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Subject: Halo: Reach is going to suck.

Before i begin my rant I want all those people that are blind Bungie fan boys to just close this link because you aren't going to contribute anything to this argument besides saying "Your and idiot" or insulting me based on MY opinion.

To begin IL state my opinion on why I think Reach will suck. Again keep in mind I'm just another guy with an opinion, I really didn't like ODST in fact I really was disappointed with it. I think that the Halo enemy formula is getting so boring and just overdone. You can literally guess exactly what the Brute or Grunt is going to do, Hit you in the face/ throw grenades and run away.

My main complaint with Bungie producing another Halo game is that they are milking the franchise. Halo 3 should really have been the end of Halo because by now its just getting boring.

ODST was a cheaply made uninspired knock off of Halo 1 with dated Halo 3 graphics and engine. Halo: Reach is said to have a new engine and graphics, good great, but since Bungie has some sort of fear over letting us know what feature's there will be when the game is released we wont know if they are making a step up. Halo ODST had no evolution when it was priced as a full game, and is Bungie most recent work.

If Reach is any where near as cheaply thrown together and as boring as ODST then it is going to be very very bad. I am going to use Call of Duty as an example for my next argument not that i am a fan boy i am not, in fact i am more of a Halo fan boy then anything.

Call of Duty has 6 games in its series and that's okay, because unlike Halo, COD is making advancements in its game play style and multi player, Halo has remained the same run and gun and boring cycle of Grenade throwing and melee-ing since Halo 2. I mean at least in Halo 1 there was a more variety of the way you could combat enemies. Not to mention the plot was extremely enjoyable.

Tldr: Halo is getting extremely boring and needs to have some major evolution in its game play style and graphical look. Bungie is falling behind because they have stuck with the same series and failed to branch out with their undeniably good talent.


Edit: After Reading alot of what people had to say in response to this I must apologize for having such an angry tone in the first paragraph of my rant.I am not trolling and I am just here to voice an opinion. I am aware of spelling mistakes you don't have to remind me, because it really doesn't matter what snarky comment you think of, I GET IT. Thanks to all who helped make this an interesting debate, lets keep those who are polite and friendly in their response coming.

[Edited on 11.17.2009 3:10 PM PST]

  • 11.17.2009 2:00 PM PDT

your an idiot

  • 11.17.2009 2:02 PM PDT
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You thought you lagged, it took jesus three days to respawn, and even then he commit suicide

dude the games not evenn been shown yet!

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While I did read your post, there is no way you can be certain that the game will suck. Simply, it's because we know nothing about this game.

Please hold your criticism and arguments until we actually have a good idea of what the game will be.

  • 11.17.2009 2:04 PM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

For my gamertag, look up "Ghoulishtie"

Posted by: Bean_88
"Your and idiot"


Why yes, yes you are.

Here is a quick fact for ya: Keep the rants down until we actually KNOW whats in the game first.

  • 11.17.2009 2:04 PM PDT

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If you think COD is better than go and stay with it, Stop complaining in a Forum where people are looking foward to the game.

  • 11.17.2009 2:04 PM PDT

Posted by: Bean_88
Before i begin my rant I want all those people that disagree with me to just close this link because you arent going to contribute anything to this support group of mine where people go around and congratulate me for my opinions besides saying "Your and idiot" or insulting me based on MY opinion.

I fixed your first paragraph. Come back when we have something to discuss other than your opinon.

  • 11.17.2009 2:06 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

I will say several things here.

1. Yes the AI is bad. I completely agree here.

2. COD has been milked much more than Halo, and has been even less inventive. It took them somewhere around 5 games to get to Modern Warfare (dont forget the Big Red 1 and the like), which was the first to actually change the gameplay. Now, they have a refinement on that gameplay with MW2.

Halo 1 had a style, that completely changed with Halo 2, Halo 3 mixed them together and added equipment, and ODST was a Halo 1 shift on Halo 3.

Those are much different than COD 1, 2, 3, and then, finally 4 for a significant improvement.

  • 11.17.2009 2:07 PM PDT

If a Grunt has a sticky stuck to his head, and no one is around to see or hear it, does it still run in circles screaming,"Get it off, Get it off !"?

F1/\/gL3/\/\@$+3r

A.K.A. Queso Man

Call of Duty is the series that has hardly made any advancements.

Halo on the other hand,

Halo 2 - dual-wielding plus new melee system

Halo 3 - equipment, not to mention THEATER AND FORGE unparalleled in any other games

Halo: Reach - jizz in my pants

  • 11.17.2009 2:09 PM PDT

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What?"-Hamelzz

So a group of feminine males are against 4chan and they're on team bieber?, Is that even possi-
Oh wait, this is the internet.-PHILb0y147

Posted by: Bean_88
Tldr: Halo is getting extremely boring and needs to have some major evolution in its gameplay style and graphical look. Bungie is falling behind because they have stuck with the same series and failed to branch out with their undeniably good talent.
All we have is a teaser...I don't think you can accurately judge Reach's gameplay off of that.

