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Call of Duty has 6 games in its series and that's okay, because unlike Halo, COD is making advancements in its game play style and multi player, Halo has remained the same run and gun and boring cycle of Grenade throwing and melee-ing since Halo 2. I mean at least in Halo 1 there was a more variety of the way you could combat enemies. Not to mention the plot was extremely enjoyable.

Tldr: Halo is getting extremely boring and needs to have some major evolution in its game play style and graphical look. Bungie is falling behind because they have stuck with the same series and failed to branch out with their undeniably good talent.


Edit: After Reading alot of what people had to say in response to this I must apologize for having such an angry tone in the first paragraph of my rant.I am not trolling and I am just here to voice an opinion. I am aware of spelling mistakes you don't have to remind me, because it really doesn't matter what snarky comment you think of, I GET IT. Thanks to all who helped make this an interesting debate, lets keep those who are polite and friendly in their response coming.[/quote]
I agree with this part. bungie does need to drastically improve its gameplay because gernade melee is getting old

  • 11.17.2009 3:13 PM PDT

Than in response to your ever so friendly argument I would like to politely say -blam!- You, and -blam!- off.

Seriously, I don't give a damn what you say so just STFU and don't say anything. If your trying to be impressive stop. Unless you wanna actually contribute something then leave.

Oh and your assumptions on my tone and body language are fail. Your judgement is based off of assumptions on other people and your seeming fear of not being respect so you compensate by insulting people in every area you can.

  • 11.17.2009 3:14 PM PDT
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The Last Fighter

I'm actually going to agree with you here. The Halo Franchise has gone down ever since Halo 3 was made. I enjoyed Halo: CE, Halo 2, and yes I mostly enjoyed Halo 3. The campaign for Halo 3 was not that great though. But Halo: ODST...was probably the biggest let down of a game I have seen in a while. While the campaign was alright, it lasted only 3 and half hours. Firefight had a lot of potential but it just wasn't that fun to me. ODST didn't improve at all in graphics or gameplay. It looked the exact same as Halo 3...with two new weapons...Yuppeeee....not really. Now when Halo Reach comes around I hope to see major improvements and not another Halo: ODST. I'm glad to hear it has a new multiplayer and everything so I assume it will be a good multiplayer game like the past Halos. But if it isn't...Bungie will have let down millions of people...again. So please Bungie, don't screw the pooch on this one. Also I hope they add in new and old extra features of those of Halo 3.

[Edited on 11.17.2009 3:19 PM PST]

  • 11.17.2009 3:14 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Angus Jake328


Call of Duty has 6 games in its series and that's okay, because unlike Halo, COD is making advancements in its game play style and multi player, Halo has remained the same run and gun and boring cycle of Grenade throwing and melee-ing since Halo 2. I mean at least in Halo 1 there was a more variety of the way you could combat enemies. Not to mention the plot was extremely enjoyable.


I lol'd.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

  • 11.17.2009 3:15 PM PDT

Posted by: The Last Fighter
I'm actually going to agree with you here. The Halo Franchise has gone down ever since Halo 3 was made. I enjoyed Halo: CE, Halo 2, and yes I mostly enjoyed Halo 3. The campaign for Halo 3 was not that great though. But Halo: ODST...was probably the biggest let down of a game I have seen in a while. While the campaign was alright, it lasted only 3 and half hours. Firefight had a lot of potential but it just wasn't that fun to me. ODST didn't improve at all in graphics or gameplay. It looked the exact same as Halo 3...with two new weapons...Yuppeeee....not really. Now when Halo Reach comes around I hope to see major improvements and not another Halo: ODST. I'm glad to hear it's a new multiplayer and everything so I assume it will be a good multiplayer game like the past Halos. But if it isn't...Bungie will have let down millions of people...again. So please Bungie, don't screw the pooch on this one.


Agreed

  • 11.17.2009 3:15 PM PDT

Posted by: Bean_88
Before i begin my rant I want all those people that are blind Bungie fan boys to just close this link because you aren't going to contribute anything to this argument besides saying "Your and idiot" or insulting me based on MY opinion.

