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I think Elites should wear combat armor, with blue, red, black/purple, gold, and white/silver, with Elite Rangers here and their, preferably the Halo 2 varient, not the Halo 3 perm. The Elite helmet should occasionally be different, like in Halo CE.

The Elite AI should be a mix between Halo 1 & 2, some, usually low to mid ranked/sword wielding/duel wielding elites will generally charge at you, and act like the agressive Halo 1 elites, while some higher ranked/carbine wielding elites will usually fight from a distance, but when they are lacking any objects to use or hide behind, they quickly turn agressive. The Ranger Elites can be similar to the Halo 2 variant, but slightly more agressive.

Like Halo 2 Elites, if opportunity is present, and a vehicle is empty, they will use it, even if its a human vehicle, rather than scripting an elite to use a vehicle, while the rest of the elites in the area ignore the vehicle, even if the pilot dies.

An exception would be for vehicles that you have to use to progress through a level, such vehicles should be ignored by any AI.

As for the Shield system, no major changes needed, except that the Zealot/gold elites should have a shields as strong, if not stronger than a Ultra/white elite's shields, and should be able withstand a sticky nade on normal and higher difficulties if their shields are not heavily depleted.

As for my last oppinion on this topic, im not asking for overly complex or realistic AI, im just asking for elites that are not only tough, but tough enough, that you get a sense of fear when you face them, just please don't tone them down in Reach.

  • 11.18.2009 8:53 AM PDT

Posted by: Chupanebre627
I want Reach to be gory. I want the game to be brutal.


It has to be the blackest, most metal, most brutal game ever made.

  • 11.18.2009 8:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: Kasith
As for my last oppinion on this topic, im not asking for overly complex or realistic AI, im just asking for elites that are not only tough, but tough enough, that you get a sense of fear when you face them, just please don't tone them down in Reach.


Very true, AI needs improvement.

I mean, in CE I almost cried whenever I saw an elite using gold armor because I knew he'd have an energy sword and he just wouldn't die! I would shoot him and shootim him and he would keep running like he's beserk.

That, was something I loved.

  • 11.18.2009 11:05 AM PDT

Posted by: Chupanebre627
That's exactly what I'm getting at. It just doesn't feel real.

Oh, and dear god, all the colours of the rainbow...MAKE THEM STOP!!!

=)


Yeah Bungie really needs to step their game up and blow everyone away... All these other great titles that are just out or coming out are doing so, it's time for bungie to raise the bar, and WOW us again... And Bungie, water doesn't really wow us!

  • 11.18.2009 11:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: Master Megatron
Having spent four games making the Marines look like the UNSC gave three-year-olds rifles, I don't think Bungie could ever make me care that Useless Marine #870 Trillion died.

We don't NEED a more brutal, gorier experience. Take CoD 4 and Modern Warfare 2, for example. There's maybe a bit more blood, but it was all intense. I always felt like I was in a battle, whether I was combing a city for Al-Asad or fighting through the still-burning ruins of Washington, D.C.

THAT is what Reach needs, not more gore. It needs to FEEL like a losing battle. The last line of defense before Earth is about to fall, and humanity's giving everything it's got against a foe that will win. It needs to feel like that. Watching a Marine get impaled by a Zealot won't make that happen.


That kinda the point we've been making.

When people say they want the game brutal. They mean they went hell.

We want to feel desperate when on the battlefiel defending Reach to the last man stading.

I hope bungie gets it right this time.

Halo 3 was and still is great in my mind, but it could be alot better when it came to the kind of missions in campaing.

  • 11.18.2009 11:28 AM PDT

Let this die.

You got that RIGHT!
More Brutal and Violence is what we need!
and that feeling of satisfaction with every ouch comes out of an Elite/Brute!

  • 11.18.2009 11:40 AM PDT

I agree with the OP.

I believe that Bungie should definitely try to bring some emotion and feeling into the campaign of this game. It would positively affect the story of such an amazing and epic game.