  • 11.17.2009 2:10 PM PDT

Armor Lock isn't overpowered. You just suck at Reach :)

Reach isn't bad, you're just a BK :)

For my gamertag, look up "Ghoulishtie"

Posted by: Uncle Kulikov
I will say several things here.

1. Yes the AI is bad. I completely agree here.

2. COD has been milked much more than Halo, and has been even less inventive. It took them somewhere around 5 games to get to Modern Warfare (dont forget the Big Red 1 and the like), which was the first to actually change the gameplay. Now, they have a refinement on that gameplay with MW2.

Halo 1 had a style, that completely changed with Halo 2, Halo 3 mixed them together and added equipment, and ODST was a Halo 1 shift on Halo 3.

Those are much different than COD 1, 2, 3, and then, finally 4 for a significant improvement.


QFT

I say OP needs to go back to his COD and leave us alone.

  • 11.17.2009 2:10 PM PDT

Wait, nevermind, misunderstood Spider thorn.

[Edited on 11.17.2009 2:11 PM PST]

  • 11.17.2009 2:11 PM PDT

I wish I was still legendary.

*picks apart argument*


Posted by: Bean_88


TI think that the Halo enemy formula is getting so boring and just overdone. You can litterally guess exactly what the Brute or Grunt is going to do, Hit you in the face/ throw grenades and run away.

not always. I mean, frankly, how else are they supposed to fight? Oh, and they are VERY different on mythic.

Frankly, you could say the same thing about CoD, except that its enemies are all scripted and aren't dynamic.


My main complaint with Bungie producing another Halo game is that they are milking the franchise. Halo 3 should really have been the end of Halo because by now its just getting boring.

I didn't enjoy H3's campaign, but 5 games is hardly milked.

ODST was a cheaply made un inspired knock off of Halo 1 with dated Halo 3 graphics and engine.

The only similarity to H1 was health and speed. Seriously, if you think retrieving an engineer during the night is the same as exploring a 100,000 year old ring with an alien menace on it, you have problems.

If Reach is any where near as cheaply thrown together and as boring as ODST then it is going to be very very bad.

Considering that ODST was meant to be a 3 hour expansion and was built in less than half a normal development cycle, I thought it was great.

Call of Duty has 6 games in its series and thats okay, because unlike Halo, COD is making advancements in its gameplay style and multiplayer

What, nukes and gunships? That's hardly an advancement, and they didn't even TRY on the PC version.

Tldr: Halo is getting extremely boring and needs to have some major evolution in its gameplay style and graphical look.

How is it fair when saying it'll be crap when it runs on a new engine that you haven't even seen?

Bungie is falling behind because they have stuck with the same series and failed to branch out with their undeniably good talent.

Infinity ward have stuck with CoD for 6 games, and they're hardly evolutionary. The last two have had a very similar storyline, identical gameplay bar different killstreaks and perks, and the concept of 'choose your gun then get pro stopping power to pwn' isn't appealing.

  • 11.17.2009 2:11 PM PDT
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it doese'nt look nextgen , looks good but not nextgen
If by next-gen you mean crappy, dark and colorless, I agree. It doesnt look next-gen at all.

So you are basing your whole argument in the fact that you did not like ODST. That's nice and all, but ODST took 1 year to make and was done as a side product. Halo Reach is the next Halo game and like it or hate it, every Halo game has revolutionized the gaming industry and I expect this one to do the same (looking back at the other 3).


Also, why do you say ODST is Halo:CE with Halo 3 graphics. The only thing ODST and Halo:CE have in common is the Health.


Also, you seem to mention CoD, its System Link sucks and the online multiplayer is hardly customizable.

[Edited on 11.17.2009 2:15 PM PST]

  • 11.17.2009 2:12 PM PDT

More bacon strips!

OP: Halo Reach is going to suck if it's anything like ''COD : whatever the f*** it's called''. I must admit, Halo has some major flaws in it's game design since Halo CE came out. Imo, Halo Reach is going to suck if the game design is anything like Halo CE, 2 and/or 3.

Oh and what the hell were you expecting from a game that was made in less than a year?

[Edited on 11.17.2009 2:14 PM PST]

  • 11.17.2009 2:13 PM PDT

Halo ODST was dissapointing every time a flashback scene ended.
there was no randomness to the enemy positions and the freerome was a lot of unscenic walking with the ocasional scripted enemy. (how many times are those brutes going to put a bomb on the engineer in the same place). I agree with you that far but I read the halo:fall of reach and if the game is anything like that then it will be different and exiting.

P.S firefight was O.K

  • 11.17.2009 2:14 PM PDT

Halo 3: ODST = $30

Posted by: Bean_88
Before i begin my rant I want all those people that are blind Bungie fanboys to just close this link because you arent going to contribute anything to this arguement besides saying "Your and idiot" or insulting me based on MY opinion.