To begin IL state my opinion on why I think Reach will suck. Again keep in mind I'm just another guy with an opinion, I really didn't like ODST in fact I really was disappointed with it. I think that the Halo enemy formula is getting so boring and just overdone. You can literally guess exactly what the Brute or Grunt is going to do, Hit you in the face/ throw grenades and run away.

My main complaint with Bungie producing another Halo game is that they are milking the franchise. Halo 3 should really have been the end of Halo because by now its just getting boring.

ODST was a cheaply made uninspired knock off of Halo 1 with dated Halo 3 graphics and engine. Halo: Reach is said to have a new engine and graphics, good great, but since Bungie has some sort of fear over letting us know what feature's there will be when the game is released we wont know if they are making a step up. Halo ODST had no evolution when it was priced as a full game, and is Bungie most recent work.

If Reach is any where near as cheaply thrown together and as boring as ODST then it is going to be very very bad. I am going to use Call of Duty as an example for my next argument not that i am a fan boy i am not, in fact i am more of a Halo fan boy then anything.

Call of Duty has 6 games in its series and that's okay, because unlike Halo, COD is making advancements in its game play style and multi player, Halo has remained the same run and gun and boring cycle of Grenade throwing and melee-ing since Halo 2. I mean at least in Halo 1 there was a more variety of the way you could combat enemies. Not to mention the plot was extremely enjoyable.

Tldr: Halo is getting extremely boring and needs to have some major evolution in its game play style and graphical look. Bungie is falling behind because they have stuck with the same series and failed to branch out with their undeniably good talent.


Edit: After Reading alot of what people had to say in response to this I must apologize for having such an angry tone in the first paragraph of my rant.I am not trolling and I am just here to voice an opinion. I am aware of spelling mistakes you don't have to remind me, because it really doesn't matter what snarky comment you think of, I GET IT. Thanks to all who helped make this an interesting debate, lets keep those who are polite and friendly in their response coming.

Yeah, you are an idiot, but not beacuse your opinion, it is because you had it before knowing anything about the game. Tell me, how do you know it will suck if bungie hasn´t released any information. Yes I know that the AI sucks, but equally in most of the games. And for the record, CoD has been milked more than halo, but I still like it (not so much as halo).

  • 11.17.2009 3:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Angus Jake328


Call of Duty has 6 games in its series and that's okay, because unlike Halo, COD is making advancements in its game play style and multi player, Halo has remained the same run and gun and boring cycle of Grenade throwing and melee-ing since Halo 2. I mean at least in Halo 1 there was a more variety of the way you could combat enemies. Not to mention the plot was extremely enjoyable.


I lol'd.

You have no idea what you're talking about.


Oh and you do?

  • 11.17.2009 3:16 PM PDT

¡We can't hold the troll everyone inside the ONI Building now!

  • 11.17.2009 3:19 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Bean_88
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Angus Jake328


Call of Duty has 6 games in its series and that's okay, because unlike Halo, COD is making advancements in its game play style and multi player, Halo has remained the same run and gun and boring cycle of Grenade throwing and melee-ing since Halo 2. I mean at least in Halo 1 there was a more variety of the way you could combat enemies. Not to mention the plot was extremely enjoyable.


I lol'd.

You have no idea what you're talking about.


Oh and you do?


Yes. Infact, I guarantee I know more about gaming and the halo universe than you do. But then again, your response to this would likely be, "LOL UR A NURD!"

Regardless, this entire thread is likely a troll, as your entire perception of ODST was wrong, giving you a flawed look on the rest of the series.

But here's an example for you.

CoD3 sucked ass. If you said, "CoD4 will suck because CoD3 sucked, then you would of been dead wrong, because CoD4 was arguably the best in the series. It was a massive, MASSIVE, improvement over CoD3.

  • 11.17.2009 3:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Cold Blood 80
¡We can't hold the troll everyone inside the ONI Building now!


You have said that twice now, and it wasn't funny either time, STFU and go back to looking through Halopedia and thinking of intelligent ways to tie in Halo fiction into serious discussions in a scatter brained attempt to be funny.

  • 11.17.2009 3:20 PM PDT

¿When did I say that twice? at least put some attention on who's posting the comment before your rambling troll, otherwise just shut up and get a life, peace =)

  • 11.17.2009 3:23 PM PDT

Ugh...

First on a BWU.. yeah, I'm cool.

