazing, stop trying to nitpick it to make it seem like it got worse. I could easily do the same with Halo: CE. While I am for things such as the removal of a 3 shot burst fire weapon, it doesn't mean Halo: CE is automatically godly and that Bungie has to trash every improvement they've made with Halo 2 & 3.

The levels were "super open" in halo 3 while you can get out of levels you won't find much and nearly every "good place" has a barrier. story wise halo 3 wasn't good, while it fits it just isn't really that satisfying and im not talking about the ending ether just how things were done pre-climax.

Taking the elites out is probably what hurt halo 3, most of use were expecting atleast 2 or 3 levels of elite fighting until the alliance was recognized then we fight the brutes as allies. but instead he just have what 1 level with elite allies if i remember right? and if you think the brutes are formidable opponents then your gameplay is down, i had to put all of the skulls on for it to feel anywhere near challenging and yes it still didn't feel as satisfying as killing an ultra elite on cario station legendary.

Halo 3 just skipped out alot of gameplay elements that could have been added, such as brutes ramming marines and beating them to death, or an elite with duel swords chopping up a brute, and what ever happening to the ability to shoot off limbs? go back and see all the stuff that the developers planned and wanted to put in halo 3 and see what's in now and you should agree that we got the short stick. hell the multiplayer armors aren't even as detailed nor high in number as were told nor do the elites have any good Armour perms compared to what they were suppose to have.

I understand games change but halo 3 change too drastically in the final phases of development.

  • 11.16.2009 3:34 PM PDT

Posted by: spreadin cheaks
Posted by: spreadin cheaks
[/quote]He worked hard on it. You can tell because it was so original.


Their is nothing wrong with stating what you believe to be right, but you should never act as if a (your) opinion is fact.[/quote]

Lol...talk about irony. How would you know If I worked on that insult 'very hard? because it was so original?' Sounds like an assumption that you are portraying true. Opinion much?


-the..?

  • 11.16.2009 3:35 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

Posted by: Hylebos
...Are you seriously saying that you would prefer a new Halo game that could not support downloadable content?
Or matchmaking?

Or Forge?

Or Theater?

Or Firefight?

  • 11.16.2009 3:37 PM PDT

Posted by: SubSub
Posted by: spreadin cheaks
Posted by: spreadin cheaks
[/quote]He worked hard on it. You can tell because it was so original.


Their is nothing wrong with stating what you believe to be right, but you should never act as if a (your) opinion is fact.[/quote]

Lol...talk about irony. How would you know If I worked on that insult 'very hard? because it was so original?' Sounds like an assumption that you are portraying true. Opinion much?


-the..?


Can i help you?

  • 11.16.2009 3:38 PM PDT

I totally agree. Gameplay and story wise Halo CE was much better. All they have to do with reach is go back to original halo ce style gameplay, add better graphics, forge and theater and it would kick ass

  • 11.16.2009 3:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Posted by: DemonKing424
I totally agree. Gameplay and story wise Halo CE was much better. All they have to do with reach is go back to original halo ce style gameplay, add better graphics, forge and theater and it would kick ass
The funny thing is.... i actually like the halo CE graphics i think it flows with the gameplay alot. im not saying halo 3 or any other game should have them now, no, but i do like them and believe that it really does grow on you.

  • 11.16.2009 3:46 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101

Halo 3 just skipped out alot of gameplay elements that could have been added, such as brutes ramming marines and beating them to death, or an elite with duel swords chopping up a brute, and what ever happening to the ability to shoot off limbs? go back and see all the stuff that the developers planned and wanted to put in halo 3 and see what's in now and you should agree that we got the short stick. hell the multiplayer armors aren't even as detailed nor high in number as were told nor do the elites have any good Armour perms compared to what they were suppose to have.

I understand games change but halo 3 change too drastically in the final phases of development.


This happens to pretty much all games. Even Halo:CE. If you look back at the super old videos you'll see a variety of weapons that never got into any of the final Halo games. Half-Life 2 beta had some crazy ideas, and about triple the amount of enemies the shipped version did, but they were cut due to time constraints and just for the sake of the game.

