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Subject: The AR sound

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If you want a quick and very obvious example of the sound quality drop off from Halo CE on, Put in your Halo CE disc(Please, tell me you kept it). Listen to the Bungie logo music. The drums sound great. Everything about it sounds clear and distinct. Its as good as the original "THX" sound.

Now put in your Halo 2 disc. It sounds dead. On top of the flat EQ sound, someone added some 80's guitar riff over it. (less is more!)

If you have a sound system the difference will stick out like a sore thumb.

  • 11.22.2009 9:29 AM PDT

I think that Bungie should get some guns that fire the same round as the Halo weapons (AR fires the AK-47s round) and record those weapons firing from different distances.

  • 11.22.2009 10:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
I think that Bungie should get some guns that fire the same round as the Halo weapons (AR fires the AK-47s round) and record those weapons firing from different distances.


Any real gun would do the trick. Halo weapons can come across as "cartoony".

  • 11.22.2009 10:29 AM PDT

Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
I think that Bungie should get some guns that fire the same round as the Halo weapons (AR fires the AK-47s round) and record those weapons firing from different distances.


They should, but the AK fires the 7.62 x 39mm Russian, while the AR fires the 7.62 x 51mm NATO. One is significantly larger than the other. If they wanted an accurate representation, they'd probably be better off firing a Heckler & Koch G3 or an FN FAL.

[Edited on 11.22.2009 10:36 AM PST]

  • 11.22.2009 10:35 AM PDT

That is true. But they would have to record multiple times with the weapon emptying a magazine in full-auto.

This would be to make the sound less monotone, so it sounds a little different each time.

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
I think that Bungie should get some guns that fire the same round as the Halo weapons (AR fires the AK-47s round) and record those weapons firing from different distances.


They should, but the AK fires the 7.62 x 39mm Russian, while the AR fires the 7.62 x 51mm NATO. One is significantly larger than the other. If they wanted an accurate representation, they'd probably be better off firing a Heckler & Koch G3 or an FN FAL.

  • 11.22.2009 10:37 AM PDT

I also think that maybe it's not just about the sound. It's about recoil too. I find it kind of awkward that a 5 x 23mm SMG can have more recoil on a Spartan than a 7.62 x 51mm assault rifle. You can have the best sound in the world, but if there's no physical effect to shot for it, it will still seem weak.

  • 11.22.2009 10:53 AM PDT

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Does Bungie use a mic for any sound effects? They all sound like synthesizer sound effects to me. Maybe that is why so many Halo effects sound a little phony.

  • 11.22.2009 10:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: TokiWartooth117
I also think that maybe it's not just about the sound. It's about recoil too. I find it kind of awkward that a 5 x 23mm SMG can have more recoil on a Spartan than a 7.62 x 51mm assault rifle. You can have the best sound in the world, but if there's no physical effect to shot for it, it will still seem weak.


One shot fired in CoD with little to no recoil feels much better because of the sound.

It almost like nobody at Bungie understands the effects of altering frequencies. That can add the much needed "pop" Halo games lack.

[Edited on 11.22.2009 11:02 AM PST]

  • 11.22.2009 10:59 AM PDT

I forgot how awesome the AR sounded in CE. Bungie should bring it back.

  • 11.22.2009 11:07 AM PDT
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Posted by: Chupanebre627
Who the friggen' hell thinks that's what a gun sounds like?


remember this is way into the future when we have supersoldiers in suits running around with sardonic AIs in their head talking to them. I think the gun might be possible

  • 11.22.2009 11:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: funkbrotha10
Posted by: Chupanebre627
Who the friggen' hell thinks that's what a gun sounds like?


remember this is way into the future when we have supersoldiers in suits running around with sardonic AIs in their head talking to them. I think the gun might be possible


Yeah, Halo isn't going after realism. Some of the guns are based in reality though. They don't sound as good as they could.

  • 11.22.2009 11:43 AM PDT

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IMO if you compare the H3 AR sound and the ODST AR sound, there is little difference, but it makes it sound much better. Just sounds a tad more powerful.