ODST;MYTHIC Screenshot winner! One of the first to get their hands on the mythic map pack.

Everyone, Original poster, and everyone going off saying Call of Duty sucks, or your grammar is wrong, you spelt this wrong, your dumb, I'm better then you, anyone who isn't trying to change his mind with facts, either start doing so, or (can't believe I'm about to say this) GTFO.

The original poster posted his opinion, and listed reasons why that was his opinion. GREAT. We should try and change his opinion by explaining why his reasons are flawed. I have done so, and a couple other members have done so.

But when it goes off into;

"You are a troll!"
"No, shut up, you are a troll!"
"Exactally what a troll would say"
"Your stupid! Shut up!"
"Such a troll!"
Etcetera.

Well then this thread is pointless, and you should all STFU, and GTFO. Either respond intelligently, with intent to change the Original poster's mind/opinion, or just leave.

  • 11.17.2009 3:31 PM PDT

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Um, yeah, Call of Duty: World at War sucked, and yet Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 didn't suck. Utilizing a slippery slope argument to justify why you think Halo Reach is going to suck isn't exactly something you would want to use here, not to mention that MW2 had a shorter campaign than ODST and didn't really change much of anything (Unless you want to talk about the PC version, which got seriously crippled with lack of dedicated server support and no lean). Also, Call of Duty has had more than 6 games.

Call of Duty
Call of Duty 2
Call of Duty 3
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
Call of Duty: World at War
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
Call of Duty: United Offensive
Call of Duty: Finest Hour
Call of Duty 2: Big Red One
Call of Duty: Roads to Victory
Call of Duty: World at War: Final Fronts
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare: Mobilized

Halo, being milked? Compared to CoD, I'd say no.

  • 11.17.2009 3:33 PM PDT

OK Bean let's have an intelligent debate.
firstly, you get yelling at people who disagree with you, mainly those who chose to do so in very troll like ways, by swearing at them not a good idea to have in an intelligent debate.

OK, Now to the your mini rant.
Halo ODST had a development cycle less then that of half of most games, was stated when it was started wasn't meant to be a full and that it used the same engine as Halo 3. What I expected from it was delivered, it just sucked it was $60. And I don't see how it can be used as the basic argument of why Reach will suck.

Next, If Bungie is milking the Halo franchise by making its 4th game when not one of the games has been given below an average, score, and to my knowledge never received anything but great reviews for Halo 1-3 and good reviews for ODST. Look at Square Enix 13 FF games and still going strongs, Activision and Ifinity Ward have put out how many COD duties, most of them also receiving great reviews. Just because you have mulitple iterations of something doesn't mean your milking it. [sarcasm] I mean come on, those beatles had so many songs they should have done some book writing or run for politcal office just so they don't milk this whole music deal[sarcasm]

While I can share your concern that Reach does need some great improvements over it predecessors for it not to dissapoint. I see no reason why we shouldn't see at least a few improvements.

And to add one post script that has always bothered me. Halo 3 story line was not as good as Halo CE and 2's, but what seems majority decision. Part of this was because it was used to end the major plot line. Look at most good series and very often the last installment has a weaker plot line because it must wrap up all the loose ends.

  • 11.17.2009 3:33 PM PDT

In response to the OP,

You must understand ODST was made on a one year time scale and pretty much was the same graphical design as Halo 3. Also please understand that all of Bungie's major titles have been 3 year development games. So, i think all of your arguments about Reach are just stemming from your dislike of ODST, which was not supposed to bring anything new to the table, graphics and engine wise. I urge you, please hold your opinion until some gameplay is shown then i will gladly here your arguments and try to change your opinion. =)

  • 11.17.2009 3:41 PM PDT
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Its safe to say that Reach is going to become the greatest game ever on the 360. But will it beat Modern Warfare 2?

Even Halo 3's value is better than COD's "I see you first so I automatically killz you." But Reach's popularity will thrive from long-time fans of the series, and will completely depend on how Bungie advertises it.

I play Halo because I forge, play customs and do gamebattles. I hated the previous CODs and started to play because of MW2's recent release. When all your real-life friends are playing a game, your going to join in. Simple as that.

So if they have TV comercials for Reach, magazine advertisments, and other things promoting the game, its safe to say that Reach will be everlasting: like Halo 2 seemeed to be.

