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Subject: Do you want No-Scope Headshot medals in Reach?

I say no, because that would give you the no scope for all weapons you head shot with when you don't scope. Just be happy you have that skill figured out. I don't think they are all that special.

[Edited on 11.17.2009 3:08 PM PST]

  • 11.17.2009 3:07 PM PDT

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: Commando Santos
Dude I'm going to be honest, some of my no scopes are done at long range, but for that you need stealth. Well along with a good position of course, but not lately... to sum things up... some of us can do no-scopes at either medium range and/or long range. And if thats luck, well call us lucky...
Also I once no-scoped a guy and got a bulltrue(I think thats how you type it) and he wasn't attacking me!

Most every no-scope at mid-long range was preceded by scoping in and having yourself de-scoped just before firing yet still claiming the head shot. Quick scoping is also not a no-scope, and would blur the line between what does and does not deserve a medal. Head shots are difficult enough, we don't need to reward people for being plain reckless. And the kill you described says nothing about circumstance or how lucky you were, just that it happened.

My best kill was in Halo 2 with the rockets on Coagulation. Two warthogs at exactly the same time for a killtrocity (two full hogs). I didn't plan it that way, but it happened. I did it, but I won't claim it as my own skill. It was heavily based on luck and coincidence, as are many no-scopes.


First, I thought a quick-scope was aiming at a person, scoping, and then shooting quickly after wards (less than a second or so.) This means that the no-scope medal wouldn't be awarded for these types of kills.

Second, it would NOT blur the line between what doesn't deserve the medal or not because EVERY head shot no-scope is a no-scope. If you run at someone with a sniper and get de-scoped, it still takes skill and/or luck to get the head shot because being de-scoped is highly disorienting.

Finally, many no-scopes are lucky, but you would easily be able to tell the difference between a no-scope pro and a lucky noob by comparing the frequency of their no-scope medals with their kill-to-death ratio and skill level. If they frequently are reckless and always go for the no-scope they'll probably have alot of them, but they'll also have a really bad k/d ratio. On the other hand, someone who is a smart player might go for no-scopes when absolutely necessary to survive will have a good k/d ratio, but won't have to many no-scopes. Then there might be someone who goes for and gets no-scopes consistently. That person would have a good k/d and lots of no-scopes which would mean that they are either really, REALLY lucky or just have skillz.

In the end, you just really can't go wrong with the no-scope medal, but if you're really bent on the notion that ALL no-scopes are due to luck then you could just choose to ignore the medals.

  • 11.17.2009 3:12 PM PDT

Posted by: Stelios010
I say no, because that would give you the no scope for all weapons you head shot with when you don't scope. Just be happy you have that skill figured out. I don't think they are all that special.


In the post I said no-scope head shots with the sniper would equal a no-scope medal.

  • 11.17.2009 3:14 PM PDT
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dude no scoope is easy learn how then. if you can someone add me my gamertag is aiithatremains2 with two ii at the first of it..

  • 11.17.2009 3:18 PM PDT
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A Body shot no-scope is STILL a no-scope.

  • 11.17.2009 3:19 PM PDT

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  • 11.17.2009 3:21 PM PDT

Posted by: iEMoTiioNz v1
A Body shot no-scope is STILL a no-scope.


But it's easy to do.

Medals are supposed to be for something special.

Maybe like a no-scope headshot or something...

  • 11.17.2009 3:22 PM PDT

Posted by: SSLYK
everyone vote YES!!!!!!!!!!!


I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Edited on 11.17.2009 3:35 PM PST]

  • 11.17.2009 3:31 PM PDT
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Melee is a medal and its WAY easier than no-scoping someone.

  • 11.17.2009 3:35 PM PDT

Posted by: Demo1313
Posted by: iEMoTiioNz v1
A Body shot no-scope is STILL a no-scope.


I Agree, a lot of my friends say it has to be a no scope headshot but the definition of a no scope is a kill with a sniper without using the scope. I think that there should just be a medal for No Scope Headshots though. also y not give Double,triple,etc. No Scope Headshot medals. The More the Merrier Right?


Exactly my point.

  • 11.17.2009 3:36 PM PDT

Posted by: iEMoTiioNz v1
Melee is a medal and its WAY easier than no-scoping someone.


But people usually ignore melee medals or even use them to flame other people because they melee excessively. The no-scope head shot would work the opposite way.

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No-scope HEADSHOT medal
No-scope BODYSHOT medal

  • 11.17.2009 3:39 PM PDT

Posted by: iEMoTiioNz v1
No-scope HEADSHOT medal
No-scope BODYSHOT medal


Well...

Then what would the anouncer say?

NO SCOPE HEAD SHOT!!!!

NO SCOPE BODY SHOT!!!!

It would also be unnecessary because you can figure out how many no-scope body shots you got by doing this:

Total sniper kills MINUS snipe medals MINUS no-scope medals = no-scope body shots

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  • 11.17.2009 3:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: iEMoTiioNz v1
Melee is a medal and its WAY easier than no-scoping someone.

Correction, killing with melee is a medal and it doesn't always happen that way. It is also extremely limited unlike a no-scope which is a huge gray area and can constantly happen accidentally.

  • 11.17.2009 3:47 PM PDT

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: iEMoTiioNz v1
Melee is a medal and its WAY easier than no-scoping someone.