[Edited on 11.22.2009 11:46 AM PST]

  • 11.22.2009 11:46 AM PDT

Were it so easy.

What, are you kidding me?
A camcorder video was the best you could find?

Here I found a video 10x better in 3 seconds.

[Edited on 11.22.2009 12:16 PM PST]

  • 11.22.2009 12:16 PM PDT

Here’s what Luke had to say about the differences in treatment between the Spartans and Elites in Reach:

“Instead of piece-by-piece customization like the Spartans, Elite customization is a full model swap with models selected from the various Elite classes appearing throughout the Campaign. There are all kinds of reasons for this, not the least of which is our continued emphasis on the Spartan as your identity in Reach.”

Posted by: Phynkesius
The AR was weaker in Halo 3, so they probably thought it should also sound weaker.
The Halo 3 AR is more powerful than the CE AR...

But I want this gun sound for the AR.

[Edited on 11.22.2009 12:22 PM PST]

  • 11.22.2009 12:19 PM PDT

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The one in Halo CE sounded like pin balls. Trust me, I've probably handled it a lot more than you. If anything, make this gun sound like it did in ODST, that had a little more bang.

  • 11.22.2009 12:20 PM PDT

Winning or losing doesn't really matter much to me. I play for fun, and nothing you can say will change that. Sure, I have a low K/D, sure, I have a low rank in Halo 3, but I really don't care. It's not like it actually means anything. It's a number. And for the record, opinion and fact are two completely different things.

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Posted by: Chupanebre627
Who the friggen' hell thinks that's what a gun sounds like?


remember this is way into the future when we have supersoldiers in suits running around with sardonic AIs in their head talking to them. I think the gun might be possible


Yeah, Halo isn't going after realism. Some of the guns are based in reality though. They don't sound as good as they could.
Ok. We got it. You don't like the sounds in Halo. You've said it in every single post in this thread, and it's incredibly annoying. If all you're going to do is bash Halo's sounds and insult Marty then go away.

I like the sounds in Halo, always have. Personally I prefer the H3 Assault Rifle sound. Though I do seem to be in the minority.

  • 11.22.2009 1:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: Chupanebre627
Halo 3 AR sucks ass.

That's the end of the thread people, go home. Show's over. Circus has left. New President's been elected.

Go away.

But in all seriousness, who the freakin' hell approved the AR to sound like that? Who in their right mind would let that pass cuts?

Who the friggen' hell thinks that's what a gun sounds like?

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  • 11.22.2009 1:17 PM PDT

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The ODST AR actually sounds badass.

I can barely hear the H3 AR under all the BR brrt!'s and the Plasma explosions.

[Edited on 11.22.2009 1:25 PM PST]

  • 11.22.2009 1:25 PM PDT

i want the AR to sound like this. WAKKA WAKKA WAKKA WAKKA WAKKA WAKKA WAKKA WAKKA

  • 11.22.2009 1:29 PM PDT

poop

Posted by: Dither100
I forgot how awesome the AR sounded in CE. Bungie should bring it back.

agreed

  • 11.22.2009 2:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: Chupanebre627
Who the friggen' hell thinks that's what a gun sounds like?


remember this is way into the future when we have supersoldiers in suits running around with sardonic AIs in their head talking to them. I think the gun might be possible


Yeah, Halo isn't going after realism. Some of the guns are based in reality though. They don't sound as good as they could.
Ok. We got it. You don't like the sounds in Halo. You've said it in every single post in this thread, and it's incredibly annoying. If all you're going to do is bash Halo's sounds and insult Marty then go away.

I like the sounds in Halo, always have. Personally I prefer the H3 Assault Rifle sound. Though I do seem to be in the minority.


If we all agreed it would be a pretty boring place.

I'm very sorry that my opinion annoys you. However, I will continue to post in this thread. If it bothers enough, maybe you shouldn't read it. Sorry.

  • 11.22.2009 2:29 PM PDT

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