  • 11.17.2009 3:48 PM PDT

It absolutely wont suck

Bungie's knack these days however is in delivering brilliant yet underealised Halo games.Each sequel to Halo1 has been excellent but also quite naff in crucial areas

They are the masters of the fps design in my opinion but they don't quite understand their own product

If Bungie doesn't truly deliver this time then i predict some fans will just stop caring quite as much or believing in fact that the Halo name will ever again by synominous with all out greatness

Not getting my hopes up too much on this one but secretly preying it's Bungie's best

If we're talking about MP then sure it will be the best thing out there, and although the potential is certainly there for an incredible long campaign experience, it sure isn't as guaranteed

[Edited on 11.17.2009 3:58 PM PST]

  • 11.17.2009 3:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Angus Jake328


Call of Duty has 6 games in its series and that's okay, because unlike Halo, COD is making advancements in its game play style and multi player, Halo has remained the same run and gun and boring cycle of Grenade throwing and melee-ing since Halo 2. I mean at least in Halo 1 there was a more variety of the way you could combat enemies. Not to mention the plot was extremely enjoyable.

Tldr: Halo is getting extremely boring and needs to have some major evolution in its game play style and graphical look. Bungie is falling behind because they have stuck with the same series and failed to branch out with their undeniably good talent.


Edit: After Reading alot of what people had to say in response to this I must apologize for having such an angry tone in the first paragraph of my rant.I am not trolling and I am just here to voice an opinion. I am aware of spelling mistakes you don't have to remind me, because it really doesn't matter what snarky comment you think of, I GET IT. Thanks to all who helped make this an interesting debate, lets keep those who are polite and friendly in their response coming.[/quote]
I agree with this part. bungie does need to drastically improve its gameplay because gernade melee is getting old

What i meant was that I agree that bungie needs to change Halo's gameplay because Gernade Melee Br is getting boring to me

  • 11.17.2009 3:54 PM PDT

You do know that the A.I. in Call of Duty 1-4 were entirely scripted with respawning enemies in different cover spots, and being stuck to those cover spots. Or scripted sequences where they always rush you in the exact same spot every time. They rush you every time in that exact same spot.

I felt equipment was a far more modest evolution than giving people a nuclear arsenal they can get after planting a few mines by some corners, and killing some people sniping from a roof the player shouldn't be able to climb on. The only reason Call of Duty is fun still is due to the fact that people put up with the same crud all the way up to Call of Duty 4.

I still think the game will suck in the minds of the fans. There is no way they can even please Halo fans anymore other than some balance changes. Either it will change too much, or too little.

[Edited on 11.17.2009 4:02 PM PST]

  • 11.17.2009 4:00 PM PDT
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yes it will blow

  • 11.17.2009 4:01 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Bear Was Here
yes it will blow


Obvious troll is obvious.

  • 11.17.2009 4:02 PM PDT

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
"Team shoot the wraith!"
"What's a team shoot and what's a wraith?!"
"It means we all shoot at the big blue thing together!"
"Okay!"
*starts betraying blue teammate*

OP
LISTEN TO ME
You're not an idiot, but you're horribly mistaken on your comparisons.
You can't compared Reach to ODST, which is the basis of your argument.
ODST was a one year add-on to Halo 3 that turned into a game because of Microsucksballs.
Reach is a 3 year game that is hopefully going to be a whole advancement.
If you think Halo hasn't advanced, you are drunk or something.
Notice how many things you can do in Halo? THe possibilities are near limitless. If you limit your H3 fun to Matchmaking, you should broaden your horizons and see what Bungie has given to us.
If you think Grenade Shoot Melee is not enough, go look at CoD.
Shoot grenade knife ever here and there.
To me, CoD is more one dimensional than Halo, and it's only advantae is effective weapon balance.
Basically, don't make assumptions, yet. Not until we have some solid info.

  • 11.17.2009 4:03 PM PDT

just because halo 3 odst sucked, that does not mean that halo reach will suck

  • 11.17.2009 4:06 PM PDT
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I agree, bungie really needs to redeem themselves after ODST.

Eventho they planned on it only being an expansion and not a full game.

  • 11.17.2009 4:08 PM PDT