To begin il state my opinion on why I think Reach will suck. Again keep in mind im just another guy with an opinion, I really didnt like ODST in fact I really was dissapointed with it. I think that the Halo enemy formula is getting so boring and just overdone. You can litterally guess exactly what the Brute or Grunt is going to do, Hit you in the face/ throw grenades and run away.

My main complaint with Bungie producing another Halo game is that they are milking the franchise. Halo 3 should really have been the end of Halo because by now its just getting boring.

ODST was a cheaply made un inspired knock off of Halo 1 with dated Halo 3 graphics and engine. Halo: Reach is said to have a new engine and graphics, good great, but since Bungie has some sort of fear over letting us know what feature's there will be when the game is released we wont know if they are making a step up. Halo ODST had no evolution when it was priced as a full game, and is Bungie most recent work.

If Reach is any where near as cheaply thrown together and as boring as ODST then it is going to be very very bad. I am going to use Call of Duty as an example for my next argument not that i am a fanboy i am not, in fact i am more of a Halo fanboy then anything.

Call of Duty has 6 games in its series and thats okay, because unlike Halo, COD is making advancements in its gameplay style and multiplayer, Halo has remained the same run and gun and boring cycle of Grenade throwing and melee-ing since Halo 2. I mean at least in Halo 1 there was a more variety of the way you could combat enemys. Not to mention the plot was extremely enjoyable.

Tldr: Halo is getting extremely boring and needs to have some major evolution in its gameplay style and graphical look. Bungie is falling behind because they have stuck with the same series and failed to branch out with their undeniably good talent.


Halo 3: ODST did suck but don't compare that Halo: Reach. Bungie started Reach as soon as they finished Halo 3. A group of employees (a year ago) decided to make ODST. It was a ONE year product and yes it is not worth $60. But Reach is a full blown 3 year project so it will not suck like ODST.

  • 11.17.2009 2:15 PM PDT

I can't understand how you can criticize a game that has no gameplay footage or screens revealed yet and you have no idea how the gameplay is going to be and what the rendering will be like and how advanced the A.I is. My guess is you'll play the Beta and if you don't like it, don't buy it. How can you come onto the Bungie website and on the Halo Reach forums and blatantly slag off a game with no idea what it's going to be like.

  • 11.17.2009 2:15 PM PDT

No holds bar killing!

You can questimate until your face turns blue, but you're not going to know what a game is like until you actually play it.

  • 11.17.2009 2:16 PM PDT

If Modern Warfare is so diverse and inventive with their multiplayer, then why did they bite off of Bungie. MW2 now has double kills, triple kills, buzz kills (killjoy).....hmmm sound familiar (what will they think of next?). I anticipate a GREAT game with a spectacular multiplayer. You'll buy it, you'll love it, you'll be addicted to it. THEY ALWAYS COME BACK!

  • 11.17.2009 2:18 PM PDT

I am a Halo 3 Failure.

1. You haven't even seen Reach (Because ODST just released)
2. ODST was only made by a small team in a year.
3. Reach has been in production since Halo 3 launched and it has been worked on by everyone (minus that small team since ODST has been in production)

[Edited on 11.17.2009 2:19 PM PST]

  • 11.17.2009 2:18 PM PDT

Posted by: pes velox jjaro
You can questimate until your face turns blue, but you're not going to know what a game is like until you actually play it.


You can look at the improvements added to every game so far and estimate the improvements they made this time.
We have a book for info and other knowlage collected playing the game so we can take an educated guess on the basic jist of the game......yeah.

[Edited on 11.17.2009 2:22 PM PST]

  • 11.17.2009 2:20 PM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

ODST;MYTHIC Screenshot winner! One of the first to get their hands on the mythic map pack.

Well, ODST was completed in and around a year. The original thought out scale of the game was a 4-5 hour campaign expansion. Why was it thought to be this? Well with the small team, and time-span they had, this was realistically possible. Bungie screwed up and told us this was an expansion before they were done the game.

With the small team, and the time they had they over-achieved. They got this thing called firefight in there, the campaign was now expanded to like an 8-10 hour game. Microsoft/Bungie saw this as a full-game, so it deserved a full-price. We already thinking it was an expansion didn't believe it deserved that price. (Not to mention all the extras, like achieving Recon, Halo: Reach Beta, all the multi-player maps, etc) I think it was well worth the money, but a lot of you don't, and that is why you are dissapointed with ODST.

Your opinion of ODST is your opinion of ODST. But what I don't get is why your opinion of ODST is affecting your opinion of Reach.

In my opinion Call of Duty took a step backwards, they usually have a game with decent lovable multi-player, and an awesome story. Modern Warfare 2 has a crappy short story, almost if not as short as ODST's, and the multi-player was improved, which it should be.

I don't know where I am going with this, just a tangent I guess. But your opinion isn't just, you can't base how Halo: Reach will be off of a past game. Especially a past game that had a small team and only a year to be worked on. If ODST was as good as it was, forget the price tag, and it had a small team and a year, how good will Halo: Reach be considering it has a huge team, and 3 years worked on?

  • 11.17.2009 2:24 PM PDT