  • 11.18.2009 11:40 AM PDT

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Update #2

  • 11.18.2009 1:21 PM PDT

Posted by: Pulse Cloud
Well, this is an interesting topic.
The actual thing I like the most in the Gears of War games was the gore, cause c'mon.. the plot sucked arse.

I'm not the type of guy that gets all hyped up with a game, but if it was like Elfen Lied (not a game, guys, not a game), it would certainly be one of the games of our lives.

Not talking about the imense gore, I'm talking about the deepeness of feelings the story produces. If there was a little more gore AND violence (totally different things) in the game it would be more real, more sad. Because it's a sad story, really.
It would also help if the environment was actually destructable.

tl;dr:
Like other people said, it would have to be a lot more brutal. The Covenant are obliterating the planet and everyone in it, how could it not be pure Hell?


If you don't know what Elfen Lied is, google it, watch it, read it, live it. You'll be a different person afterwards. :)


<Sorry for any spelling mistakes, I'm in a different computer using IE [o crap]>

EDIT: I'm assuming the plot is about the Covenant obliterating Reach...

i had a 10 year old watch it he was mentally f####ed up it was hilarious ps. i love elfen lied just not for ppl under age of 15

  • 11.18.2009 1:37 PM PDT
Subject: I hope Bungie makes us hate the covenant. EDIT #2

Stupidity, when sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic

NO WAY! Halo isnt worth playing without IWHBYD

  • 11.18.2009 1:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: supertripon
NO WAY! Halo isnt worth playing without IWHBYD


Maybe they could make IWHBYD not just what it is...adding extra funny dialogue.

But actually unluck ALL funny dialogue.

And if you turn it off it is serious again...

  • 11.18.2009 1:55 PM PDT

Posted by: DarkWinder_7
Posted by: supertripon
NO WAY! Halo isnt worth playing without IWHBYD


Maybe they could make IWHBYD not just what it is...adding extra funny dialogue.

But actually unluck ALL funny dialogue.

And if you turn it off it is serious again...


Agreed. But IWHBYD is to halo as the BR is to MLG

  • 11.18.2009 3:37 PM PDT

i think that battling a single elite should be an epic tale all in its own. because elites and spartans were supposedly equal in a batlle yet on legendary throughout halo 2 and halo 3 they were chump change... why not bring back the elites in Halo CE that we all had to resort to cowardice when our health was low. then in turn come up with an elaborate plan to bring that SoB down!

  • 11.18.2009 3:41 PM PDT
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Halo without Bungie is like a cookie made without love.

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Posted by: Chupanebre627
I want Reach to be gory. I want the game to be brutal.


It has to be the blackest, most metal, most brutal game ever made.

just buy brutal legend you 2 ppl O_O we dont want it that brutal

  • 11.18.2009 5:06 PM PDT
Subject: I hope Bungie makes us hate the covenant. EDIT #2

Halo without Bungie is like a cookie made without love.

Posted by: DarkWinder_7
Posted by: woooooooo13
i heard gore so il say this. . .
on the "viddoc:et tu brute?" before halo 3 they presented lots of gore i think, i remember an animation of an elite dual wielding swords vs a brute where the elite pushes him down, cuts both his arms off and stabs the brute's armless body.
also a brute nailing a marine to the ground with his hammer.
also a brute mercilessly punching a wounded marine on the ground.
also a brute charging a marine against the wall.

Bungie? why did you cut this off from Halo 3?

Edit: if bungie didnt have cut this from the game, i think we would have hated the covenant a lil more


True, like mentioned above I really wanna feel that I need to help my marines, because they are in agony.

i think they cut some because they didn't have enough space and didnt want sword dual wielding

[Edited on 11.18.2009 5:09 PM PST]

  • 11.18.2009 5:08 PM PDT
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Please keep gore off of Reach and leave it only when fighting the Flood.

Gore is an unnecessary, useless gimmick.