Correction, killing with melee is a medal and it doesn't always happen that way. It is also extremely limited unlike a no-scope which is a huge gray area and can constantly happen accidentally.


I agree about the melees, but like I said before about lucky no-scopes:

Finally, many no-scopes are lucky, but you would easily be able to tell the difference between a no-scope pro and a lucky noob by comparing the frequency of their no-scope medals with their kill-to-death ratio and skill level. If they frequently are reckless and always go for the no-scope they'll probably have alot of them, but they'll also have a really bad k/d ratio. On the other hand, someone who is a smart player might go for no-scopes when absolutely necessary to survive will have a good k/d ratio, but won't have to many no-scopes. Then there might be someone who goes for and gets no-scopes consistently. That person would have a good k/d and lots of no-scopes which would mean that they are either really, REALLY lucky or just have skillz.

  • 11.17.2009 3:50 PM PDT

I'm out.

Posted by: iEMoTiioNz v1
No-scope HEADSHOT medal
No-scope BODYSHOT medal


Killing someone with the sniper is still sniping them, even if you don't get a headshot. Having two different medals for no scoping would be silly.

  • 11.17.2009 4:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Gig4t3ch
Posted by: iEMoTiioNz v1
No-scope HEADSHOT medal
No-scope BODYSHOT medal


Killing someone with the sniper is still sniping them, even if you don't get a headshot. Having two different medals for no scoping would be silly.


Yes, but as defined by the halo 3 sniping medal, a head shot is a snipe and a body shot isn't. It should be the same way with no-scopes because head shots are more deserving of medals while body shot medals are really unnecessary.

[Edited on 11.17.2009 4:13 PM PST]

  • 11.17.2009 4:13 PM PDT

I voted yes, but after reading some of the posts i changed to no.

This no-scope medal would encourage players to not play seriously. eg. Waste bullets until you get a no scope.

The sniper was made for scoping in, leave it at that.

  • 11.17.2009 4:14 PM PDT

Reach!

LOL, oh you're serious? ROFL


I voted no... Jeez, how about sprint, some thing useful to add to REACH.

[Edited on 11.17.2009 4:18 PM PST]

  • 11.17.2009 4:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: OwnageH1ppo
Finally, many no-scopes are lucky, but you would easily be able to tell the difference between a no-scope pro and a lucky noob by comparing the frequency of their no-scope medals with their kill-to-death ratio and skill level. If they frequently are reckless and always go for the no-scope they'll probably have alot of them, but they'll also have a really bad k/d ratio. On the other hand, someone who is a smart player might go for no-scopes when absolutely necessary to survive will have a good k/d ratio, but won't have to many no-scopes. Then there might be someone who goes for and gets no-scopes consistently. That person would have a good k/d and lots of no-scopes which would mean that they are either really, REALLY lucky or just have skillz.

Regardless of skill, it is still not a reliable tactic. This is why even the better players ALWAYS melee afterward if they are close enough and a majority of the time they zoom in if they can with the scope. They got good doing those kills not from practice but just from figuring it out through game play. No pro would do something that isn't reliable. Most no-scopes are most likely last ditch efforts and hopeful shots, not necessarily a BR head shot you KNOW would kill. That is my point, that a no-scope headshot is not a reliable way to kill.

  • 11.17.2009 4:18 PM PDT

Posted by: LSserk
I voted yes, but after reading some of the posts i changed to no.

This no-scope medal would encourage players to not play seriously. eg. Waste bullets until you get a no scope.

The sniper was made for scoping in, leave it at that.


But if players did that they would consistently lose, get low k/d's, and/or eventually realize that what they are doing is stupid.

  • 11.17.2009 4:19 PM PDT

Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Regardless of skill, it is still not a reliable tactic. This is why even the better players ALWAYS melee afterward if they are close enough and a majority of the time they zoom in if they can with the scope. They got good doing those kills not from practice but just from figuring it out through game play. No pro would do something that isn't reliable. Most no-scopes are most likely last ditch efforts and hopeful shots, not necessarily a BR head shot you KNOW would kill. That is my point, that a no-scope headshot is not a reliable way to kill.


I agree, but MY point is that a no-scope headshot should deserve a medal! That's all I'm asking. I don't care if it isn't reliable. I just want a way to track how many no-scope head shots you got. That's it. I'm not telling you to think a certain way or not. I don't care if you think that no-scopes are really noobish and are only due to luck. You still won't know whether people have alot of no-scopes or not without a way to track them.

[Edited on 11.17.2009 4:24 PM PST]

  • 11.17.2009 4:24 PM PDT

Posted by: OwnageH1ppo
Posted by: LSserk
I voted yes, but after reading some of the posts i changed to no.

This no-scope medal would encourage players to not play seriously. eg. Waste bullets until you get a no scope.

The sniper was made for scoping in, leave it at that.


But if players did that they would consistently lose, get low k/d's, and/or eventually realize that what they are doing is stupid.


How is killing your opponent while scoped in stupid? Explain please

  • 11.17.2009 4:43 PM PDT

Your in Bad Company.

It would be redundent, it'd be a waste of time creating the coding or whatever it would take for the game to sense that it was a no scope, when you can just make it a single headshot medal...you know like how it is now.

  • 11.17.2009 5:31 PM PDT

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