It's not like with whatever project a company has(whether it be a game company or a film studio or whatever)it has to put in every idea that comes up in the development cycle, because sometimes ideas aren't suitable for the final product.

  • 11.16.2009 3:46 PM PDT

Posted by: spreadin cheaks
Posted by: SubSub
Posted by: spreadin cheaks
Posted by: spreadin cheaks
[/quote]He worked hard on it. You can tell because it was so original.


Their is nothing wrong with stating what you believe to be right, but you should never act as if a (your) opinion is fact.[/quote]

Lol...talk about irony. How would you know If I worked on that insult 'very hard? because it was so original?' Sounds like an assumption that you are portraying true. Opinion much?


-the..?


Can i help you?


I just could not understand what you typed.

Incomprehensible.

  • 11.16.2009 3:49 PM PDT
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A hero need not speak. When he is gone, the world will speak for him.

Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob
Nostalgia Filter.



QFT.

Large portions of CE feel like "filler" when played through again.

From a technical standpoint, each game has improved on the last. Only rose-colored glasses make people think otherwise.

[Edited on 11.16.2009 3:54 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2009 3:51 PM PDT

Posted by: grey101
Posted by: ABotelho


Like I sorta mentioned, yes, Halo: CE had some elements that were superior to that of Halo 3. But who could refuse, that the Elite plot twist of Halo 2 was in fact very brilliant, and it sacrificed playing against Elites in Halo 3. Elites were in fact much funner and action orientated then Brutes, they moved around a lot, and took cover much more often, forcing you to risk getting out of your own cover to go finish one off; only to get destroyed by other enemies.

It's just the fact that people consider Halo: CE THE game to imitate for Reach, when it itself had many flaws. Halo 2 & 3 have many things that are improved/better then Halo: CE. People seem to ignore said things. Why would you possibly want boarding removed? Honestly?

If people are smart, they would hope including everything that was good in the past Halo games, instead of following one of them. Why not make this game the ultimate Halo game? Let Halo: Reach be Halo: Reach, not Halo: CE, not Halo 2, not Halo 3. Let it be a combination of the good things of the series, and more.

  • 11.16.2009 3:51 PM PDT

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  • 11.16.2009 3:52 PM PDT

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Can i help you?[/quote]

I just could not understand what you typed.

Incomprehensible.


Well let me elaborate...This guy says it's ok to point out your opinions buy ONLY if you don't portray them to be true. Then he goes on to assume and throw out opinions of his own as if they are true. Basically, hypocricy and irony wrapped up in a delicious flour tortilla.

  • 11.16.2009 3:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: ABotelho
Like I sorta mentioned, yes, Halo: CE had some elements that were superior to that of Halo 3. But who could refuse, that the Elite plot twist of Halo 2 was in fact very brilliant, and it sacrificed playing against Elites in Halo 3. Elites were in fact much funner and action orientated then Brutes, they moved around a lot, and took cover much more often, forcing you to risk getting out of your own cover to go finish one off; only to get destroyed by other enemies.

It's just the fact that people consider Halo: CE THE game to imitate for Reach, when it itself had many flaws. Halo 2 & 3 have many things that are improved/better then Halo: CE. People seem to ignore said things. Why would you possibly want boarding removed? Honestly?

If people are smart, they would hope including everything that was good in the past Halo games, instead of following one of them. Why not make this game the ultimate Halo game? Let Halo: Reach be Halo: Reach, not Halo: CE, not Halo 2, not Halo 3. Let it be a combination of the good things of the series, and more.

The problem with Halo 2 was not the twist, but the fact that it wasn't supposed to be only Halo 2. Halo 2 was supposed to be the final Halo game and Bungie had planned that. But development changes and Microsoft changed that plan and what we got was a bunch of revealing information and the sacrafice of Elites as enemies in Halo 3. Halo 2 practically killed the persona of the Covenant and turned them into just another variation of Humans. They lost their mysterious, dangerous and aggressive feel. Halo 3 did a good job of bringing some of that back but honestly the damage Halo 2 had done was irreversible on Halo's image.

If Halo 2 had been the last of the series, Halo 2 wouldn't have been so irritating.

  • 11.16.2009 3:57 PM PDT

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