Make Reach darker, grittier, a more serious plot, and add a feeling of hopelessness and desperation, just how H:CE was.

  • 11.18.2009 5:29 PM PDT
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Reach needs to fully encompass the brutality and feeling of hopelessness from the books. The impending feeling of failure lingered throughout every book, no matter how much they succeeded, they could not win the bigger battle. I want the feeling of desperation. The image of the enemy being a brutal, ruthless warrior series of races really added emotion and wishes for the "good guys" to win. I hope they can show all this.

  • 11.18.2009 5:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: MLD ShortStuff
I want to see brutal, violent, killing machines. I want a Brute to rip off a Marine's head, roar in my face, and destroy my body with one swipe of my hand.
I want Elites to take their time shoving the Energy Swords into my allies. When that happens, I want the marines to scream. Then,they charge me with a war cry.
I want Hunters to demolish entire platoons of Marines with one swipe. I want them to be quick, efficient, and most importantly, deadly, killers. Then they turn towards me.
I want the Grunts and Jackals to be serious. No more "Oh no! I've seen it before, he's gonna crush us with his ass!"
I want the fight to be personal. I want to see like I want -like I need- to help the Marines. I want to feel a chunk of me die with every one of them. I want it to be REAL.

Want this. So much.

Reach needs a really powerful and intense atmosphere. Dark and desperate, somewhat like ODST, but turned up a notch. Hell, turned up two or three notches. I almost hate to say it... but Modern Warfare 2 is a great example. (Because, as much as I dislike it, even I have to admit that MW2 looks and feels absolutely amazing.)

However: What I do not want is a "No Russian"-style level. It's possible to induce fear and hatred without going to that extreme, kthx.

  • 11.18.2009 5:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Melz
Posted by: MLD ShortStuff
I want to see brutal, violent, killing machines. I want a Brute to rip off a Marine's head, roar in my face, and destroy my body with one swipe of my hand.
I want Elites to take their time shoving the Energy Swords into my allies. When that happens, I want the marines to scream. Then,they charge me with a war cry.
I want Hunters to demolish entire platoons of Marines with one swipe. I want them to be quick, efficient, and most importantly, deadly, killers. Then they turn towards me.
I want the Grunts and Jackals to be serious. No more "Oh no! I've seen it before, he's gonna crush us with his ass!"
I want the fight to be personal. I want to see like I want -like I need- to help the Marines. I want to feel a chunk of me die with every one of them. I want it to be REAL.

Want this. So much.

Reach needs a really powerful and intense atmosphere. Dark and desperate, somewhat like ODST, but turned up a notch. Hell, turned up two or three notches. I almost hate to say it... but Modern Warfare 2 is a great example. (Because, as much as I dislike it, even I have to admit that MW2 looks and feels absolutely amazing.)

However: What I do not want is a "No Russian"-style level. It's possible to induce fear and hatred without going to that extreme, kthx.


The only thing I think when I play MW2 is :"This is an action movie"

So I kinda don't care much for the plot.

But I love the intensity on every level, how you're always at danger.

If Bungie could add those feature to their amazing plot, Reach would possibly be the best game ever created.

  • 11.19.2009 3:11 AM PDT
Subject: I hope Bungie makes us hate the covenant. EDIT #2

there pretty hairy and stuff there like carebears

  • 11.19.2009 3:15 AM PDT
Subject: I hope Bungie makes us hate the covenant.

Posted by: cyclopsdias
yes but i dont think an elite would leave a sword inside somebodies chest just to watch them die.a brute would.elites are warriors like spartans not beasts

PS.i m judging only from the games not the books cause i havent read them.this is also my opinion only.i can sure as hell be fault

Yeah, you need to read the books.

Elites kind of enjoyed watching humans suffer. They'd rather watch a marine with a sword in his chest stay there than finishing him off. Knowing Elites, if no more danger was imminent, they'd probably also blabber onto the suffering marine about "the will of the gods."

=)

  • 11.19.2009 3:32 AM PDT

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